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Malcador once mentioned advising the Emperor to make the Primarchs as daughters instead of sons, in order to prevent rivalries from arising. Would this have worked?

Heheheh. Girl rivalries are MUCH worse than guys.

 raiden wrote:
Heheheh. Girl rivalries are MUCH worse than guys.

Well, Horus did turn the Emperor into a walking corpse...so what could Isis do that's worse than what Horus did?

Or what could Freya do to Miranda apart from breaking her back (like what Russ did to Magnus)?

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Malcador once mentioned advising the Emperor to make the Primarchs as daughters instead of sons, in order to prevent rivalries from arising. Would this have worked?

I take it you don't have any daughters or ever work with teenagers?

Yeah. No. Boys are *much* easier to deal with.

Well, Horus did turn the Emperor into a walking corpse...so what could Isis do that's worse than what Horus did?

Or what could Freya do to Magnesia apart from breaking her back (like what Russ did to Magnus)?

That's child's play. Crippling and painful, sure... but once done it's done and over with, there's nothing after it.

If they had been girls?

Oh, man..

the machinations of vengeance would have taken another 500 years to be put into motion, and when they did come to fruition, it would make the modern-day Imperium appear to be a utopia. It would be the utter and complete annihilation of dreams, and the death of all hopes. Being male myself, I cannot, in words, describe it adequately. It would have made everything done by any of the servants of the Chaos Gods, and the insane Loyalists, too, seem like a game of paddy-cakes.

As has been said, Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Malcador once mentioned advising the Emperor to make the Primarchs as daughters instead of sons, in order to prevent rivalries from arising. Would this have worked?

I take it you don't have any daughters or ever work with teenagers?

Does my little sister count?

...it would make the modern-day Imperium appear to be a utopia. It would be the utter and complete annihilation of dreams, and the death of all hopes. Being male myself, I cannot, in words, describe it adequately. It would have made everything done by any of the servants of the Chaos Gods, and the insane Loyalists, too, seem like a game of paddy-cakes.

As has been said, Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

Surely you exaggerate. And even if you aren't, wouldn't Freya (Russ), Remilia (Dorn), Roberta (Guilliman), etc. be able to cope appropriately?

There would be no Heresy, since the Dark Gods would be afraid to tamper with women who can casually crush supersoldiers wearing Terminator armour, or fry entire armies with their minds.

While it would doubtlessly be interesting, I do not doubt that the outcome would be equally bad.

I'll refer to Seinfeld in this case. When told of how a wedgie works Elaine replied, "guys are sick...Women just make fun of someone until they develop an eating disorder."

Same things would have happened.

Rivalries between girls are usually much more fierce and lasting than those between boys, so I guess it would've been even worse.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, the emp scorned horus in his mind, imagine how much worse it would have been

It would of been a LOT worse. As a male, I cannot adequately describe how women think, but all I know is that they can hold a grudge like all hell. And the looks they give you when they are angry, even if you did nothing wrong, can melt a man. Now imagine if that woman was the one of the most powerful psykers ever and he eyes COULD melt a man. Total, Apocalyptic, Collossal, B*tch Fight!

It would have been the same. Remember, the issues that started the Horus Heresy were mostly the Emperor's fault. I fail to see how changing the Primarch's genders would solve that problem.

Same thing would have happened.

Oh Hell No. Guys know how to be friends better than girls do... have you never seen Family Guy?

Guys are more likely to have friendly rivalries, Girls can become really spiteful and hold on to rivalries a lot longer.

Otto Weston wrote:
...have you never seen Family Guy?

No; I like to keep my brain cells healthy, thank you very much.

The great crusade probably would have failed due to -4 strength.

Humanity would have ended. Women are so much better at subtle manipulation than the vast majority of men. Not to mention immediate total mental recall. They forget NOTHING .... EVER. If you have ever pissed a woman off she will never forget it, and bring it up 4 years later. Men are different than women in so many ways.

Most guys, if they got a beef with someone they either talk it out or slug it out. Then it is done and mostly forgotten only to be recalled years later when talking as friends after said incident has passed and something reminds them. Women? Not so much.

Most times if they even FEEL like someone has slighted them, they store that little nugget in the extra part of the brain that they have that men fail to develop. They can pile all of those little nuggets up and then when they feel like it ... unleash holy hell on some poor, unsuspecting (but not undeserving, in their mind) fool that has said the wrong thing at the wrong time.

Men can make knives that cut like a razor, but women can shred you with words. Now that I think about it all women have Fleshbane Words USR.

