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http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/3/workers-of-the-financeworlduniteandunionize.html

“The three women (tellers) I work with all receive public assistance,” Filson said. “I was shocked. (The head teller) shows up for work on time, she has a great personality, she works hard. (With welfare), you have the image of someone lazy collecting a check, so for me, that was eye opening.”


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NEW YORK — Adjacent to its lofty, glass-faced midtown headquarters, Bank of America operates a humble retail location for individuals and small businesses. The branch serves many customers who work in the Bank of America Tower —secretaries and tech support, analysts and executives. One such patron, a former investment banker raised by struggling immigrants but schooled in the Ivy League, recalled the disconnect between his sky-high office and the retail branch. “I wondered if they feel inferior,” he said of the bank tellers, who likely earned a fifth of his salary.

While employed by the same entity, retail bank workers are worlds apart from those in corporate or high finance. Yet for giant universal banks like Bank of America and Citibank, comprising retail, commercial and investment banking divisions — a model made possible by the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 — the branch locations are a critical point of contact with ordinary Americans. And according to a new advocacy campaign, the underpaid workers in these branches may be the key to a more accountable banking system.

Today, kicking off a week of protests against big banks, the New Day New York Coalition released a report documenting historic levels of inequality in Wall Street’s hometown. The paper reveals that the top 1 percent of income earners take home 40 percent of New York’s total income and that the city’s financial sector was responsible for approximately 45 percent of job losses (affecting some 26,000 workers) in the first half of this year. While bank CEOs receive handsome compensation — JPMorgan Chase’s Jamie Dimon made $21 million in 2012 — 39 percent of bank tellers in New York State had to rely on public assistance to stay afloat.

Low pay, professional veneer

Ryan Filson, a 38-year-old assistant branch manager in New York, started out as a bank teller when he was 18. (He asked that his real name not be used.) “The money I made back then is the same that they’re paying tellers now to start: $10! And the workload is so different. Tellers have a harder job today than I ever saw,” he said, referring to time-intensive verification procedures for checks and deposits.

In 2010 the national median salary for tellers was $24,100, or just over $11 per hour. But tellers and other retail staff are often required to purchase suits and look the part of professional workers. They also face pressure to meet stringent quotas for referrals and sales of checking and savings accounts, credit cards, loans and mortgages while cultivating relationships with their customers.

“The three women (tellers) I work with all receive public assistance,” Filson said. “I was shocked. (The head teller) shows up for work on time, she has a great personality, she works hard. (With welfare), you have the image of someone lazy collecting a check, so for me, that was eye opening.”

On the corporate side, back-office personnel are paid meager hourly wages, are routinely outsourced and subcontracted and are segregated from analysts and investment bankers in the same company. Large banks often treat support departments as a drain on resources rather than a crucial part of the business.

According to subcontracted back-office workers at a prominent New York bank, clerical, security and technology staff are paid $12 per hour, though their predecessors — direct employees of the corporation before a massive restructuring — were paid $16 to $20 per hour. In the third quarter of this year, the same bank reported earnings of nearly $1 billion. (Those interviewed asked that neither they nor their employer be identified.)

The money I made back then is the same that they’re paying tellers now to start: $10!
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Bank workers also cite job security and whistle-blower protections as pressing concerns. Twice in the recent past, Filson was subject to what he sees as retaliation for reporting suspicious transactions under the Bank Secrecy Act, a law meant to combat money laundering. The first time, his superiors transferred him to a different branch; the second time, his complaint was circulated widely.

“It made me think that during the mortgage crisis, there were probably people who saw things that didn’t seem quite right,” Filson said. “But even if they complained, it probably wouldn’t have gone anywhere.”

Representatives of Wells Fargo and Bank of America would not respond to specific questions, and JPMorgan Chase and the American Bankers Association were unavailable for comment. But Bank of America spokeswoman Tara A. Burke told Al Jazeera in an email, “We work with each employee to support their career development and offer competitive compensation and benefits for employees. We also value their feedback and opinions and routinely create opportunities for ongoing dialogue.” Burke would neither confirm nor deny that entry-level tellers are paid $10 per hour, a rate advertised in the Wall Street Oasis Company Database.

A trade union for bankers?

