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Alright so, at my local game store we have alot of players wholly entrenched in the meta. broadside missiles forever, and hell-drakes, I have an ork force i want to bring out there and i want to break the meta. Basically i want to run a non-meta list that can show them that the meta isn't the be all win all. I know the meta is good, but its honestly made the games boring as anyone got any suggestions? i already know about speed freaks but that as a focus of the army just feels... meta.

You could spam battlewagons full of meganobz and burna boys. There isn't anything that broadsides (missiles) can do to AV 14.

Rush their lines, burnaboys will destroy anyone hiding in cover with 10+ templates and the meganobz will survive against helldrakes and have no issues with tearing anything apart.

There is a reason it's the meta, after all.

go green tide....if you want to make them sad put 200+ models on the table

2x megaboss plus meganobz in dedicated wagons
2x burnas in wagons
1 lootaz in wagon for anti-air is a good start.

2 X 30man shoota blobs.
Some Kopta's with twin linked missiles.
Some 12 lootas.
Maybe a Nob blob with a Big-Mech with field in there.
They make pretty much anyone worry and you can flavor as you see fit within that.

 ironicsilence wrote:
go green tide....if you want to make them sad put 200+ models on the table

QFT.

Best way to break the meta is to give them too much to shoot at. Play at 2,000 points with double FOC and take 12 maxed out squads of boys.

Even at the 1250 mark, green tide games take hours and hours to play. Moving 30 boyz x 2 or 3 is very tiresome.

 3orangewhips wrote:
Even at the 1250 mark, green tide games take hours and hours to play. Moving 30 boyz x 2 or 3 is very tiresome.

Meh, spending lots of time on your turn annoys the cheesaeball players.

 ironicsilence wrote:
go green tide....if you want to make them sad put 200+ models on the table

I second this idea.

There shale be no place to place your helldrakes.

 sing your life wrote:

 3orangewhips wrote:
Even at the 1250 mark, green tide games take hours and hours to play. Moving 30 boyz x 2 or 3 is very tiresome.

Meh, spending lots of time on your turn annoys the cheesaeball players.

Agreed (the people I play are pretty gracious).

It's a total hassle to transport them everywhere though. But an awesome sight when your opponent wanders back over to the table 30 minutes after your started deploying and sees 100+ boys arrayed against him.

Make up some movement trays with the boyz all placed the maximum 2" distance from each other so templates are ineffective. Put a stick with a loop in the middle so you can just pick up and move the entire squad.

also best to not even bother painting the models, that way you can store them in a shoe box and deploy them in a pile by the handful

Freman Bloodglaive wrote:
Make up some movement trays with the boyz all placed the maximum 2" distance from each other so templates are ineffective. Put a stick with a loop in the middle so you can just pick up and move the entire squad.

Homemade trays would help alot! That's what makes it easy to move my 150+ Skaven rats around the board in fantasy.
Only problem is when there is a bunch of terrain you will have to not use the trays or avoid terrain


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To actually talk about breaking the meta do it lol
Games are more fun with unpredictable armies that not many use!

That's why your movement trays only hold eight or so boys each.

I give a bunch of kids at my club a few bucks to move my guardsmen horde for me. I move the first models and they move the rest. Makes moving a few hundred men a lot easier.

 Swastakowey wrote:
I give a bunch of kids at my club a few bucks to move my guardsmen horde for me. I move the first models and they move the rest. Makes moving a few hundred men a lot easier.

Hahaha really? That's hilarious if you actually do that movement is fun just go fast and sloppy lol

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I give a bunch of kids at my club a few bucks to move my guardsmen horde for me. I move the first models and they move the rest. Makes moving a few hundred men a lot easier.

Hahaha really? That's hilarious if you actually do that movement is fun just go fast and sloppy lol

They micromanage my special weapons etc too which is cool. If they are busy i am stuck moving them in my enemies movement phase.

wow this topic really took off. i suppose i should explain.

Basically the focus on the meta has become so mcuh so that the people there tend to squash out all creativity. If its not meta dont even talk about it. So i want to bring an anti-meta army to completely prove my point that there is mroe tot he game than meta. the boy spam seems attractive although, i also like the battlewagon spam as well. perhaps i can do both, battlewagon deffrollas with full squads of boyz inside smash them into the enemy's lines and then disgorge my masive waaaagh all over the place. that seems te best option. I was basically laughed at for suggesting orks, and told i am going to never win any games =_=

 umbraflamma wrote:
wow this topic really took off. i suppose i should explain.

Basically the focus on the meta has become so mcuh so that the people there tend to squash out all creativity. If its not meta dont even talk about it. So i want to bring an anti-meta army to completely prove my point that there is mroe tot he game than meta. the boy spam seems attractive although, i also like the battlewagon spam as well. perhaps i can do both, battlewagon deffrollas with full squads of boyz inside smash them into the enemy's lines and then disgorge my masive waaaagh all over the place. that seems te best option. I was basically laughed at for suggesting orks, and told i am going to never win any games =_=

I know how you feel. There are people like that on this forum (cough preregrine cough). My advice would be to get a friend who plays like you (if possible) and just play him. Have fun. I dont know whats its like in your area but power gamers dont have much to laugh and talk about in their games. Make it into a narrative and do things for the hell of it. They will notice and eventually change. My group went through an ish similar phase. We had an arms race but we werent having fun. So we all have a fluffy army each and well our competative armies are gathering dust.

