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Hello Dakka and I would like to know the opinions of the community of using this model as a Leman russ.

http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=126_210_195&products_id=1632

Of course if I use other variants than the battle tank I will convert the weapons and I will do some minor conversions anyway (for example adding a imperial aquila or two on its hull). I think though that this should be a valid count as, as it has enough bulk and a big enough gun on it.

What do you think? Thanks for your answers.

Edit: If you have any suggestions on a better count as Leman russ (WWI style) please post.

Is it the right size? Can't tell but the gunner up top makes me believe it might be smaller than a Leman Russ.

As long as it's the right size, the weapons kinda vaguely match what they're supposed to be, and you make it clear what is I have no issues with stuff like this.

I would allow it, but I would probably give you my spiel on why walkers are worse than tanks.

Seriously, walkers are a much worse design than a tank of equivalent tonnage for almost every purpose.

A simple weapon swap is all that would be needed for some variants but yea it would be fine in my books.

How is that even remotely close to a leman russ? it doesn't even have treads.

Sienisoturi wrote:Hello Dakka and I would like to know the opinions of the community of using this model as a Leman russ.

http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=126_210_195&products_id=1632

Of course if I use other variants than the battle tank I will convert the weapons and I will do some minor conversions anyway (for example adding a imperial aquila or two on its hull). I think though that this should be a valid count as, as it has enough bulk and a big enough gun on it.

What do you think? Thanks for your answers.

Is that a Dust model? Yes, I would allow it, however, I personally would like some Imperium-ism added to it. Some light conversion, as per your voting options. However, the deal breaker is whether it's on par with the Leman Russ in size.

Unit1126PLL wrote:I would allow it, but I would probably give you my spiel on why walkers are worse than tanks.

Seriously, walkers are a much worse design than a tank of equivalent tonnage for almost every purpose.

Agreed. As cool as walkers are, and let's be honest, walkers are cool, they're sssooo impractical it's untrue.

But saying that, the U.S. Army is trialling a four-legged walker, but it's a pack/equipment carrier, not a 'mech.'

 Tower75 wrote:

Sienisoturi wrote:But saying that, the U.S. Army is trialling a four-legged walker, but it's a pack/equipment carrier, not a 'mech.'

Yes, it's also smaller than a man, and, crucially, is unmanned. It really isn't a "walker" in the sci-fi sense. It's a drone that carries stuff, and it possesses the only advantage that a walker would ever have over a tracked vehicle - it can traverse terrain better.

Armor, firepower, speed, acceleration, ease of production, ease of maintenance, ease of use, ergonomics, EVERYTHING else is better with a tank.

I definitely dig it. If your army is Soviet themed, I think it's a great idea.

No, but only because that thing is an affront to good tanks everywhere

It's 1/50 Scale, so I think this tank is going to be very much smaller than a standard Russ, which might get into some MFA issues.

If there are ANY differences whatsoever even down to having a different number of rivets than an official russ, you will have players screaming MFA if they think disallowing you to use it will give THEM any sort of advantage over you. Be ready for those "sorts".

Personally, if it is reasonable, I would be cool with it.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I definitely dig it. If your army is Soviet themed, I think it's a great idea.

If you don't think you can have a soviet-themed army, check out my sig.

Yeah I definitely do. I love Dust models and toyed with getting them for all my armor, before I got a couple Leman Russ for pretty cheap.

Now a lot of people think that Leman Russ are ugly and if they were built in real life, would be impractical. Well, look at how low a Landraider is or how prohibitively small a Rhino. But, it's a game. It's a hobby that USED to be about creativity.

As far as someone telling me that they won't allow a model, I doubt I would play against them. I play friendly games, with lists that match background. My ork trukks are big. My battlewagons too. I'm using a modified Sherman tank as a Leman Russ Vanquisher because I liked the look.

Whose to say there isn't a world where they manufacture Imperial Guard walker tanks instead of treads? Screw it, it's your hobby. Have fun with it.

 Gorgrimm wrote:

Whose to say there isn't a world where they manufacture Imperial Guard walker tanks instead of treads? Screw it, it's your hobby. Have fun with it.

A fair point. It only takes one Black Library novel. Hell, the recent 'Fire Caste' novel has got Imperial Guardsmen walking around in power armour*, and no one lost their gak over it.

*indigenous design from the Guardsmen's home planet.

Thanks for all of your answers.

What I was wondering is that why people think it is too small because atleast I think it is big enough or even a bit too big compred to a leman russ. Compare the size of the driver to the rest of the vehicle:

http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=126_210_195&products_id=1632

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440252a&prodId=prod770021a

I would also like to know the reasons why many people vote that this is not a good count as. Is it because it has bad aesthetics, it is not a GW model or is the only reason that it is the wrong size.

If you have any suggestions on why it is not a good count as and how can it be improved please post.

Thanks for your answers.

PS. If you have any suggestions on a better count as Leman russ (On a WWI style) please post that also.

GW seems to even scale down their minis for vehicle crew. I was doing some conversions for my IG using old Warzone trenchers and I used some IG bodies which worked fine, then found my Leman Russ had a cool piece of a tank commander with gas mask which fit right in, only he was so small scale that he didn't fit the bodies when other IG parts did. WTH?

I think that it should be close to size but its okay to be a little off as long as it works.

I'm never really opposed to things like walker tanks for IG, because I still have old rule books with Imperial Guard landspeeders and beast men. Not to say that the old first edition rules are th egolden age, but there was a back ground that was there and changed over time. If you were exposed to it, then it seemed like not a big deal. The whole STC and "the imperium is too dumb to invent anything" bothers me. I know it is dark. Grim dark. But still by all accounts there are so many affluent planets, someone has to be inventing something.

Oh yeah like DA special landspeeders, new air support for marines, and oh IDK - centurians?

If you're playing with friends go for it mate.

I don't think you'll get away with it anywhere else

With some nice conversion work it would be okay.
It could not be a Leman Russ of course, but it could be a different STC that functions a lot like the Leman Russ, so you could use the Leman Russ rules to represent it.