No ... it would not have been good at all. The Big E is better off being a corpse on a throne than what 20 Hyper-strong, even more mentally acute, hostile at times women would have done to him.

I think he would have ate a melta pistol. Twice if he made his FNP roll. Just sayin.

Maybe Malcador was The Emperors wife.

It would have been the same IMO. Chaos's influence would have been just the same, there dad would have been just as gakky and the silly rivalries would have been just as bad.

The only difference would be Khorn would be less powerful and Tzeentch more powerful.

 Steve steveson wrote:
The only difference would be Khorn would be less powerful and Tzeentch more powerful.

I see what you did there

If only they had maternal figures in their lives. Almost all of them (other than Curze, because he's Batman and HIS PARENTS ARE DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD) had a surrogate parent - a father, to be specific. Almost all of these "fathers" were not exactly good parents. Fulgrim was the only one, but they were more worshipers than parents.

Imagine if Horus' mother had known what he was planning to do.

Really, though, the main issue is their daddy issues. They were all immature teenagers in the bodies of demigods and their daddy was away on business a lot. The Emperor's biggest mistake was allowing them to all develop their own politics; alliances, rivalries, hatred and kinship among select brothers.

If they were female, it's possible that their overall kinship would have improved. Bitter rivalries would arise easily, but they would get over them just as easily if it came down to a serious situation. Less "I don't like you, Magnus, because I think you're a magic-using bitch and I'm a manly man, so I'm totally okay with killing you and your Legion right now".

However, had it instead been the God-Empress of Mankind, things would have been different. She would have actually thought about her children, maybe a bit too much, rather than thinking "Ah, it's fine, I'll just let them roam the galaxy with limitless power while I work in the garage on my motorcycle secret project".

Now Horus, are you sure you know how to command a Legion? Is your armour comfortable? Here's a big wolf pelt I made for you to keep you warm. Did you pack a lunch? Okay, off you go on your Crusade. Don't forget to send astropathic messages! Bye! Don't talk to Daemons! Bye!

 Frozen Ocean wrote:


Now Horus, are you sure you know how to command a Legion? Is your armour comfortable? Here's a big wolf pelt I made for you to keep you warm. Did you pack a lunch? Okay, off you go on your Crusade. Don't forget to send astropathic messages! Bye! Don't talk to Daemons! Bye!

Lost it at that. I'll let you know if I ever stop laughing.

Primarch PMS = Total Annihilation of the galaxy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FY2efhRS4U

Well something like this could happen... but only on a good day. Females are much better at manipulating, conspiracy and they dont forget anything.
Only the power boot industrie could wish something like that (but as long as there are Angry Marines, they will sell enough)

And Daddy is surely not able to say "No" to his litte girl, when she looks deeply into his eyes with her pure innocent big eyes, sobbing and nearly crying

"I am a … traitor? Thats not fair. It’s her, isn’t it? Miranda? She hates me, Daddy, she really hates me!
Only because she is bigger than me… and she hasn’t got a boyfriend. She has scared them all away with her scary stare.
She is just jealous of me and Erebus, thats all. She’s so mean. Do you think that was an accident?

She is he biggest psyker after you daddy, but number 2 was never enough for her. You could expect that she knows what she is doing.
She has been experimenting with her own legion all the time. She is disrespecting you, Dad! She wants to destroy our good relationship.
I guess she knew what would happen here when she tried to call you. She… she is an… evil witch! I am scared of her and what she will do.

I think something very evil will happend soon. She will not stop to tell those lies.Daddy, we cannot let her continue to destroy what we have build.
She has broken your own law and is doing some crazy stuff on this Prosero – Thing instead of helping you to unite the galaxy. That’s so traiterous.

You should send someone to investigate. I know her, she is up to something. But i cannot leave you now, i just want to stay close to you until the end, daddy.
I've got an idea. We could send Freya, she is good in things like this. Let me send her the message, you should continue to repair you Throne – Project, i know what it means to you.
Don’t worry, i will nevereverver dissapoint you. Love you daddy… i am back soon. Your such a great father to me.“

Sorry for my bad english... i've noticed that my school english days are long gone. But i think you are able to get the idea... Female Primarchs would be terrifying

Warhammer 40K: In the future there is only war... be happy about it, it could be so much worse!

I wonder what empirical evidence all of you are getting your notions of gender attributes from.

"Daddy is surely not able to say 'no' to his little girl-"

No, the Emperor was not some pussy beta male. He'd say no and then tell her to sack up and be a man.


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 Jimsolo wrote:
Same thing would have happened.

This is probably the best answer.

Lol just imagining a Primarch turning to the emperor and saying "Does this power armour make my arse look fat."