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Everett, WA

Ran across this and started laughing just from the title. With pot legal in Washington and Colorado, I'm sure we'll see if this is true or not soon enough.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/05/health/youn-pot-moobs/index.html

Dr. Anthony Youn wrote:Does smoking pot cause man boobs?



Editor's note: Dr. Anthony Youn is a plastic surgeon in metro Detroit. He is the author of "In Stitches," a humorous memoir about growing up Asian-American and becoming a doctor.

(CNN) -- A young man in his 20s -- let's call him George -- sits across from me in the exam room.

"Dr. Youn," he says, "I have man boobs."

I notice a not-so-unfamiliar smell wafting from his body. It's the same odor that floated my way during a rock concert I recently attended.

"How long have you had a problem with this, George?"

"Hard to say. But it seems to have gotten worse over the past year or so."

"George, the first thing you need to do is stop smoking pot. Marijuana could be causing your man boobs."

Gynecomastia, otherwise known as man boobs (or moobs for short), is a condition that affects approximately 33% to 41% of men between the ages of 25 and 45. It's even more common during puberty, affecting 60% of 14-year-old boys. Interestingly, it also affects 55% to 60% of men aged 50 and older.

Although most cases of gynecomastia resolve spontaneously within a few months to a few years, in 2012 nearly 23,000 people underwent surgery to correct the condition. According to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery (ASAPS), it was the fifth-most common cosmetic surgery in men.

Gynecomastia is caused by a hormone imbalance between testosterone and estrogen. When the ratio between testosterone and estrogen tips in favor of estrogen, the body responds by creating excessive breast tissue. Hence, man boobs.

Animal studies have shown that exposure to the active ingredient in marijuana can result in a decrease in testosterone levels, a reduction of testicular size, and abnormalities in the form and function of sperm.

In humans, the effects of marijuana on testosterone and estrogen levels aren't as clear. Lower testosterone levels have been reported in chronic marijuana users compared to nonusers, but not all studies support this.

Few studies have examined a direct causative effect between smoking marijuana and gynecomastia. A report in 1972 made the initial connection between cannabis and gynecomastia. This study is contrasted with a 1977 survey of U.S. Army soldiers which showed no association between smoking marijuana and gynecomastia. This study was limited, however, due to its very small sample size.

The legalization of marijuana in some state could make it easier for researchers to determine the exact effects of cannabis use on hormone levels, gynecomastia and other bodily functions. If a true link between smoking pot and gynecomastia does exist, then we should expect to see a spike in gynecomastia treatments in those states which have legalized marijuana.

Interestingly, according to ASAPS, the number of men undergoing surgery for gynecomastia nationwide rose nearly 30% from 2011 to 2012.

So can smoking pot really give you man boobs?

Probably. Although the association between marijuana and gynecomastia hasn't been conclusively proven, it appears very plausible. For this reason, the majority of plastic surgeons I've consulted with routinely inquire with their gynecomastia patients about cannabis use and recommend they stop smoking pot immediately.

So for now, if you have moobs, it's probably best to put out that joint.



 
   
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Its seems the male version of the smart bra will find a target audience after all

   
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It's not the problem that potheads want, but it's the problem potheads deserve.

Victim blaming and a batman reference in one post. Suck it, 'Murica!!

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Surely if you exercise or moderate (like many other things) you'd be fine?




   
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Great, now if I see someone smoking a joint I'll be staring at their chest.....

   
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 gossipmeng wrote:
Great, now if I see someone smoking a joint I'll be staring at their chest.....
Yea, but the moment I see pot smoking women sporting man-boobs, I'm going to point and laugh manically at them.


 
   
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At least you can cop a feel without getting peppered sprayed now.

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Huh, that's odd, pot smokers here aren't fat.

I think it's more a case of people not controlling the munchies.
   
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While I'm not exactly a supporter of pot smoking, I think in this case correlation doesn't exactly equate to causation. Given how many fat-asses we have in this country, is it surprising that a lot of pot smokers would have moobs?

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 Soladrin wrote:
Huh, that's odd, pot smokers here aren't fat.

I think it's more a case of people not controlling the munchies.


Yeah basically this. It's not a direct relation, it's a lifestyle thing. Most smokers I know are of nominal weight.

