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As there iss no picture for the void shield array what size could I make it?

The rules say each projected void shield is 12" area of effect measured from any point on the building. Is this a 12" radius or a 6" radius for a 12" diameter?

Can I change the point of origin for the void shield zone each time? For example move the point of origin to the back of the building to prevent enemy units getting inside?

I would appreciate some thoughts.

As it is simply a generator with no transport capacity, I would suggest a small building would be most appropriate (6"x6").
Also its armour value suggests it would be made from Plascrete, just a thought for modelling.

However, this is an opinion and there is nothing in the book that suggests what size it should be.

Afterthought: Build it with a size that shows just how many void shields it has perhaps, small for 1 shield, medium for 2 shields, etc.

No, you can't "change" where you measure from. It's a 12" radius from any point on the building.

A Void Shield array wouldn't be very large, though. Definitely no bigger than the small wall of martyrs bunker.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
A Void Shield array wouldn't be very large, though. Definitely no bigger than the small wall of martyrs bunker.

This is only an opinion. There are plenty of fluffy reasons that a VSG would be bigger or smaller than that. For example, it could be a very old Generator, from before the technology was perfected, and thus it needs more space for its mechanisms; this VSG would be 10x10" and 8" high.
Or the building could increase in size for each additional shield you buy, due to the greater complexity of the machinery.
OR it could be a compact Eldar design, and only takes up a 40mm base.
There are really no rules guidelines that I can see.

If it were really old, it is likely to much very small...

nosferatu1001 wrote:
If it were really old, it is likely to much very small...

If it's human then it's probably got a size distribution against time with a minimum size just before the end of the dark age of technology and getting bigger in both directions.

No, you can't "change" where you measure from. It's a 12" radius from any point on the building.

The first sentence here disagrees with the second. The second is the correct one, you need to be within 12" of any part of the building. And remember you only need 1 model from a unit to be within 12" to get the benefit.

 FlingitNow wrote:

No, you can't "change" where you measure from. It's a 12" radius from any point on the building.

The first sentence here disagrees with the second. The second is the correct one, you need to be within 12" of any part of the building. And remember you only need 1 model from a unit to be within 12" to get the benefit.

Not in context it doesn't. The question was essentially "Can I change where the void shield emanates from so as to prevent enemies getting inside?" The answer is no, you can't change where you measure the void field from because it's not a fixed point within the building, it's the building itself.

I'm thinking of making one, using the "hull" section of a Vengeance Weapon Battery, and replacing the gun with some emitters and radar dish looking things.

Remember it must have Battlements

 Mythantor wrote:
Remember it must have Battlements

I was just going to say that. Because of the Battlements it is probably analogous to a bastion.

Ah yes so it does. Damn, will have to change that plan.

I'm going to use snow globes.

 juraigamer wrote:
I'm going to use snow globes.

I would love to see your snowglobe battlements when you're done building!

 grendel083 wrote:
I'm thinking of making one, using the "hull" section of a Vengeance Weapon Battery, and replacing the gun with some emitters and radar dish looking things.

This is my thoughts as well and also what i plan to use when making my Shield Arrays. Would make battlements around the actual dish that represents the shield generator.

Bear in mind that even the minibunker can be upgraded to project a single void shield. This would suggest that the array should not be exceptionally large. Given that it is impassable, you should be wary of making it too big, lest some think you're modelling for advantage to generate a bigger bubble, and to provide more LoS-blocking terrain for yourself.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Bear in mind that even the minibunker can be upgraded to project a single void shield. This would suggest that the array should not be exceptionally large. Given that it is impassable, you should be wary of making it too big, lest some think you're modelling for advantage to generate a bigger bubble, and to provide more LoS-blocking terrain for yourself.

There a difference in the void shield array and the void shield build upgrade though. The building upgrade is just for the building, the unit inside and on the battlements; it does not generate the 12" bubble. Only the void shield array generates the bubble.

On a related note does the void shield bubble get a cover save? Or an Inv save from a PFG being within 3"?

 Unholyllama wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Bear in mind that even the minibunker can be upgraded to project a single void shield. This would suggest that the array should not be exceptionally large. Given that it is impassable, you should be wary of making it too big, lest some think you're modelling for advantage to generate a bigger bubble, and to provide more LoS-blocking terrain for yourself.

There a difference in the void shield array and the void shield build upgrade though. The building upgrade is just for the building, the unit inside and on the battlements; it does not generate the 12" bubble. Only the void shield array generates the bubble.

Ah, good point on the bubble part. But I would still avoid building it too large, for the other reasons I listed. This is an instance where GW should really have had at least a scratchbuilt example to show. Otherwise, someone, somewhere, will build one that is 1" tall, 1" wide, and four FEET long to give their whole deployment zone the shield bubble.

 ansacs wrote:
On a related note does the void shield bubble get a cover save? Or an Inv save from a PFG being within 3"?

Is the void shield a model or a unit?

Well the shield generator is a building but the shield itself is a bizarre armour value you have to shoot against. You are targeting a model but the AV is not the model's...?

 ansacs wrote:
Well the shield generator is a building but the shield itself is a bizarre armour value you have to shoot against. You are targeting a model but the AV is not the model's...?

You do not shoot at the shield itself...the shield is automatically hit when the unit or building is hit. So since you cannot target the shield directly it would not get a cover save. That said the unit/model inside of the bubble would be eligible for a cover save just like if the shield was down.

RAW - it's hard to say if the cover save of the intended target would transfer to the shield itself.

Exactly. I can see 3 discreet cases;
1) No cover save
2) cover based on unit targeted (seems likely and makes sense)
3) cover based on shield generator

I just cannot tell which it is supposed to be.

You shoot at an indefinable void shield, the shot Can be a barrage, a curved trajectory, grenades or other. It hits The shield whereever The boundary is (12" out). Do you think we then have to work out a point in The air where The shot hits, and then work out cover save, no.. Since The first, second or third shots does not hit The Unit you are firing at, how Can they transfer their cover save to The void shield.

Treat it like this: you shoot at a squad of marines behind an aegis (4up), with a large blast template, it scatters so another Unit of marines in front of the aegis gets hit instead, now do you use The cover save of your intended target or The target that actually gets hit. Now this might not be the best example, but it is certainly in the right direction. We dont really have another void shield unit to compare with.

Your third option really does not belong in a logical shot solution.
When coming to these questions, think of how The force multiplier would work for a void shield, if you were able to transfer, for example, a 3 up cover save to your void shield, from a Unit going to Ground behind an aegis, or even a Unit in ruins, with shrouded.. If a void shield could gain those variable cover saves, it would be tremendously more powerfull, considering The relatively low point cost.

So no, there is no cover save for The void shield

edit: typing mistakes

I am fine either way but your logic is extremely fuzzy.

You argue from one side that it doesn't make sense to use the unit's cover save as the void shield would take the shot at a different position then discount the fact that not being able to see the unit and missing due to such doesn't make sense as the points cost is too low? Was any of that actually based on RAW?

I think I will personally go with the void shield cannot have cover as it cannot be obscured by 25% of more...seeing as it is invisible and doesn't actually exist. Though it would actually make sense for it to be affected by nightfighting - shrouded.

The rule states the shield is hit instead of the target.
So any cover saves the target get, wouldn't apply to the shield, as the target is no longer getting hit.

Fair enough but say you have a 12+" tall ruin in front of the void shield gen and unit. The ruins would easily give cover to the void shield bubble, unit, and generator...does the void shield get a cover save?

No the shield never gets a cover save.

What is the logic behind that assertion?