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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 20:10:23
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/justice/utah-polygamy-law/index.html?hpt=hp_t5
(CNN) -- A federal judge in Utah has struck down part of that state's law banning polygamy, after a lawsuit was brought by the stars of the television reality series "Sister Wives."
The ruling late Friday by U.S. District Court Judge Clark Waddoups threw out the law's section prohibiting "cohabitation," saying it violates constitutional guarantees of due process and religious freedom.
But the judge said he would keep in place the ban on bigamy "in the literal sense -- the fraudulent or otherwise impermissible possession of two purportedly valid marriage licenses for the purpose of entering into more than one purportedly legal marriage."
The 91-page decision comes months after the Supreme Court struck down a separate federal law that defined marriage as between only one man and one woman, a major legal, political, and social victory for homosexual couples seeking recognition of their same-sex unions.
The current suit was brought two years ago by Kody Brown, a Utah resident and his four wives -- Meri, Janelle, Christine, and Robyn -- who together have 17 children, and whose lives are chronicled on the TLC cable television program.
They claim their privacy rights were being violated by the decades-old law, passed around the time Utah became a state. They are members of a fundamentalist branch of the Mormon Church known as the Apostolic United Brethren Church.
Brown and his family said in a statement they were grateful for the ruling.
"Many people do not approve of plural families," he said, but "we hope that in time all of our neighbors and fellow citizens will come to respect our own choices as part of this wonderful country of different faiths and beliefs."
Some religious groups criticized the ruling.
"This is what happens when marriage becomes about the emotional and sexual wants of adults, divorced from the needs of children for a mother and a father committed to each other for life," said Russell Moore, of the Southern Baptist Convention. "Polygamy was outlawed in this country because it was demonstrated, again and again, to hurt women and children. Sadly, when marriage is elastic enough to mean anything, in due time it comes to mean nothing."
There was no initial reaction to the ruling from Utah officials, but they are expected to appeal.
The case is Brown v. Buhman (2:11-cv-652).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 20:23:05
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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"This is what happens when marriage becomes about the emotional and sexual wants of adults, divorced from the needs of children for a mother and a father committed to each other for life," said Russell Moore, of the Southern Baptist Convention. "Polygamy was outlawed in this country because it was demonstrated, again and again, to hurt women and children. Sadly, when marriage is elastic enough to mean anything, in due time it comes to mean nothing."
To the bold: Never seen the show (TLC should be taken off the air), but it sounds like these 5 adults are in fact dedicated to each other, and to raising their multitude of children.
To the italic: While there is historical ties between polygamy and child-wives, it is possible to deal with the latter without having to prohibit the former.
To the underline: Oh yeah, because hetero couples have such a fantastic track record when it comes to the institution of marriage. The whole thing is an antiquated notion that has caused way more strife than is necessary over what was once used to move property and solidify nobility.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 22:02:12
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Hah. Can't wait till LGBT Brigade gets a hold of that quote.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 23:28:11
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Fixture of Dakka
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Anyone that practices polygamy gets excommunicated from the LDS church, so the article claiming that they are a branch of the church is not correct.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 23:32:37
Subject: Re:Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I don't think the state has any business solemnizing marriages as a government function, period. It's a private covenant between consenting adults, whether they be straight, gay, or multiple and their place of worship or secular equivalent.
I think multiple spouses is a bad idea, but consenting adults are free to make their own horrible, horrible decisions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 23:53:09
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Relapse wrote:They have nothing to do with the LDS church as the article seems to be trying to say. They are a group that broke away from the LDS church
Where did you get that? I just saw this portion:
"They are members of a fundamentalist branch of the Mormon Church known as the Apostolic United Brethren Church."
I think I have seen some mention of the LDS in some other articles, but I think those just mentioned that the AUBC isn't anti- LDS like some other fundamentalist branches.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/16 23:58:40
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Fixture of Dakka
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d-usa wrote:Relapse wrote:They have nothing to do with the LDS church as the article seems to be trying to say. They are a group that broke away from the LDS church
Where did you get that? I just saw this portion:
"They are members of a fundamentalist branch of the Mormon Church known as the Apostolic United Brethren Church."