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 djones520 wrote:
While I'm not exactly a supporter of pot smoking, I think in this case correlation doesn't exactly equate to causation. Given how many fat-asses we have in this country, is it surprising that a lot of pot smokers would have moobs?


Aye, probably a lot of the new pot smokers started with the moobs. That said, having a drug that causes extreme munchies will not help in getting the moobs to leave.
   
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None of my stoner friends have man-boobs...
   
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Do you inspect all their chests to make sure?

Maybe thats why pothead chicks always have the nicest chests...

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All the potheads I know personally are/were really lazy, so maybe that contributes too?
Mind you, none of them were fat either - they tended to spend most of their food money on pot!

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To be fair my sample size is like 4 people, one who which has a freakishly high metabolism...

I think the reasoning behind this supposed stoner-boob phenomenon is primarily due to american stoners tending to be lazy and eating a lot.
   
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Most stoners I know are skinny.
   
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New Orleans, LA

Smoking pot gives you man boobs?

That is all kinds of fething funny!

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I'm not an expert, but in my anecdotal... field experience, saying "marijuana leads to man boobs" is missing a step in the middle.

That step is Taco Bell and Mountain Dew.

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Don't forget lethargy and giggle fits!

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 Ouze wrote:
I'm not an expert, but in my anecdotal... field experience, saying "marijuana leads to man boobs" is missing a step in the middle.

That step is Taco Bell and Mountain Dew.

In my scientific research*, I've found that you don't need pot to crave Taco Bell and Mountain Dew, you just need to really hate yourself, or love yourself. My theory hasn't been peer reviewed yet.

* - I was wearing a lab coat.

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I only buy Taco Bell when I'm "blocked up". Works every time.

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Ah, the "medicinal taco". I too know it's efficacy.

I also have prescribed myself ribs (for insomnia) to great effect.

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 Alfndrate wrote:

* - I was wearing a lab coat.


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But more seriously, ''George'' just needs to get off his fat arse and do a few series of push-ups and pull-ups every day. You don't see moobs on people that do 3x20 pull-ups.

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So with more and more states legalizing for different uses, I'd expect more serious studies to be hitting the journals, but I guess the federal money isn't there for it yet?

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 reiner wrote:
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So with more and more states legalizing for different uses, I'd expect more serious studies to be hitting the journals, but I guess the federal money isn't there for it yet?


Universities and research groups can already obtain dispensations to experiment on most drugs.

The problem is not that there is no research being made, but that its hard to figure out which researches have been funded by interested parties.

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 Kovnik Obama wrote:
 reiner wrote:
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So with more and more states legalizing for different uses, I'd expect more serious studies to be hitting the journals, but I guess the federal money isn't there for it yet?


Universities and research groups can already obtain dispensations to experiment on most drugs.

The problem is not that there is no research being made, but that its hard to figure out which researches have been funded by interested parties.


Excellent points. How much money would universities would throw at those studies? And how much of that funding would be provided or influenced by pro/anti marijuana contributors? It would be nice to see some newer studies rather than references to decades old papers which, in the case of this article, only seem to point out correlations. It makes it tough for me to make an informed decision.

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 reiner wrote:
 Kovnik Obama wrote:
 reiner wrote:
Taco Bell™
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So with more and more states legalizing for different uses, I'd expect more serious studies to be hitting the journals, but I guess the federal money isn't there for it yet?


Universities and research groups can already obtain dispensations to experiment on most drugs.

The problem is not that there is no research being made, but that its hard to figure out which researches have been funded by interested parties.


Excellent points. How much money would universities would throw at those studies? And how much of that funding would be provided or influenced by pro/anti marijuana contributors? It would be nice to see some newer studies rather than references to decades old papers which, in the case of this article, only seem to point out correlations. It makes it tough for me to make an informed decision.


maps.org (multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies) currently list a hell of a lot of ongoing researches on medicinal application for marijuana. It seems like studies are hindered because the DEA doesn't allow researchers to grow their own or buy from outside sources.

As to the amounts these research get, seriously, I have no clue. I'm sure it's a number that would seem absolutely obscene to me, given that in my program we're (really) lucky to get 10k for a 3-years Master.

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