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I do know taht this means that omnimechs will be used almost universally when they're released...

I agree with you guys, though you have to admit it would be alot harder to balance every possible combination on every single mech.....

Never got the wining about hardpoints. Always been fine with me.

Ledabot wrote:Never got the wining about hardpoints. Always been fine with me.

I'm sure ,but some of us have played more than just Mechwarrior 4

Well that's the thing, though, innit? What's an Omnimech if they're all able to have any weapon in any hardpoint?

An omnimech is able to change them out at any time, cheaply. But omnimechs themselves are more expensive.

Changing a non-omnimech is more expensive, but the actual mech is cheaper.

As much as I would love the full customization of the board game or games pre MW4/MC2, the hardpoint system makes sense.

Look at a Catapult. Without the hardpoint system, your giant missile boxes could have PPC's in them, doesn't really make sense. Furthermore, it allows you to see the type of 'Mech and have a general idea of what it's carrying, if not the specific loadout. That's something that's necessary in games. We all play 40K here, just think if you're going up against a tac squad, now you know that there's 1 special weapon and 1 heavy weapon in there, you might not know exactly what it is, but you know it's there. Same thing applies. Just as you wouldn't want to run into a tac squad that has 40 plasma guns, you wouldn't want to run into a Flashman that's actually a missile boat.

Shrike325 wrote:Look at a Catapult. Without the hardpoint system, your giant missile boxes could have PPC's in them

The way they have it set up, the CPLT-C4 variant would be illegal.because you cannot switch your two medium lasers for a small laser so you can have space to upgrade your LRMs to LRM-20s.

This would actually make the catapult lay towards its roll even more.. And you say preventing this is a good thing? Frankly it's stupid.

Also? The CPLT-K does exactly what you described. It's a canon variant, switches out the LRMs for PPCs, adds heat sinks, and drops the lasers for machineguns for anti-infantry duty when it isn't giving direct fire support with its PPCs. The CPLT-H2 has a ppc in one shoulder and a rocket launcher 20 in the other, and the CPLT-K2K upgrades the vehicle with clan technology, along the same line as the CPLT-K.

Melissia wrote:The way they have it set up, the CPLT-C4 variant would be illegal.because you cannot switch your two medium lasers for a small laser so you can have space to upgrade your LRMs to LRM-20s.

Maybe I'm confused by your meaning, but I'm pretty sure I could do that in MW4's system. Is Online's different?

What am I missing here

*shrug*

I don't know yet. Either way it prevents me from using canon variants.

Melissia wrote:

Shrike325 wrote:Look at a Catapult. Without the hardpoint system, your giant missile boxes could have PPC's in them

The way they have it set up, the CPLT-C4 variant would be illegal.because you cannot switch your two medium lasers for a small laser so you can have space to upgrade your LRMs to LRM-20s.

This would actually make the catapult lay towards its roll even more.. And you say preventing this is a good thing? Frankly it's stupid.

Also? The CPLT-K does exactly what you described. It's a canon variant, switches out the LRMs for PPCs, adds heat sinks, and drops the lasers for machineguns for anti-infantry duty when it isn't giving direct fire support with its PPCs. The CPLT-H2 has a ppc in one shoulder and a rocket launcher 20 in the other, and the CPLT-K2K upgrades the vehicle with clan technology, along the same line as the CPLT-K.

They did have the CPLT-K in mechwarrior 4 but they treated it as a diffrent mech because of the hard point system. I don't know what your complaining about since it is there.

Having to treat different versions of the same mech as if it were a different mech entirely just proves that the system is stupid.

Tis true. It's alot like Mech Assault, where a Timber Wolf and a Mad Cat were different mechs.

Melissia wrote:Having to treat different versions of the same mech as if it were a different mech entirely just proves that the system is stupid.

Only as stupid as having the rhino and the predator as different tanks.

Melissia wrote:The way they have it set up, the CPLT-C4 variant would be illegal.because you cannot switch your two medium lasers for a small laser so you can have space to upgrade your LRMs to LRM-20s.

Really?

By my reading that's fine, as the slots are divided according to energy weapons and ballistic weapons, and don't all have to be full. You would just drop the medium lasers, add the small laser, and leave a slot empty.

I think they should have limited it by weight, in terms of what each mount could support, but this system doesn't seem terrible.

Ledabot wrote:

Melissia wrote:Having to treat different versions of the same mech as if it were a different mech entirely just proves that the system is stupid.

Only as stupid as having the rhino and the predator as different tanks.

This post has been Exalted.

Thank you!

Ledabot wrote:

Melissia wrote:Having to treat different versions of the same mech as if it were a different mech entirely just proves that the system is stupid.

Only as stupid as having the rhino and the predator as different tanks.

I don't disagree, but that's irrelevant as modifying something in 40k isn't as common as modifying it in Battletech.

Also, it's a little quick to be jumping to conclusions that the system sucks. We don't really have that much info yet.

IT'S NEVER TOO QUICK TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS!

Heretic.

Neither is it too quick to jump on someones head.

DEATH FROM ABOVE!

I always find it so hard to get them on the head, they always move!

Well on the MW:O forums, they are apparently discussing whether a coolant flush system should be implemented, ignoring the fact that it is a bit later than 3049 IIRC.
Thoughts?

New Mech - the Raven:

What the hell, how did they manage to ruin the raven?

Soladrin wrote:What the hell, how did they manage to ruin the raven?

Dunno, by making him look like a machine rather than a banana on chicken legs?

I liked the rounded shapes. :(

I'm liking the re-imaging of the Mechs personally. The Raven actually looks like something you'd see on the battlefield rather than the RoboTech derivative that it looked like before....

The raven only needs a less tapered nose to look good with its current style.

Looks more like a wolf than a raven. But, still like it. All of the redesigns have been good.

Melissia wrote:The raven only needs a less tapered nose to look good with its current style.

Agreed. It needs to be slightly shorter and less pointed.

Right now I'm calling it the Pinochio Mech.