In countries such as South Africa, Australia and Argentina, employees of banks and insurance companies have pursued better pay and conditions through trade unions. The idea has floated around U.S. activist circles in recent years as well and may now be gaining real traction.

The Brazilian union CUT (Unified Workers’ Central) has provided seed money for organizing efforts in New York City, Miami and Orlando, home to Banco do Brasil branches and call centers. (Brazilian unions have also supported American automotive workers.) CUT president Vagner Freitas explained this transnational strategy at a union convention in September, saying, “We don’t have the bank workers in the U.S. organized, so we can’t organize workers around the world. A lot of them are in the U.S., and they have a great role to play.”

The Committee for Better Banks, which includes the Communication Workers of America union and the nonprofit Alliance for a Greater New York, has started reaching out to bank employees in the New York City area. By organizing a critical mass of retail and back-office workers, the campaign hopes to improve sector conditions and put people’s faces behind calls for accountability.

A finance-workers’ union could force employers to pay higher wages, empower tellers to refuse to sell high-interest credit cards and protect accountants who blow the whistle on creative bookkeeping — without fear of retaliation. The collective-bargaining process, moreover, would require banks to open their books to the union.

More than 500,000 employees in financial services worldwide have lost their jobs since 2008.
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“We want to create a (banking) system that’s sustainable in the long term. We need to have an actor that can make an intervention in society, and trade unions are an important actor to do that,” said Marcio Monzane, a former bank teller who now heads UNI Finance, a Brussels-based international union with 237 finance- and insurance-sector affiliates representing 3 million workers. UNI estimates that more than 500,000 employees in financial services worldwide have lost their jobs since 2008.

Despite the apparent message of recent settlements in the U.S. — $13 billion to be paid by JPMorgan Chase and $404 million by Bank of America — the big banks have, by and large, denied legal responsibility for the ongoing financial crisis. And a recent report on the finance sector by the Economist Intelligence Unit found that executives continue to prioritize profits and “career progression” over reputation and “adherence to ethical standards.”

Organizers behind the New York City effort are sober about the challenges ahead. “We want the campaign to develop further before commenting,” a representative of the Communication Workers of America wrote in an email.

Retail workers, investment bankers, hedge-fund analysts and Wall Street activists interviewed for this story were skeptical about the viability and direct impact of a finance union on industry practices. But many acknowledged the campaign’s political potential — its ability to rally the American public behind low-wage bank workers, as with janitors, security guards and now fast-food and Walmart employees.

Part of the difficulty in holding Wall Street accountable, experts say, is the scale and complexity of the global financial machine. By keeping the focus on low-wage bank workers, organizers aim to cut this machine down to size.

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 notprop wrote:
If the answer to banks is Unions I'll pass thanks.


That's missing the point, but hitting another. Best financial institution I've ever dealt with was the Desjardins credit union. Getting paid for banking is rather nice, even if it's small amounts.

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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/3/workers-of-the-financeworlduniteandunionize.html

“The three women (tellers) I work with all receive public assistance,” Filson said. “I was shocked. (The head teller) shows up for work on time, she has a great personality, she works hard. (With welfare), you have the image of someone lazy collecting a check, so for me, that was eye opening.”


It is sad that so much of the populace thinks this way. This person is most certainly NOT in the minority who thinks that everyone one public assistance programs. IIRC the stats, something like 80%+ are actually employed full time, but not earning enough for basic necessities.

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 notprop wrote:
If the answer to banks is Unions I'll pass thanks.


That's missing the point, but hitting another. Best financial institution I've ever dealt with was the Desjardins credit union. Getting paid for banking is rather nice, even if it's small amounts.

This. So much this. I will never give up my Credit Union.
   
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 streamdragon wrote:

This. So much this. I will never give up my Credit Union.


My Credit Union went under because too many of the members were deadbeats and defaulted on their loans. They had to merge with another credit union to stay functional, and in doing so they basically asked all the members to pay fees to cover the 'debt' for the merger and expected people to pay more money based upon what they had there.

I pulled every dime I had out of that place before the merger and saved thousands of dollars in bailout fees for worthless deadbeats. I now have a community bank who is solvent and I don't have to worry about losing my money.

I have no respect for any of them. Replace them all with robots and computers. I don't think people should make money doing a job which is obsolete. I haven't needed a teller in 10 years.

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This. So much this. I will never give up my Credit Union.


