Lord Castellan Mik wrote:Government statistical averages, particularly wages, are blown out of reality especially dependent upon stable population numbers.

In Australia, we have a 25 mil population with a same as rest of the world type of government management system and higher corporations executive management system, however, we do not have the population percentages of workers to make any statistical figure reasonable or average at all.

Mik

ph34r wrote:

Lord Castellan Mik wrote:Government statistical averages, particularly wages, are blown out of reality especially dependent upon stable population numbers.

In Australia, we have a 25 mil population with a same as rest of the world type of government management system and higher corporations executive management system, however, we do not have the population percentages of workers to make any statistical figure reasonable or average at all.

Mik

We can agree, though, that Australian workers are payed a larger numerical amount of their AUD, and pay also a larger numerical amount of their AUD, than American workers are payed and pay for products. Yeah?

ph34r wrote:Honestly I'm a bit confused about the Australian 40kers' indignation about this all.

All in all, AUS players have been getting a relatively massive DISCOUNT compared to US players for quite some time now. Yet, they are extremely vocal and angered by these changes. So now you have to pay the same as everyone else?

ph34r wrote:

We can agree, though, that Australian workers are payed a larger numerical amount of their AUD, and pay also a larger numerical amount of their AUD, than American workers are payed and pay for products. Yeah?

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Sidstyler wrote:$41,000 is the average wage? I'm working full time and I barely make half that.

Welp, that's why they call that minimum wage.

ph34r wrote:

Lord Castellan Mik wrote:Government statistical averages, particularly wages, are blown out of reality especially dependent upon stable population numbers.

In Australia, we have a 25 mil population with a same as rest of the world type of government management system and higher corporations executive management system, however, we do not have the population percentages of workers to make any statistical figure reasonable or average at all.

Mik

We can agree, though, that Australian workers are payed a larger numerical amount of their AUD, and pay also a larger numerical amount of their AUD, than American workers are payed and pay for products. Yeah?

Hi Everyone,



Before we start, if you'd allow me to present a little background about Wayland before we get into the meat of the issue I'd be grateful.



We laid out our little web store back in August 2008, our beginnings were humble, with my brother and I packing orders in a spare room. It wasn't ideal but it was what we had to start with and we grew and grew through the continued business of our loyal customers through four warehouses to our current location. In thirty three months we have gone from a spare room in Essex, UK with my brother and I packing boxes to a global operation with fourteen full time staff which is now positioned as one of the largest if not the largest independent hobby retailer in the world. We run our business today as we always have done, in a professional and ethical manner both within the letter and the spirit of the law. Almost all suppliers like us, customers enjoy our openness and service-oriented outlook and whilst we're realistic enough to know we're not by any means perfect we will always strive to improve to ensure our central tenet of great prices and better service.



Managing such growth has been far from simple; we have experienced growing pains like any business in any sector that has exploded in market share terms. Our growing pains have also been more painful as we continually seek to adjust to a shifting commercial landscape from our dominant supplier, Games Workshop. Like many of you, I believe that Games Workshop produce a fantastic product which gives endless joy to countless people. I am proud to be associated with them. Unsurprisingly, therefore, I read with real concern the statement by the CEO Mark Wells over the new trade terms which effectively prevents us selling Games Workshop supplied products outside Europe. Mark’s statement can be found at: http://www.facebook.com/notes/games-workshop/our-changes-to-european-trading-terms/227996923881812

Mark seems to be clearly of the view that on-line retailers (and we are not purely that, of course given our bricks and mortar presence) “free ride” on the back of Games Workshop’s bricks and mortar outlets. We have sought over the years, and I thought with some success and recognition, to demonstrate to Games Workshop the value that we provide not just in terms of sales but also in terms of pre and after sales service (not to mention our activities at trade fairs), which is clearly equivalent to the service that is provided on the “ground” by bricks and mortar outlets. Quite aside from the legality of Games Workshop’s actions, we are confused by the commercial attitude of Games Workshop which hampers our ability to sell to hobbyists to the clear disadvantage of both Games Workshop (albeit maybe not their retail arm) and the hobbyists themselves.

I will not air anyone’s dirty laundry in public. Therefore, I am writing to Games Workshop separately (its board, lawyers and their principal shareholders) to share my concerns in greater depth. I hope that commercial common sense will prevail and that we can continue to work with Games Workshop to expand their market and bring a great product to as many people as possible at the best price possible. After all, Games Workshop not only has a clear responsibility to the market but also a clear responsibility to its shareholders (which, after all, could be you and me!).

