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2013/12/06 01:39:08
Subject: who, in your opinion, is the 2nd (cuz Ahriman) best pysker in the 40k lore
I consider eldrad close to Ahriman (though, in a separate way) so he is out as well. but yeah, anything that is innatly warp is out. (since, they are technically not pyskers, its weird)
StarTrotter wrote: Also can we kick of Lord Of Chanage and quite a few Tzeentch DP? Especially the giant lord of change GMC?
Anyways, I'd say probably Eldrad? It might not be the most offensive, but he seems to be quite the capable psker
Ravenor is also top notch, Tigurius, Mephiston, and the red scorpion psyker are pretty high on the list as well.
Well on that note it is arguable to remove the vast majority of CSM psykers as sorcery is in reality something altogether different. Also probably removes nids from the list as well. And yeah they ain't no psykers.... THEY ARE THE PSYKERS (cough the warp)
no no, normal CSM sorcerers and libs are ok. (just the ones that everyone would go lol, -insert blank here- would be out, as ofc, they are that powerful) also, nids are allowed (just no hive mind/ norn queen shenanigans >.>
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just no warp entities. As they have a slightly unfair advantage (ofc, T-sons sorcerers, heralds are ok, I guess, just no DPs, LoC, what have you)
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Barring primarchs, Big E, and there equivalents, as well as Ahriman,
I consider eldrad close to Ahriman (though, in a separate way) so he is out as well
no hive mind/ norn queen shenanigans
no warp entities.
Seems like the original question could have been answered many times over, as you have pretty much cleaned out everyone who could be considered 'the best'.
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2013/12/06 02:26:00
Subject: who, in your opinion, is the best pysker in the 40k lore
bleh, this turned into a mess, I am asking, out of the "normal" level guys (libs, sorcerers, warlocks, seers, farseers, zoanthropes, sanctioned psykers, GK, inquisitors, Heralds, ect.)
The reason I omit ahriman is because he IS the best, so I GUESS the proper question would be,
raiden wrote: bleh, this turned into a mess, I am asking, out of the "normal" level guys (libs, sorcerers, warlocks, seers, farseers, zoanthropes, sanctioned psykers, GK, inquisitors, Heralds, ect.)
The reason I omit ahriman is because he IS the best, so I GUESS the proper question would be,
Who, in your opinion, is the SECOND best pysker
Eldrad.
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2013/12/06 02:37:12
Subject: who, in your opinion, is the best pysker in the 40k lore
Old Zogwort? I mean he can turn entire regiments into confuzzled squigs. Chaos Spawn are nothing compared to squiggies. You eliminate the enemy AND put meat on the menu for tonight's dinner in one blow!
2013/12/06 04:21:06
Subject: who, in your opinion, is the 2nd (cuz Ahriman) best pysker in the 40k lore
Arhiman is more of a sorcerer than a psyker. I'd say he is not the best psyker actually. For example, in a cage match between Mephiston and Ahriman I am not sure who I would put my money on. Ahriman is a much more influential and significant guy, but a lot of that is due to lore or possesion of artefacts/secret knowledge rather than just face melting warp power.
The key limit to a psykers power in the background seems to be their mental fortitude, their mental discipline. Since Mephiston basically un-crazied himself from the Black Rage I'd say that his raw power is probably on par with Ahriman.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
2013/12/06 04:22:00
Subject: who, in your opinion, is the 2nd (cuz Ahriman) best pysker in the 40k lore
Silverthorne wrote: Arhiman is more of a sorcerer than a psyker. I'd say he is not the best psyker actually. For example, in a cage match between Mephiston and Ahriman I am not sure who I would put my money on. Ahriman is a much more influential and significant guy, but a lot of that is due to lore or possesion of artefacts/secret knowledge rather than just face melting warp power.
The key limit to a psykers power in the background seems to be their mental fortitude, their mental discipline. Since Mephiston basically un-crazied himself from the Black Rage I'd say that his raw power is probably on par with Ahriman.
Meh I'd argue you would see a ton of crazy stuff after such a long time exploring galaxies, webways, and the warp as well particularly lots of Tzeentch.... Anyways, it seems that Ahriman is naturally a pysker and I'd be extremely surprised if an idnvidual like Mephiston would be better in terms of being a psyker (now in terms of physical strength....)
