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Dysartes wrote: Side note - as an actual Englishman, I'd like to apologise on behalf of our nation for any posts from the user operating as "An Actual Englishman" which may have caused offense, discomfort, mild confusion, shaking of heads, slight embarrassment for others, gaps forming in queues, tea getting spilt, etc, etc. It's just not cricket, really.
I actually did spill some tea and puffed my chest in indignation. Your reasoned words have calmed me down however, thank you.
Do you pair want to stop breaking Rule 1 now? Insulting me, gents, is not polite.
I would suggest the pot is calling the kettle black here too, I can think of many a post from you both that has gone down like a soggy biscuit at a tea party and ironically both of the posts above are insulting. Check your own posts before "apologising" on behalf of another, perhaps.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?
... because they have their own codices?
naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!
I'm pretty concerned when we actually fully agree on something. I get people want their things but they shouldn't begrudge someone with an actual codex even one new character model because they feel their ignored children are more deserving.
well it's honestly a pretty self evidant thing, I mean, we can argue weather or not dark angels, blood angels, space wolves etc SHOULD have their own codices until we're blue in the face. but the cold reality is that they do, and in the case of most of the loyalist armies have had them for AGES (Codex Space Wolves dates back to 1994 making them one of the oldest armies with a codex in warhammer 40k) but the fact remains these codices exist.
True, I fear the " You get nothing and like it ! " is more of an anti marine thing than a reasoned excuse as by that logic no marines should get new characters as they all got so much already. Yet, here we are and they all got new characters aside from poor BT, sorry guys.
Stop misrepresenting my argument Angel. I don't begrudge anyone anything. I want model release parity across all factions and that is all. That means we all get the same.
At the moment, as we all know, one faction gets more releases than the other factions combined. I posit that this is bad for the hobby and bad for the game. I can actually evidence this based on the feedback GW have received on their FB page when SM featured in their PA, or when the various supplements were released. I also posit that your expectations as a SW (or even Marine) player are way out of line compared to any other faction because you're used to such a biased release schedule. There's nothing wrong with you wanting Ragnar updated, I actually agree it should absolutely happen because his model is embarrassing. What I find incredible is the expectation that he should be released despite GW apparently stating that there will be only one faction release per PA book (until Saga) because, presumably, you're a Loyalist Marine player. I didn't see GSC expecting a model (despite having a less recent set of releases than SW). I didn't see IG players expecting a model (despite receiving very little for many years now). This is because they knew Shadowsun was getting a model and she was the character for that book. The exact same applies to TS and GK players in Ritual of the Damned. They knew DA were getting the character release for that book so there were no expectations of a release.
You've said you'd be annoyed if SW didn't get an updated character in this release. Why? Do you think players of the factions I've mentioned above - GSC, IG, GK and TS would be justified to be annoyed that they didn't get a release in their PA, despite GW telling them such?
The expectation should be, according to the way most people have interpreted what GW said about the releases for PA, Ghazzy/Makari and that's it (and here's where I bring this ramble on topic).
Edit - I actually think that they will release Ragnar, given the rumour sources and the focus on Makari this week (Ragnar will be next week I think). But this will be the exception, rather than the norm, as other PA releases seem to have stuck to a 'only one faction release per book' schedule.
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Dysartes wrote: Side note - as an actual Englishman, I'd like to apologise on behalf of our nation for any posts from the user operating as "An Actual Englishman" which may have caused offense, discomfort, mild confusion, shaking of heads, slight embarrassment for others, gaps forming in queues, tea getting spilt, etc, etc. It's just not cricket, really.
I actually did spill some tea and puffed my chest in indignation. Your reasoned words have calmed me down however, thank you.
Do you pair want to stop breaking Rule 1 now? Insulting me, gents, is not polite.
I would suggest the pot is calling the kettle black here too, I can think of many a post from you both that has gone down like a soggy biscuit at a tea party and ironically both of the posts above are insulting. Check your own posts before "apologising" on behalf of another, perhaps.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I don't see why Wolves or DA or any other sub faction of Marines (including Chaos Marines) are entitled to special, unique units while no other subfaction is?
... because they have their own codices?
naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! it couldn't be that! That makes entirely too much sense!
I'm pretty concerned when we actually fully agree on something. I get people want their things but they shouldn't begrudge someone with an actual codex even one new character model because they feel their ignored children are more deserving.
well it's honestly a pretty self evidant thing, I mean, we can argue weather or not dark angels, blood angels, space wolves etc SHOULD have their own codices until we're blue in the face. but the cold reality is that they do, and in the case of most of the loyalist armies have had them for AGES (Codex Space Wolves dates back to 1994 making them one of the oldest armies with a codex in warhammer 40k) but the fact remains these codices exist.