I think I have seen some mention of the LDS in some other articles, but I think those just mentioned that the AUBC isn't anti- LDS like some other fundamentalist branches.
To say they are a branch of the LDS church makes it seem as though they are in some way attached to it, which is not the case. I ammended my earlier post to give a better idea that polygamists are not allowed membership.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 00:08:15
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Relapse wrote: d-usa wrote:Relapse wrote:They have nothing to do with the LDS church as the article seems to be trying to say. They are a group that broke away from the LDS church
Where did you get that? I just saw this portion:
"They are members of a fundamentalist branch of the Mormon Church known as the Apostolic United Brethren Church."
I think I have seen some mention of the LDS in some other articles, but I think those just mentioned that the AUBC isn't anti- LDS like some other fundamentalist branches.
To say they are a branch of the LDS church makes it seem as though they are in some way attached to it, which is not the case.
But it doesn't say that they are a branch of the LDS church...unless I am missing something.
Is it because they used "Mormon Church"?
From my understanding, the LDS doesn't endorse the use of "Mormon Church" to refer to themselves and actually discourages the use to refer to them as such. Although I do think that the LDS doesn't like it when news organizations use the term "Mormons" for anybody but themselves.
I know that I didn't assume any membership simply because they said "Mormon Church" or "Mormons" . It's similar to "Baptists" or "The Baptist Church" for me. The Southern Baptist Convention is the biggest body of Baptists in the US, but they are not the only one. There are many more fundamentalist branches of Baptists out there (Free Will Baptists, Bible Baptists, Primitive Baptists, and many many more) and "Baptists" could refer to any of them even though most people probably think of the SBC when they hear the term.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 01:52:38
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Fixture of Dakka
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d-usa wrote:Relapse wrote: d-usa wrote:Relapse wrote:They have nothing to do with the LDS church as the article seems to be trying to say. They are a group that broke away from the LDS church
Where did you get that? I just saw this portion:
"They are members of a fundamentalist branch of the Mormon Church known as the Apostolic United Brethren Church."
I think I have seen some mention of the LDS in some other articles, but I think those just mentioned that the AUBC isn't anti- LDS like some other fundamentalist branches.
To say they are a branch of the LDS church makes it seem as though they are in some way attached to it, which is not the case.
But it doesn't say that they are a branch of the LDS church...unless I am missing something.
Is it because they used "Mormon Church"?
From my understanding, the LDS doesn't endorse the use of "Mormon Church" to refer to themselves and actually discourages the use to refer to them as such. Although I do think that the LDS doesn't like it when news organizations use the term "Mormons" for anybody but themselves.
I know that I didn't assume any membership simply because they said "Mormon Church" or "Mormons" . It's similar to "Baptists" or "The Baptist Church" for me. The Southern Baptist Convention is the biggest body of Baptists in the US, but they are not the only one. There are many more fundamentalist branches of Baptists out there (Free Will Baptists, Bible Baptists, Primitive Baptists, and many many more) and "Baptists" could refer to any of them even though most people probably think of the SBC when they hear the term.
I see what you mean. From my experience, a lot of people automatically attribute any group with the word Mormon tacked on to their name with the LDS church. That's why I thought I'd say something before misunderstandings came into the thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 01:55:37
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Fair enough, I can see where some folks will just read "Mormon" and go "they are those Latter Day folks with the commercials...".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 02:32:17
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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"Sadly, when marriage is elastic enough to mean anything, in due time it comes to mean nothing."
I think this saying, or a variation of, can be applied to almost subject.
"Sadly, when 40k is elastic enough to include any codex, supplement, FOC, or superheavy, in due time it comes to mean nothing."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 05:46:06
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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"Sadly, when 'santorum' is elastic enough to mean anything, in due time it comes to mean s---."
Wow, that really does work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/12/17 08:58:32
Subject: Judge strikes down part of Utah polygamy law
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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I agree with the ruling, especially bearing in mind how cohabitation is often regarded in the US; regardless of sex or religion.
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