My Credit Union went under because too many of the members were deadbeats and defaulted on their loans. They had to merge with another credit union to stay functional, and in doing so they basically asked all the members to pay fees to cover the 'debt' for the merger and expected people to pay more money based upon what they had there.

I pulled every dime I had out of that place before the merger and saved thousands of dollars in bailout fees for worthless deadbeats. I now have a community bank who is solvent and I don't have to worry about losing my money.

I have no respect for any of them. Replace them all with robots and computers. I don't think people should make money doing a job which is obsolete. I haven't needed a teller in 10 years.

I bank with Pentagon Federal Credit Union. #2 CU, right behind Navy Federal Credit Union (okay, not right behind as NFCU is like 10 million more members or something crazy). You describe your CU going under like a bank has never ever done the same thing, or expected other members to cover for deadbeats. You don't really think a bank is going to take a loss on a deadbeat do you?

As for "no respect for any of them", at first I thought you meant Credit Unions, but context tells me you mean bank tellers. In which case, that's pretty pathetic. "I don't need em so ef em" is ridiculous. Some people prefer to deal with a teller, or have actual questions they want to ask. And pretty soon every job will be able to be done by a robot, so your "obsolete job" criteria is just plain stupid.
   
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nkelsch wrote:
I have no respect for any of them. Replace them all with robots and computers. I don't think people should make money doing a job which is obsolete. I haven't needed a teller in 10 years.


While I do agree that obsolete jobs should not be kept in place just for the sake of it, bank teller isn't one of them. Financial institutions should always have front line customer service representatives in place, and that's what bank tellers are. Just like any other customer service rep, you don't want to have to call them. But that one pay day where your employer's bank gets a bug on it's transfer system, and all receiving account gets frozen, you're happy to have a teller to make your funds available again.

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Or, when you need to make a cash deposit, yeah the ATM can do it, but do you want to? What if it eats you money like a Vending machine from a bad hotel?

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Or, when you need to make a cash deposit, yeah the ATM can do it, but do you want to? What if it eats you money like a Vending machine from a bad hotel?


Seriously? Come on now.

 
   
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What? When you make a deposit at a teller the money is available right away?

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I have no respect for any of them. Replace them all with robots and computers. I don't think people should make money doing a job which is obsolete. I haven't needed a teller in 10 years.


Mmm open an account and get a toaster, from a toaster.

I worked as a bank teller. It was the only time I really liked working with people.
The rumors that after work we all wallow in a pile of cash and coins while drinking cheap beer and making little bankers is...accurate.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Or, when you need to make a cash deposit, yeah the ATM can do it, but do you want to? What if it eats you money like a Vending machine from a bad hotel?


Seriously? Come on now.


I've seen ATMs catch fire. I'd never ever ever put anything into an ATM.

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 cincydooley wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Or, when you need to make a cash deposit, yeah the ATM can do it, but do you want to? What if it eats you money like a Vending machine from a bad hotel?


Seriously? Come on now.


If you own a small business that does a decent amount of cash transactions, you kinda have to use a teller. Unless you want to deposit your wad of cash across like 25 of those little ATM envelopes.




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 Frazzled wrote:
I worked as a bank teller. It was the only time I really liked working with people.
The rumors that after work we all wallow in a pile of cash and coins while drinking cheap beer and making little bankers is...accurate.


Sweet. So that's where those funny stains on bills come from.


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I have no respect for any of them. Replace them all with robots and computers. I don't think people should make money doing a job which is obsolete. I haven't needed a teller in 10 years.


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My Credit union was 'small'. It was a teachers credit union for our county. They had limited services. The issue I had was they ran it like a charity, not a non-profit.

I have excellent credit, tens of thousands of dollars in their account and they wouldn't refi my house or give me a car loan because: "I didn't need their help". I have been with them since I was 8 years old close to 25 years, and it wasn't that I was a financial risk, but "I didn't need their help". In turn, they gave loans to people who couldn't pay it back. They made poor decisions about what to do with MY money.

I distrust the tellers and have a distrust for credit unions who don't look out for protecting people's money the way a for-profit institution would. There was a lot of evidence of corruption and incompetence and the credit union went under and was taken over by a larger one. Maybe if it was a national credit union where such actions had oversight, but I was very disappointed in the 'human' aspect of banking making bad decisions.