True, I fear the " You get nothing and like it ! " is more of an anti marine thing than a reasoned excuse as by that logic no marines should get new characters as they all got so much already. Yet, here we are and they all got new characters aside from poor BT, sorry guys.
Stop misrepresenting my argument Angel. I don't begrudge anyone anything. I want model release parity across all factions and that is all. That means we all get the same.
At the moment, as we all know, one faction gets more releases than the other factions combined. I posit that this is bad for the hobby and bad for the game. I can actually evidence this based on the feedback GW have received on their FB page when SM featured in their PA, or when the various supplements were released. I also posit that your expectations as a SW (or even Marine) player are way out of line compared to any other faction because you're used to such a biased release schedule. There's nothing wrong with you wanting Ragnar updated, I actually agree it should absolutely happen because his model is embarrassing. What I find incredible is the expectation that he should be released despite GW apparently stating that there will be only one faction release per PA book (until Saga) because, presumably, you're a Loyalist Marine player. I didn't see GSC expecting a model (despite having a less recent set of releases than SW). I didn't see IG players expecting a model (despite receiving very little for many years now). This is because they knew Shadowsun was getting a model and she was the character for that book. The exact same applies to TS and GK players in Ritual of the Damned. They knew DA were getting the character release for that book so there were no expectations of a release.
You've said you'd be annoyed if SW didn't get an updated character in this release. Why? Do you think players of the factions I've mentioned above - GSC, IG, GK and TS would be justified to be annoyed that they didn't get a release in their PA, despite GW telling them such?
The expectation should be, according to the way most people have interpreted what GW said about the releases for PA, Ghazzy/Makari and that's it (and here's where I bring this ramble on topic).
Edit - I actually think that they will release Ragnar, given the rumour sources and the focus on Makari this week (Ragnar will be next week I think). But this will be the exception, rather than the norm, as other PA releases seem to have stuck to a 'only one faction release per book' schedule.
This whole argument stemmed from you reading:
"So, I know Space Marines are a wobbly subject, but one thing I find a little funny (and also crap for those who collect them) is that it seems like Space Wolves will be the only first founding chapter not to get a character with their PA book. GW set a bit of a precedent for space marine characters and then the poor Space Wolves don’t get one when it comes around to them.
They seem to be heavily focused on Orks for this book, which is really cool and it’s nice to see a Xenos faction in the lime light instead of power armour. But it still sucks for Space Wolves who’ve been waiting for their reimagined character."
As someone expecting a space wolf model. Alongside Angel's obviously light hearted post. They posed a reasonable and fair argument and your response was to blow up repeatedly about how hard done to orks are and how marines have too many releases. Space wolves last release, model wise, was 2017 from memory. They are not a subfaction of codex space marines, they are an independent army.
You want to keep the thread on topic, then stop overreacting about other peoples wants and space marine releases.
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I for one am overwhelmed by gratitude for all the thematic units and bonuses from adhering to the Codex Astartes given to Black Templars, a Chapter famous for their fanatic adherence to the Codex Astartes, their snipers, long-range fire-support, and infiltration tactics.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
Dudeface wrote: Alongside Angel's obviously light hearted post.
Ah yes. Those 'light hearted' posts of angels. If you say so;
AngryAngel80 wrote: I may fly into a wulfen rage without a redone Ragnar, that damn grandpa munster model needs to be replaced. Ragnar with his two wolves is a must, make it so GW.
AngryAngel80 785234 10721340 wrote:Aside from generic models that every space marine got, what love did space wolves get in 8th that is just theirs exactly ? A primaris wolf guard battle leader with a meh gun and an axe !! Oh my how amazing..you're correct they truly have been the spoiled ones. I feel bad for even mentioning it. Really my cup runs over with the bounty. All that space wolves love. Only thing more bountiful is all the guard model love in 8th. A whole amazing Marbo and one commissar, the blessings are many, it's hard to count.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I'm sorry some people have such hate for all marines they refuse to see the need of a codex getting new characters. Sorry you don't like or agree. I don't fault anyone their toys but don't you deem worthy to tell me I have to bite my tongue on what I would want at the very least, one redone ancient ugly model.
