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Greetings! We're extremely excited to reach out to such a talented community of artists. We're Partial Arc, a gaming company currently developing a new board game set for release later this year and we're looking for some talented individuals to help bring our game and world to life.

We need 3D artists familiar with modeling humanoid and non-humanoid figures in high definition to be used for printing. These figures will be printed at the 28mm scale.

We unfortunately do not have the funds at this time to provide direct compensation, but what we can offer is full accreditation for your work with every game shipped. We will also provide every artist who participates a free full copy of the game after release.

Thank you for your time, if interested, please feel free to PM me anytime!

Oh good, the classic "we'll give you credit" scam. Please have respect for your employees and pay them.

Whereas I meant no disrespect, not all start-ups immediately come into funds or have funds prior to launch. i apologize if that was the impression given, but I assure you this isn't a scam.

Put plainly, we simply don't have the funds to hire anyone for anything other than accreditation, as myself and my two coworkers are working on the side entirely out of pocket and in our free time.

We had a friend doing the modeling for us, but unfortunately his life has recently fallen too far into flux, and his schedule is not consistent enough for us to properly plan a release.

Again, I apologize if this offended anyone, we are just in a bit of a bind right now...

Save your pennies and actually pay an artist, its not hard and you'll get better results. A copy of a game is never equivalent to hundreds of hours of work sculpting figures.

http://www.shouldiworkforfree.com/

No matter what, Flow Charts get me to giggle

I have learned very quickly You get what you pay for.

Paying nothing gets you...

An empty space at the end of an open ended sentence?

Partial Arc LLC. wrote:
Put plainly, we simply don't have the funds to hire anyone for anything other than accreditation, as myself and my two coworkers are working on the side entirely out of pocket and in our free time. ...

In that case, not to be rude, but it doesn't sound like you're in a financial position to realistically be releasing a game at all.

Unless there is some reason that you need to rush the game out into production, I would recommend taking time to either save up the funds you need, or look around at some sort of financing. Scrimping on the design phase is not the way to wind up with a successful product.

Is anyone else more than a little offended that the partner or other person in this business basically went all 'I'm so saddened and disappointed' when we didn't just willingly give them free work?

How insulting to the artists.

 curran12 wrote:
Is anyone else more than a little offended that the partner or other person in this business basically went all 'I'm so saddened and disappointed' when we didn't just willingly give them free work?.

Given that this didn't actually happen, no, not particularly.

Whatever your opinion of the actual request here, let's keep it polite and not try to turn this into a bigger issue that it actually is. If you're not interested in working for the stated conditions, that's fine. There is nothing to be offended about... there are less-well-established artists out there who are happy to work for credit for the sake of building up their portfolio. It's not an insult to those who aren't willing to do so.

I think Curran was reffering to the locked thread just below where he said the person had received a lot of criticism and what not when there were, what, two responses so far? Unless they are unrelated...

He was, but that thread was a trainwreck and there isn't much use bringing it up here. This guy sounds much more gathered and more willing to communicate, so let's stick to what's being presented in this thread.

Partial Arc LLC. wrote:
Whereas I meant no disrespect, not all start-ups immediately come into funds or have funds prior to launch.

Then you either need to do the work yourself until you have enough of a game to get money, or you sign a contract for future payment (and expect to lose your house/car/etc to pay that debt if your game doesn't sell). It's incredibly arrogant and disrespectful to ask people to donate work to a for-profit business.

 insaniak wrote:
There is nothing to be offended about... there are less-well-established artists out there who are happy to work for credit for the sake of building up their portfolio. It's not an insult to those who aren't willing to do so.

I disagree very strongly with that. This isn't an isolated incident, it's part of a larger pattern of for-profit businesses acting like artists/photographers/writers/etc aren't valuable labor and should just be thankful for having an opportunity to do their art. Letting people do it without harsh criticism makes other people think that it's ok to do the same, and cuts paying jobs in favor of finding desperate people to do the work for free. You wouldn't think it would be acceptable for Walmart to ask people to volunteer in their stores because it will give them valuable experience to put on their resume, so why should it be acceptable for other businesses to do the same thing?

Has the money to set up an LLC.

Doesn't have the money to pay an artist for work.

Someone seems to have there business priorities wrong right from the start.

The problem is this is a sign of what is happening more and more. In a world where physical goods are becoming cheaper but intellectual property is becoming more complex and more valuable people are more and more trying to assign value to things based on the cost of the raw materials rather than the work.

 insaniak wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Is anyone else more than a little offended that the partner or other person in this business basically went all 'I'm so saddened and disappointed' when we didn't just willingly give them free work?.

Given that this didn't actually happen, no, not particularly.

Whatever your opinion of the actual request here, let's keep it polite and not try to turn this into a bigger issue that it actually is. If you're not interested in working for the stated conditions, that's fine. There is nothing to be offended about... there are less-well-established artists out there who are happy to work for credit for the sake of building up their portfolio. It's not an insult to those who aren't willing to do so.

I believe that curran12 was referencing this prior thread which was closed at the OP's request. The LLC is mentioned by name in it also; http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/576489.page

 Steve steveson wrote:
Has the money to set up an LLC.

Doesn't have the money to pay an artist for work.

Someone seems to have there business priorities wrong right from the start.

The problem is this is a sign of what is happening more and more. In a world where physical goods are becoming cheaper but intellectual property is becoming more complex and more valuable people are more and more trying to assign value to things based on the cost of the raw materials rather than the work.

In fairness you can set up an LLC for as little as $99, which given the other prospect of unlimited liability seems a wise investment.

So if the company flops the workers do not have to be paid? Is there a possible work around for this?

Legally they would have to be paid, but the place that money could come from would be limited. So in reality they could end up being paid nothing if the company has no assets to liquidate.

The idea behind an LLC is to limit your personal liability in case the company's debts go unpaid. There is some personal liability but it really comes down to the specific laws in the area in question.

 Cyporiean wrote:
http://www.shouldiworkforfree.com/

Spoiler:

This is my 4th favorite thing ever.

Well I think we're done here really.

Good luck with the project as/when/if it is ever released