In the meantime, we believe after the announced terms are implemented we shall be able to continue to offer all of our loyal customers the same product range that we offer today. There may be a small lead time to implement but we've been given a rather short period to react. We will comply fully and completely with the new terms and conditions of sale imposed upon us and will not contravene them in any capacity whatsoever (albeit we would not wish that to be seen as acceptance of their legality), all we seek to achieve is that customers both old and new are able to benefit from our view of the market wherever they are located. We all love our hobby.

Over the next few weeks we'll be providing updates as to how the process of implementing these changes is coming along, the chances are we'll use Facebook to disseminate this information as it is a great platform for customers to interact with us and each other.



We look forward to continue to serve you and we always will.



Keep on Wargaming.



Richard.

Wayland Games

rich1231 wrote:Hi everyone, just to let you know we have responded via our facebook page http://www.facebook.com/waylandgamesltd

Thanks

Wayland

adamantium|wang wrote:Incomechat.

There was a bit of manufactured furore here recently when the Government decided to restrict the growth of welfare payments to people earning over $150,000/year. The Opposition took up the cry of "class warfare!" which was duly repeated via the usual shock jocks and news sources. It lasted for all of 3 days after people realised they don't make anywhere near that much. In fact, only 1.5% of taxpayers earn this amount or higher.

I bring this up because it has led to a nice piece of analysis of just how much people in this country actually earn.

We have a very obvious two-speed economy in Australia right now. Up the top end is the mining industry, who (while they do have a considerable rate of turnover these days) are busy digging up as much as they can and shovelling it into the insatiable furnace that is China. We are in the midst of a resources boom that has helped prop up the national economy and contributed hugely to growth. Also in the top end are tradesmen, who are working through a 10 year long housing bubble and a huge skills shortage, and the usual line up of CEOs.

Towards the bottom end is everyone else. The rest of the economy was slugged hard by the GFC and while Federal stimulus spending and lending guarantees staved off the worst, it's not all pretty. Retail in particular has had a hard time, even with stimulus handouts, and a spate of natural disasters has piled on even more bad news.

Because of this skewed economy using the average wage is a poor indicator of what people are actually earning. The top end of town artificially inflates the number as more and more people see their wages slump into lower, already accounted for brackets.

The blog that I linked shows the average weekly ordinary time earnings for full time adults to be just north of $66,000/year, but this mean figure is skewed by our two tier economy. Looking at tax statistics from 2010, he concludes that the median figure for full time workers is just under $55,000/year. This however excludes part time workers and the ever growing number of casual and underemployed workers. Once these people are included, the figure drops to just over $44,000/year. This means half of the Australian workforce earns under $44,000/year, which at current exchange rates is just under 29,000 pounds a year. A far cry from the $66,000 average.

Just something to think on.

rich1231 wrote:Warboss, you have no concerns.

Asuron, can't divulge those figures. We are generally a European retailer but have lots of customers around the world that we intend to keep serving.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:What I don't understand, however, is how it's possible for indies and the like to actually sell the miniatures at lower prices. This is probably a n00b thing to say, but I really don't get it... Don't they pay the same prices as we do on GW.com?

nosferatu1001 wrote:The "reasonable' basis is: you price your products to what each market will bear.

It's why cars are cheaper in some countries than others, and so on.

Just Dave wrote:

Hi Everyone,



Before we start, if you'd allow me to present a little background about Wayland before we get into the meat of the issue I'd be grateful.



We laid out our little web store back in August 2008, our beginnings were humble, with my brother and I packing orders in a spare room. It wasn't ideal but it was what we had to start with and we grew and grew through the continued business of our loyal customers through four warehouses to our current location. In thirty three months we have gone from a spare room in Essex, UK with my brother and I packing boxes to a global operation with fourteen full time staff which is now positioned as one of the largest if not the largest independent hobby retailer in the world. We run our business today as we always have done, in a professional and ethical manner both within the letter and the spirit of the law. Almost all suppliers like us, customers enjoy our openness and service-oriented outlook and whilst we're realistic enough to know we're not by any means perfect we will always strive to improve to ensure our central tenet of great prices and better service.
...............snip................................

Over the next few weeks we'll be providing updates as to how the process of implementing these changes is coming along, the chances are we'll use Facebook to disseminate this information as it is a great platform for customers to interact with us and each other.



We look forward to continue to serve you and we always will.



Keep on Wargaming.



Richard.

Wayland Games

I wonder if they should stop stocking GW products altogether?! Obviously it would significantly cut into their profits and customer base etc. and is probably a bad move business-wise, but Games Workshop doesn't seem to have done anything to acknowledge the service they provide and instead repeatedly kick them in the nads, it seems.