Dudeface wrote:They posed a reasonable and fair argument and your response was to blow up repeatedly about how hard done to orks are and how marines have too many releases. Space wolves last release, model wise, was 2017 from memory. They are not a subfaction of codex space marines, they are an independent army.
You want to keep the thread on topic, then stop overreacting about other peoples wants and space marine releases.
And you claim that I 'blew up'. Gotta love those ad hominems.
Space wolves last release was late last year (Infiltrators etc). I don't care if they are generic marine units - SW can use them and they are new. They are absolutely a sub faction. Astartes are the 'main' faction and your codex justification to claim they are an independent army is feeble at best. It's also wildly off topic. Again.
I have tried to bring this thread on topic and clear some misunderstandings around my points above. I'm not going to respond to any more off topic posts from you, they'll be reported. So far, your entire contribution to this thread seems to be whining about Red Corsairs and personal attacks on me, both of which are off topic. I'm sorry I've upset you (kinda, not really) - if you want to discuss anything with or about me personally you have PMs, otherwise stop derailing while claiming I'm doing so. It's become a chore now.
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Dysartes wrote: Side note - as an actual Englishman, I'd like to apologise on behalf of our nation for any posts from the user operating as "An Actual Englishman" which may have caused offense, discomfort, mild confusion, shaking of heads, slight embarrassment for others, gaps forming in queues, tea getting spilt, etc, etc. It's just not cricket, really.
I actually did spill some tea and puffed my chest in indignation. Your reasoned words have calmed me down however, thank you.
Not a problem, old chap - we can't be having tea being wasted, now, can we?
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Can we please get back on the topic, thought we were talking about "PA: The Saga of the Beast" not "PA: The Saga of Space Marine Releases and how unfair it is for Xenos".
It gets a bit ridiculous that mods have to constantly remind people, who frequent this forum, of the same thing.
Anyways I truely think the preview for Ghaz will be closer to the time of release. Because wasn't Abbadon's reveal closer to the release date? And the importance of this model's release seems to be similar.
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Fexxo wrote: Can we please get back on the topic, thought we were talking about "PA: The Saga of the Beast" not "PA: The Saga of Space Marine Releases and how unfair it is for Xenos".
It gets a bit ridiculous that mods have to constantly remind people, who frequent this forum, of the same thing.
Well said, thank you.
Next person to drag this thread off on some stupid tangent is getting turned into a servitor. Be warned.
The last toy fair around, the "only" reveals we got that year was from the actual fair, correct? There wasn't a separate normal WHC preview article the same day? It just feels strange how many ork articles we're getting if they're not going to show off anything related to it tomorrow..
Maybe Ghaz is put into some sort of Speed Freekz type boardgame but that'd just feel bizarre. I guess maybe they feel like it's more on brand for that fair to show him off if he's in a Orks vs SW boxset but even that doesn't really gel with the stuff that's been shown off previous years.. If it's all quiet on the ork front today&this weekend then I hope they have quite a few articles planned for next week.
PiñaColada wrote: The last toy fair around, the "only" reveals we got that year was from the actual fair, correct? There wasn't a separate normal WHC preview article the same day? It just feels strange how many ork articles we're getting if they're not going to show off anything related to it tomorrow..
Maybe Ghaz is put into some sort of Speed Freekz type boardgame but that'd just feel bizarre. I guess maybe they feel like it's more on brand for that fair to show him off if he's in a Orks vs SW boxset but even that doesn't really gel with the stuff that's been shown off previous years.. If it's all quiet on the ork front today&this weekend then I hope they have quite a few articles planned for next week.
The obvious answer is that we're getting a new boxed set.
I've heard rumours (or have I?) it's called 'Supa Beast Fighter Alpha Third Strike' and comes with 2 'Beast' models and 10 Nobz. It is a battle arena where you pit 'Goff Beast' and mates against 'Bad Moonz Beast' and mates in glorious combat against each other. Beast models representing other clan loyalties will be released separately in standalone boxes but function in the game. The game also comes with 'Sektor Orkanicus' terrain that forms the battle arena. May the best Beast win! WAAAAAGGGHHH!
How about we just refer to all xenos armies as one big faction as well? Would that make sense? (Answer: no it wouldn't).
Why are you getting so sensitive about this? I'm merely stating facts - CSM and SM are the only factions in the game AFAIK that have sub faction specific units and that was my point. I had forgotten about CSM while I was writing my post to be honest because, for some daft reason I forgot that "Death Guard" and "Thousand Sons" were once 'mere' sub factions of CSM like my Evil Sunz are. It's not a diss on Chaos players or attack, just a statement of fact.
