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Hey guys, this is my first army list, and I made 2 while I was at it. I was wondering if I could get some feedback as to where I should change them or what I'm missing etc. This will be a 750 point list. Thanks in advance.

LIST 1:
-HQ: The Emperor's Champion (with squad 2)
-crusader squad 1: (9 initiates, 1 neophyte) with lascannon and plasmagun
-crusader squad 2: (8 initiates, 1 neophyte) with flamer and multimelta
-2 Rhinos, both with extra armour
-Terminator Assault squad: (4 terminators, 1 sergeant) 2 with TH/SS

LIST 2:
-HQ: Space Marine Captain (with squad 2)
-Crusader squad 1: (8 initiates, 2 neophytes) with multimelta
-Crusader squad 2: (7 initiates, 2 neophytes)
-2 Rhinos both with extra armour
-Terminator Assault squad: (4 terminators, 1 sergeant) 2 with TH/SS
-Dreadnought: with multi-melta and storm bolter

I kind of like list two because of the dread that I added in however, throwing away the emperor's champion and a few weapons upgrades on the crusader squads could hurt me more than the dread adds. Also, wondering what a good mix of bolters and chainswords+bolt pistols would be. Thanks again for the feedback.

what do you want to do???

personally list 1 is better imo. but you seem to running very much like tactical squads. this, I do not condone. lol.

well I don't know an insane amount about the game as I am really new but I know I want to run in there and kill as many people as I can with chainswords and assault terminators if that's anything to go on.

Consider something like this. Its fluffy, its fun, its fairly strong.
If you have the models for it I mean.

Helebrecht- 180
10 man crusader squad w/ sword brother w/ power sword (or maul), power fist, flamer, 5 shotgun neophytes.
10 man crusader squad w/ sword brother w/ power sword/maul, a powerfist, flamer, 5 shotgun neophytes
5 man crusader squad w/ a missile launcher (for back field obj. camping)



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you can consider swapping out the flamers for melta guns. and drop the ML from the camping squad, or just drop them all together for some scouts.

I'm kind of attached to the idea of assault terminators, I've watched some batreps and I think they are sweet looking with TH/SS and pretty damn tough too. Would you guys recommend not including them though? I mean I understand I can add quite a bit more not having them

in 750? its a, well, risk.

ok, and what about the rhinos? I've heard that you really need rhinos to play black Templars successfully and that footslogging is a bad idea no?

depends. you can, but it limits you to 9-10 guys in a unit.

Thanks Raiden, I'm going to post a new list up taking from your comments as well as some others from another website, let me know what you think.