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So last night I got my first taste of this BS weapon. Playing against chaos, my warlord was challenged by his warlord. Ok cool, let's do this. I took a wound and failed my toughness test. Even though I had the eternal shield, with eternal warrior. I had to remove my lord. Supposedly because he didn't die. He gets removed. I looked at the chaos rule book and it doesn't specify that it also works this way against characters with eternal warrior.

Is this really the rule?

Also, does he then get slay the warlord? He didn't kill my warlord, he just removed him from the table.

There is no way to remove a model without it being a casualty as per the brb.

What does EW say about RFP effects?

Well reading that Black Mace states that you "remove the model as a casualty" I would have to go with yes.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
There is no way to remove a model without it being a casualty as per the brb.

What does EW say about RFP effects?

This is the Cursed special rule the "The Black Mace" has.

The Black Mace is not OP. If you got into combat with a Daemon Prince expect to die if you aren't on par with both the wounds it has, or if you can't strike first with str 10 weapons.

If you got into combat with a Lord of Chaos who is wielding The Black Mace, then you had a bad case of simply bad rolls. Because his str is no where near the requires to offset your toughness, he is also forced to use the AP of his weapon (ap4) since he isn't a MC. (Which gets the benefit of AP2 just FYI)

The Black Mace has it's role. Throw it on a Daemon Prince and hope he survives long enough to squash someone. If you focus fire on that Daemon Prince, it WILL die. Daemon Princes are garbage this edition with the lack of EW and the only way they are good, is it you firstly invest over 350 Points into them to take Mastery Levels in hopes of a lucky roll on Biomancy for Iron Arm.

My Master of the forge had two wounds, I was carrying the Shield Eternal which gives you Eternal Warrior. I took a wound from the Black Mace and failed the toughness test.

I was down to one wound and was forced to remove my warlord from the table. Even though this is the rule for Eternal Warrior

Remove as casualty is not instant death.

Johnny, what the hell are you doing posting copyright material on this forum? It's 1) illegal and has gotten sites shut down by GW and 2) against the rules.

Removed as a casualty is not the same as losing a last wound but losing your last wound causes you to be removed as a casualty. EW only prevents certain rules that cause you to lose all your wounds not the effect of the black mace. I told you where to look, the EW rule. What you didn't do was read and understand what you were reading fully. EW only deals with ID not RFP(aaC).

As long as entire pages of the codex aren't posted, it is okay to occasionally link to screenshots of sections of the codex as part of a rules discussion.

But you certainly shouldn't do it regularly, and you need to host it on a different site (not attached to a post, as that means it uploads to our server)

I'm removing the pics, so please make sure don't do that again in the future.

Thanks.

Ok, I know now. Didn't think it was a big deal considering GW hasn't gone after google for the millions of images on there


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 Dozer Blades wrote:
Remove as casualty is not instant death.

So if he removed me from the board, he didn't slay me then?

Your warlord was slain as he was removed as a casualty.

The black mace on it's own is not broken. What people tend to do with it, is.

My terminator lord with mace scoffs at your WAAC attitudes and bids you good day.

Lol marine player with grav guns complaining about the black mace.

Know what I wish? I wish I could buy my lord a 3+ invul save at all, much less EW as well. But anyway...

Yes. The mace kills you. Even if you're Marneus Calgar. Even if you're another daemon prince that DOES have eternal warrior.

The mace is only "broken" if they smash and get 3+d6 attacks all at strength 10, since you apply multipliers before modifiers.

not to mention rolling a 1 with a daemon weapon means a nice waste of an assault phase...

it does come with some risk, soooo not exactly broken.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
not to mention rolling a 1 with a daemon weapon means a nice waste of an assault phase...

it does come with some risk, soooo not exactly broken.

Unless you're GKs and the Inquisition.
For some reason their Daemons Weapons don't hurt them at all...Why? No one knows....

GoliothOnline wrote:
If you got into combat with a Lord of Chaos who is wielding The Black Mace, then you had a bad case of simply bad rolls. Because his str is no where near the requires to offset your toughness, he is also forced to use the AP of his weapon (ap4) since he isn't a MC. (Which gets the benefit of AP2 just FYI)

Yeah except that the Mace have fleshbane, wich make him laugh at your Thoughness.