Ummm..... because my "subfaction " has as many specific subfaction units as your Evil Sunz? Quick name all the Night Lords specific units you can.
Haarken Worldclaimer!
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jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
How about we just refer to all xenos armies as one big faction as well? Would that make sense? (Answer: no it wouldn't).
Why are you getting so sensitive about this? I'm merely stating facts - CSM and SM are the only factions in the game AFAIK that have sub faction specific units and that was my point. I had forgotten about CSM while I was writing my post to be honest because, for some daft reason I forgot that "Death Guard" and "Thousand Sons" were once 'mere' sub factions of CSM like my Evil Sunz are. It's not a diss on Chaos players or attack, just a statement of fact.
Ummm..... because my "subfaction " has as many specific subfaction units as your Evil Sunz? Quick name all the Night Lords specific units you can.
Haarken Worldclaimer!
Haha. The Black Legion can keep the fether.
His model does make an excellent base for a Claw Lord conversion.
the_scotsman wrote: I mean, except for Harlequins, and Genestealer Cults... A "Spinoff" army is going to sell better than one where you have to totally buy new stuff for.
Just like Death Guard?
Have you all forgotten about the peak of unmodified humanity, the Militarum Tempestus?
One of the three Imperial Guard Troops options, you mean?
Side note - as an actual Englishman, I'd like to apologise on behalf of our nation for any posts from the user operating as "An Actual Englishman" which may have caused offense, discomfort, mild confusion, shaking of heads, slight embarrassment for others, gaps forming in queues, tea getting spilt, etc, etc. It's just not cricket, really.
No, I mean the organization that just got its own set of unique regimental doctrines (along with the one they already had) that are unique from the regular doctrines.
Also, that sorta depends on what you mean by “Imperial Guard,” as that is the umbrella name for everything from the Militarum Vendorum, the Militarum Regimentos, to the Militarum Tempestus. However, most people end up making Militarum Regimentum armies that might have elements from these other institutions under the umbrella while other might not, and call them Imperial Guard.
If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
the_scotsman wrote: I mean, except for Harlequins, and Genestealer Cults... A "Spinoff" army is going to sell better than one where you have to totally buy new stuff for.
Just like Death Guard?
Have you all forgotten about the peak of unmodified humanity, the Militarum Tempestus?
One of the three Imperial Guard Troops options, you mean?
Side note - as an actual Englishman, I'd like to apologise on behalf of our nation for any posts from the user operating as "An Actual Englishman" which may have caused offense, discomfort, mild confusion, shaking of heads, slight embarrassment for others, gaps forming in queues, tea getting spilt, etc, etc. It's just not cricket, really.
No, I mean the organization that just got its own set of unique regimental doctrines (along with the one they already had) that are unique from the regular doctrines.
Also, that sorta depends on what you mean by “Imperial Guard,” as that is the umbrella name for everything from the Militarum Vendorum, the Militarum Regimentos, to the Militarum Tempestus. However, most people end up making Militarum Regimentum armies that might have elements from these other institutions under the umbrella while other might not, and call them Imperial Guard.
Some of those tempestus doctrines are pretty nice. My Night Lords are jealous of those Jackals now.
the_scotsman wrote: I mean, except for Harlequins, and Genestealer Cults... A "Spinoff" army is going to sell better than one where you have to totally buy new stuff for.
Just like Death Guard?
Have you all forgotten about the peak of unmodified humanity, the Militarum Tempestus?
One of the three Imperial Guard Troops options, you mean?
Side note - as an actual Englishman, I'd like to apologise on behalf of our nation for any posts from the user operating as "An Actual Englishman" which may have caused offense, discomfort, mild confusion, shaking of heads, slight embarrassment for others, gaps forming in queues, tea getting spilt, etc, etc. It's just not cricket, really.
No, I mean the organization that just got its own set of unique regimental doctrines (along with the one they already had) that are unique from the regular doctrines.
Also, that sorta depends on what you mean by “Imperial Guard,” as that is the umbrella name for everything from the Militarum Vendorum, the Militarum Regimentos, to the Militarum Tempestus. However, most people end up making Militarum Regimentum armies that might have elements from these other institutions under the umbrella while other might not, and call them Imperial Guard.
Now I kinda want to convert up some Militarum Vendorum food trucks as auxiliaries for a guard force.
I look forward to seeing what all the model releases will be and if space wolves will get a nice nod and maybe, some still hidden model love. Nothing huge, but I still hope for a new Ragnar as it would fill the gap in my line.