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Orock wrote: Is tigerius barred for some reason? Remember he even caused the nid hivemind to retreat.
Nope, I actually mentioned him earlier as well. The problem is people tend to get focused on Ahriman and Eldrad first (and this is with primarchs, super ancient psykers, the big R, the gods, and the LoC removed from such a contest0.
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Lol, which tigurus, the cool one from rogue trader who was a half-elf?
For second best I would say Mephiston. Tig is very strong though. Problem is that the rules on the table top don't really match the power in the background, relatively.
I mean in the game its
Loth
Mephiston
Tigurus
in terms of power but in the background it would be like
Tigurus / Mephiston (very different focus)
about 500 other guys
Something Something Loth? He isn't even the best recorded Red Scorp librarian apparently. Still he gets the 2++ and whatever Biomancy / Telepathy he wants.... weird. Rules wise he is considerably better than Ahriman, but then again, they kind of all are.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Well I don't think the battle company would do much to bolster the ranks of my eldar army so no.
Nonsense. The Battle Company box is perfect for filling out your ranks of aspect warriors with a large contingent from the Screaming Baldies shrine.
2013/12/06 04:46:58
Subject: who, in your opinion, is the 2nd (cuz Ahriman) best pysker in the 40k lore
Silverthorne wrote: Lol, which tigurus, the cool one from rogue trader who was a half-elf?
For second best I would say Mephiston. Tig is very strong though. Problem is that the rules on the table top don't really match the power in the background, relatively.
I mean in the game its
Loth
Mephiston
Tigurus
in terms of power but in the background it would be like
Tigurus / Mephiston (very different focus)
about 500 other guys
Something Something Loth? He isn't even the best recorded Red Scorp librarian apparently. Still he gets the 2++ and whatever Biomancy / Telepathy he wants.... weird. Rules wise he is considerably better than Ahriman, but then again, they kind of all are.
Perhaps Loth makes up for it by being a genius tactician or something? But yeah I can concur with you in terms of fluff. They both serve different purposes. The former is a diviner and support one whilst the other infuses himself with warp energy to make his foes shed tears. Arguably you could claim that the support ones have a better purpose in 40k but when you see Mephiston raging around it's not as easy to tell is it?
of all time in the 40k lore? Well I can think of three that are better then ahirman before other dieing, pseudo dieing or becoming a demon prince. (a deamon prince if pyschic energy, so not sure if he counts as a psyker.)
-The Emperor
-Mangus the Red
-Malcador the Sigillite
One of the books straight up says Malcador would would of been considered the most powerful human psyker of his time, if he didn't live during the age the emperor was waging his great crusade.
If we are talking about characters currently alive in the 40k setting, technically Eldrad is dead so wouldn't make the list. He died during the 13th black crusade inside a Blackstone Fortress to slaaneshi deamons.
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2013/12/06 22:18:14
Subject: Re:who, in your opinion, is the 2nd (cuz Ahriman) best pysker in the 40k lore
I would say Eldrad and Ahriman are similar in both power and knowledge. After all, they are both level 4.
However, everyone here is thinking of playable characters. There are many alpha psykers that are searched and captured by the Adeptus Astra Telepathica and they are described as far more powerful than anything you can see on the table.
This is from a wiki, yet I have read something similar in the setting.
Spoiler:
"The psychic power the top four grades represents is immense. A high Delta level can read the minds of all the people in a good-sized town simultaneously, or crush a man to death against a wall in seconds. High-grade psykers are extremely powerful, and not to be taken lightly. Beta grade is the highest level of psychic power that a human can attain and still be considered sane.
An Alpha Plus grade psyker, however, is a being of almost grotesque power. They are described as being able to "turn a man inside-out with a glance", "snap a Battle Titan in half with a flick of the wrist", and "a muttered syllable can turn an army upon itself in a frenzy of blood lust". They are capable of destroying entire worlds -- sometimes unintentionally."
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Psyker
The sources are contradictory in this regard. However, we are told that the more powerful a psyker, the more unstable and prone to insanity and daemonic possession. The most powerful psykers are killed on the spot, and Librarians and such are taken from the middle part of the power-level scale.
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