Manticore Madness

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**Tactical_Genius**

So here's an idea...
In IA1SE, manticores can be taken in squadrons...
Add inquisitor for prescience...
Fun fun fun with up to 9 S10 barrage, twin-linked shots?

**alarmingrick**

The biggest downside to a sqd. of 3 is the fact that all 3-9 pie plates hit the same target, and hopefully scatter into something other than what you were aiming at.
The second is that's a lot of armour in one spot. Harder to hide 3 than 1.
The upside is of course is that whatever was the original target is probably a sad memory!

**Solosam47**

Sounds fun, looks fun, i can imagine how much fun, but good lord thats overkill.

**Tactical_Genius**

Haha the only thing that made me think of it was the fact that the Heavy Support slot is so heavily contested in FW guard lists, so to include manticores you kinda need at least two in a squadron...
Does anyone think that it would be more effective with 2-3 7" barrage blasts... more chance of hitting a nearby unit?

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And cheaper too, as well as AP2 (IIRC)

**maceria**

Since they are barrage, the first marker will scatter, then ALL the others will have to be in contact with the first marker.

While this still covers a large area, you can force your opponent to either waste the shooting on non-priority targets that are close together, or you can force him to waste the shooting on a singe priority target that is far enough away that it's the only thing being hit.

Either way it's very inefficient, due to limited targeting options.

Also, vehicle squadrons are very easy o take the whole thing out if you have one AT unit that puts out a lot of fire. All the hits stay in the squadron.

**Tactical_Genius**

maceria wrote:
Since they are barrage, the first marker will scatter, then ALL the others will have to be in contact with the first marker.

While this still covers a large area, you can force your opponent to either waste the shooting on non-priority targets that are close together, or you can force him to waste the shooting on a singe priority target that is far enough away that it's the only thing being hit.

Either way it's very inefficient, due to limited targeting options.

Also, vehicle squadrons are very easy o take the whole thing out if you have one AT unit that puts out a lot of fire. All the hits stay in the squadron.

Some good points, but:
1) With a 7" blast, and prescience, I can hit a target 10.5" away from the centre of the first marker.
2) Prescience is more useful on barrage than anything else (see: thunderfire cannons)
3) At 145pts per tank, they can make back their points with just one shot.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, should have clarified:
I know this isn't the 10)% most effective option, but I think it could be fun, and at least decently efficient in-game.

**Ailaros**

Meh. They're S10 but only Ap4. Manticores are only really good against hordes (of light infantry or light vehicles), and you only need SO much of that before you overinvest in it.

It would be funny, though, if not the most effective.

**undead flesh addict**

Alas, they don't specify a slot on the FOC, so technically you can't take them in standard 40k

I hope they FAQ this soon, as you cannot take them in the armoured battlegroup list either

**ansacs**

You can take the manticore in the slot of a manticore. Same with chimera. This is just optional wargear for a unit.

Sounds fun. Massive overkill but should be awesome.

**undead flesh addict**

No you can't. It is a separate entry, as it is entitled 'Manticore Battery' and not, 'optional rules for manticore rocket launcher, from codex: imperial guard'

**ansacs**

Email forgeworld. They respond and have great support. That is what I did.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Ailaros wrote:
Meh. They're S10 but only Ap4. Manticores are only really good against hordes (of light infantry or light vehicles), and you only need SO much of that before you overinvest in it.

It would be funny, though, if not the most effective.

They strip HP from vehicles incredibly well, murder Power Armored models by inflicting a ton of wounds, and ID anything <= T5. They have uses far beyond crowd control.

**Talore**

Ailaros wrote:
Meh. They're S10 but only Ap4. Manticores are only really good against hordes (of light infantry or light vehicles), and you only need SO much of that before you overinvest in it.

It would be funny, though, if not the most effective.

The Manticore missile option might be better here, I think. Instead of d3 S10 AP4 large blasts, you get a single S9 AP2 7" blast, and for cheaper than the storm eagle missiles. AP2 can do a lot of work over such a wide area. (You can also go platform to decrease the cost further, but it does make it more vulnerable and more difficult to field since you'll have to convert them or pray you'll find some on eBay since they were discontinued.)

**Tactical_Genius**

Talore wrote:
Ailaros wrote:
Meh. They're S10 but only Ap4. Manticores are only really good against hordes (of light infantry or light vehicles), and you only need SO much of that before you overinvest in it.

It would be funny, though, if not the most effective.

The Manticore missile option might be better here, I think. Instead of d3 S10 AP4 large blasts, you get a single S9 AP2 7" blast, and for cheaper than the storm eagle missiles. AP2 can do a lot of work over such a wide area. (You can also go platform to decrease the cost further, but it does make it more vulnerable and more difficult to field since you'll have to convert them or pray you'll find some on eBay since they were discontinued.)

I was thinking of going platform actually

200pts for a barrage 2 S9 AP2 7" blast

**Useless Sidekick**

I was in a doubles tournament last week and I made my own manticore defence platform. I hid it behind cover and it did stupidly well for 100pts :-) especially with a div inquisitor next to it :-).
You can have a squad of three for the same price of two normal manticores whats not to like :-)

**DrunkPhilisoph**

Hmmm, might be just in the german version, but doesn't the prophety power just allow to reroll failed to-hit rolls, not twinlink the weapon?

**Tactical_Genius**

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Hmmm, might be just in the german version, but doesn't the prophety power just allow to reroll failed to-hit rolls, not twinlink the weapon?

Makes no difference IIRC

**Dakkamite**

erasing the opponents army before they get to do anything is fun

What a self centred view of fun.

**Tactical_Genius**

Dakkamite wrote:
erasing the opponents army before they get to do anything is fun

What a self centred view of fun.

Who are you quoting? Nobody said that?

**DrunkPhilisoph**

Tactical_Genius wrote:
DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Hmmm, might be just in the german version, but doesn't the prophety power just allow to reroll failed to-hit rolls, not twinlink the weapon?

Makes no difference IIRC

Scatter rolls aren't to hit rolls, so yeah it would mean that you can't use it to buff your manticores...

**Tactical_Genius**

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Tactical_Genius wrote:
DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Hmmm, might be just in the german version, but doesn't the prophety power just allow to reroll failed to-hit rolls, not twinlink the weapon?

Makes no difference IIRC

Scatter rolls aren't to hit rolls, so yeah it would mean that you can't use it to buff your manticores...

I thought anything which gave rerolls to hit allowed a reroll of the scatter die?

**NuggzTheNinja**

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Tactical_Genius wrote:
DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Hmmm, might be just in the german version, but doesn't the prophety power just allow to reroll failed to-hit rolls, not twinlink the weapon?

Makes no difference IIRC

Scatter rolls aren't to hit rolls, so yeah it would mean that you can't use it to buff your manticores...

Mannahnin wrote:
Page 33 wrote:Blast Weapons and Re-Rolls
If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit and chooses to do so after firing a Blast weapon, the player must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2d6.

**Tactical_Genius**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Tactical_Genius wrote:
DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
Hmmm, might be just in the german version, but doesn't the prophety power just allow to reroll failed to-hit rolls, not twinlink the weapon?

Makes no difference IIRC

Scatter rolls aren't to hit rolls, so yeah it would mean that you can't use it to buff your manticores...

Mannahnin wrote:
Page 33 wrote:Blast Weapons and Re-Rolls
If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit and chooses to do so after firing a Blast weapon, the player must re-roll both the scatter dice and the 2d6.

Thought so. Thanks for the quote