Edit: I hope they don't end up with it being stuck in an over expensive dual faction box release. As side speculation what kind of strats do you see in it ? Maybe some thunder wolf specific ones ? Wulfen ones ? I'd love t see more to make the over all core units a bit of a tastier option, like the grey hunter, blood claws, etc, etc. Do some things with the set up to buff the struggling weak choices and maybe especially wolf scouts. Who end up being my fav unit that has only gotten worse and more bland as the books have gone on.
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So do we know for sure Saga of the Beast is just sw and orks? Because if it's just two factions then that means they'll both be getting a lot of new rules.
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Gadzilla666 wrote: So do we know for sure Saga of the Beast is just sw and orks? Because if it's just two factions then that means they'll both be getting a lot of new rules.
Not necessarily. Blood of Baal was just Tyranids and BA and neither got more rules than what's normal for Marines in the case of BA and Xenos in the case of Nids.
Hopefully it is just SW and Orks. Deathwatch could definitely fit as far as the lore is concerned but sharing a book with two Marine factions will not leave much space for xenos rules.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So do we know for sure Saga of the Beast is just sw and orks? Because if it's just two factions then that means they'll both be getting a lot of new rules.
Not necessarily. Blood of Baal was just Tyranids and BA and neither got more rules than what's normal for Marines in the case of BA and Xenos in the case of Nids.
Hopefully it is just SW and Orks. Deathwatch could definitely fit as far as the lore is concerned but sharing a book with two Marine factions will not leave much space for xenos rules.
Not necessarily. The sm factions could share all the copy paste datasheets. Is there really that much difference between a sw or Deathwatch primaris? (If I'm wrong I'm sure sm players will correct me).
Gadzilla666 wrote: So do we know for sure Saga of the Beast is just sw and orks? Because if it's just two factions then that means they'll both be getting a lot of new rules.
Not necessarily. Blood of Baal was just Tyranids and BA and neither got more rules than what's normal for Marines in the case of BA and Xenos in the case of Nids.
Hopefully it is just SW and Orks. Deathwatch could definitely fit as far as the lore is concerned but sharing a book with two Marine factions will not leave much space for xenos rules.
Not necessarily. The sm factions could share all the copy paste datasheets. Is there really that much difference between a sw or Deathwatch primaris? (If I'm wrong I'm sure sm players will correct me).
Some Marine players think there is - although there is not. That ship sank with the hope they would not wast all those dozens of pages with the same datasheets with a word or two chnaged to make them "Darker" or "Wulfer" or "Blooder"...most Chapters call something slightly different names but hey gotta Wulf Wulf to the MAX.
Deathwatch does not really use different Marine units either, they use them in different ways and have access to some speclaised weapons and/or Xenos equipment to test. At least now they can inlcude Inquisitors without an issue.
We know what this will look like
30-40- pages of Space Wulf datasheets + maybe 10 pages of lore showing just how super Wulfy they are - I really hope the Sisters Name list and Order options stay out this mess.
Orks will get whats left - so a couple of cool models and some new strats relics -which should be fun.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
So a repeat of the same pattern every other book has followed. With the exception of Phoenix Rising of course, only because it didn't feature loyalist marines.
Craftworld Eldar are pretty much the same as loyalist marines. Even Gulliman thinks so
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Jidmah wrote: Craftworld Eldar are pretty much the same as loyalist marines. Even Gulliman thinks so
Craftworld Eldar are probably easier for Imperial humans to understand - epsecially their military. They have citizen soliders (pdf) and elite super-eldar warriors (Astartes/Sororitas) - sounds familiar - they even wear nice bright colours like the Astartes.
More than that few Humans will be aware......
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
MajorWesJanson wrote: Now I kinda want to convert up some Militarum Vendorum food trucks as auxiliaries for a guard force.
Are we sure that the Militarum Vendorum are the logistics / commissary / camp followers of the guard? Vendorum isn't Latin, but it is obviously related to the verb 'vendo' to sell which could mean a force which sells things to the guard, but might also refer to mercenaries; either the Imperium's equivalent of PMC, tolerated xenos mercenaries, or Imperial forces which are provided as mercenaries for xenos (the last might seem unlikely given the Imperium's xenophobia, but the RT-era ork books had guardsmen working for Blood Axes in order to guide the orks into conflicts which ultimately helped the Imperium). Alternatively, it could mean troops who work for Rogue Traders.