And if they wanted to, they could build bank industrial indoor ATMs which did all the 'interaction' work with just one person working supporting the teller machines opposed to having 6 tellers doing nothing all day and then dealing with the rush of deadbeats who basically go to the window and complain why they have no money and then tie up the line. They know they have no money, do they think that making a scene every time will get the bank to give them a pitty 20$ bill?

Cashiers in general have no need to exist. They have done a good job doing away with the need for them at fast food and movies. If they wanted to, they could streamline the entire thing. They would still need people to manage and support the technology, but it would be better than what we have right now.

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If you had that much it should have been in investments, not a bank/credit union.

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 Ahtman wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
tens of thousands of dollars in their account


If you had that much it should have been in investments, not a bank/credit union.


Needed to keep my money liquid at the time because I was buying a new house. No time for CDs and I didn't want to use their money market because the rates were terrible and the fees were unfair.

I have since moved to another bank and invested said money... The issue was, I had plenty of equity and collateral, and as a member, they should have given me what I want because I was a member in good standing, and was NO RISK. They were making financial decisions with "MY MONEY" like a charity, not like a non-profit. Giving loans and money to those who 'needed' it and not necessarily what was int he best interest of the credit union members and what was not a risk to lend to. Being non-profit doesn't mean you piss away money unwisley.

At least with my bank, they are solvent, that is disclosed at all times and the bank can do what it wants with its money in the form of profits. I don't have to worry about losing thousands of dollars in 'fees' to make up the losses of the bank. basically confiscating my money to cover other members who have none.

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 streamdragon wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
 streamdragon wrote:

This. So much this. I will never give up my Credit Union.


My Credit Union went under because too many of the members were deadbeats and defaulted on their loans. They had to merge with another credit union to stay functional, and in doing so they basically asked all the members to pay fees to cover the 'debt' for the merger and expected people to pay more money based upon what they had there.

I pulled every dime I had out of that place before the merger and saved thousands of dollars in bailout fees for worthless deadbeats. I now have a community bank who is solvent and I don't have to worry about losing my money.

I have no respect for any of them. Replace them all with robots and computers. I don't think people should make money doing a job which is obsolete. I haven't needed a teller in 10 years.

I bank with Pentagon Federal Credit Union. #2 CU, right behind Navy Federal Credit Union (okay, not right behind as NFCU is like 10 million more members or something crazy). You describe your CU going under like a bank has never ever done the same thing, or expected other members to cover for deadbeats. You don't really think a bank is going to take a loss on a deadbeat do you?

As for "no respect for any of them", at first I thought you meant Credit Unions, but context tells me you mean bank tellers. In which case, that's pretty pathetic. "I don't need em so ef em" is ridiculous. Some people prefer to deal with a teller, or have actual questions they want to ask. And pretty soon every job will be able to be done by a robot, so your "obsolete job" criteria is just plain stupid.


I bank with NFCU and do all my loans and insurance through USAA. gak is cash. Literally a lot of times. The way NFCU still manages to have incredible customer service with so many members secures my business. Especially after Chase tried to rob me blind.

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How is USAA, my friend says it is mostly military, but they are branching out to civvies aswell. HE said the insurance was great and wou be cheaper then geico when i have a clean record.

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As far as I know USAA is military and their families only. No complaints with them though, they take damn good care of me.

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Huh, my friend said they where branching out to civilians with some services.

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Check their website man, I don't work there so hell if I know.

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Google says banking is open to non-military but everything else is strictly military.

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Their banking is top notch though, so you wouldn't regret moving over.

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I was wondering if the pendulum would ever swing back towards Unions again?

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 Easy E wrote:
I was wondering if the pendulum would ever swing back towards Unions again?


Why would it?

Unions were (rightly) created to protect a wholly uneducated population consisting of tons of immigrants from hugely unregulated industries.

None of those things are really the case anymore, are they?

 
   
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Yes, because the goverment regularly regulates things these days.

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 Easy E wrote:
I was wondering if the pendulum would ever swing back towards Unions again?


Why would it?

Unions were (rightly) created to protect a wholly uneducated population consisting of tons of immigrants from hugely unregulated industries.

None of those things are really the case anymore, are they?


Well-apparently these workers felt like they needed it for some reason, so there must be reasons people see out there.

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