Teach them buy example, its easier with 2 people.

Ya got slightly off topic there my bad if I did haha

If you have lots of tau players who run triple riptides etc it would be fun to bring a completely fun tau list.
I know you want to play orks which would be fun for sure but playing a competitive tau list with a fun tau list is awesome.

Running something like
Xv8 commander with whatever
Kroot a bunch
A bunch of 6 man stealth suits
A group of piranhas
A sunshark bomber
Some vespids
Sniper drones

I would play a list like that... Would show other people who play tau it's fun to play a wacky list. Vespids and sniper drones might be bad ideas though but bring some xv8s and pathfinder instead would make it more competitive but still fun as heck!

 Swastakowey wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I give a bunch of kids at my club a few bucks to move my guardsmen horde for me. I move the first models and they move the rest. Makes moving a few hundred men a lot easier.

Hahaha really? That's hilarious if you actually do that movement is fun just go fast and sloppy lol

They micromanage my special weapons etc too which is cool. If they are busy i am stuck moving them in my enemies movement phase.

Hahaha, oh my god, that is brilliant, you've finally found a use for small children...besides coal mining that is!

Realease da Green Tide!
Remember: More Boyz than Toyz.

Some armies that are min-maxed won't even be able to shoot all the boyz. That is at least 180 in troops and some in elite and some more in fast.
In case you didn't know what to do, just put some even moar boyz.

Actually, also, back on topic, Swastakowey has a very good point about teaching by example. I have a mate who is a super power gamer and I can't stand it, so I started setting up all sorts of narrative games etc and now we both have a lot more fun!

Nobz, stuffed in battlewagons, with lootaz on skyshield. If you can Gaz into combat, that helps too.

Maybe also talk to the group and let them know that it doesnt take the most skilled general to win with a meta army, it takes more skill to win with a random crap army

I got tired of the current meta of the game because I play Dark Angels and our meta is being useless outside of bringing Forgeworld cheese. We're overcosted and our units that should be great (terminators, black knights) are just really expensive units that die just as quickly to the high strength, ignores cover, AP2 weapons in abundance between the Eldar and Tau armies.

I played against a guy who brought the R'Varna Battlesuit off Forgeworld. I said "Sure, why not" when he asked if he could bring it. It was the last game I played casually down at the hobby store, and last game I will likely play unless something gives in a new edition. 15 terminators got into assault with it. I didn't expect the power sword sergeants to do much and they didn't. I expected the rest of the squad to thump the crap out of it with the 24 power fist attacks a turn. Nope. I hurt it a whopping 2 points of damage in 4 flippin' assault phases and it managed to murder 3 of my terminators no problem.

The shame of it is people would rather win than have fun. The only guy I play with still is a guy who has his own table he built when he was 15 and has been playing the game since he was like 7 years old. He runs very 4th Edition lists because he finds them the most fluffy and fun, and we have a blast. None of the OP units like Heldrakes and Riptides. We've even started to come up with narrative ideas for uneven gameplay matches where one of the two of us know we're going to lose but it creates story and legend, and more importantly inside jokes and laughter.

TL;DR Break the meta by just not playing against guys who are purely in it to win it. Also, make your miniatures look better than theirs.

 Jihadnik wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I give a bunch of kids at my club a few bucks to move my guardsmen horde for me. I move the first models and they move the rest. Makes moving a few hundred men a lot easier.

Hahaha really? That's hilarious if you actually do that movement is fun just go fast and sloppy lol

They micromanage my special weapons etc too which is cool. If they are busy i am stuck moving them in my enemies movement phase.

Hahaha, oh my god, that is brilliant, you've finally found a use for small children...besides coal mining that is!

and the above "Child labour" technique works for a Tyranid swarm and Blobs of IG too.

SYKOJAK wrote:

 Jihadnik wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:
I give a bunch of kids at my club a few bucks to move my guardsmen horde for me. I move the first models and they move the rest. Makes moving a few hundred men a lot easier.

Hahaha really? That's hilarious if you actually do that movement is fun just go fast and sloppy lol

They micromanage my special weapons etc too which is cool. If they are busy i am stuck moving them in my enemies movement phase.

Hahaha, oh my god, that is brilliant, you've finally found a use for small children...besides coal mining that is!

and the above "Child labour" technique works for a Tyranid swarm and Blobs of IG too.

Haha, never thought id be apart of the slave network... just takes training to avoid damaged models.

You know what, i'd like to take this thread in a different direction. Post the fluffiest most anti meta lists you can imagine. Bonus points if they are actually feasible to win. Also SRSface if you weren't in utah id play you with a kickass narrative. I love writing stories, hell i've been known to write fiction based on the games i had. Also worth mentioning, My Tau army (which i've loved since 08 but could only play last year) is actually called sept "O'taku" and they are all painted like gundams. i do have a single riptide, not because i want to win everything but because i jsut love the look of it, i have a thing for gatling guns.