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2014/02/06 06:20:40
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
he urban legend of getting “trapped” by a kid just went up a notch. A woman is forcing a man to pay child support for a baby she had without his knowledge. How did she do it? She performed oral, saved the sperm, put it in a tube, and impregnated herself.
Obviously, her former love is outraged that the woman is attempting to receive financial assistance for a child that he not only had no knowledge about, but also was not exactly a willing participant in creating. He would like to claim theft, but can’t, since the law states he did willingly give his sperm away, even if it wasn’t in the natural way a baby is made.
black-couple
The woman: Dr. Sharon Irons, accused of a “calculated, profound personal betrayal.” The man: Dr. Richard O. Phillips, suing for emotional distress as he was ordered to pay $800 a month in child support after a paternity suit that Dr. Irons filed proved he was the father of her child. Dr. Phillips had no idea about the child for almost two years. The child is now 5-years-old.
Fraud and theft claims have been dismissed by lower and higher courts. Apparently, there’s a thin line between deceitfully engaging in physical acts and consensual relations.
According to the law, Dr. Phillips’ sperm wasn’t stolen; it was given away, for Dr. Irons to use as she pleased.
The ruling stated, “When [the] plaintiff ‘delivered’ his sperm, it was a gift — an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a done. There was no agreement that the original deposit would be returned upon request.”
There is no word on whether or not Dr. Phillips is an active participant in the child’s life, as he continues to state that he feels “trapped in a nightmare”.
What do you think? Should Dr. Phillips have to pay or is this an outrageous crime committed against him?
By this logic a women could track down a sperm bank donor and force him to pay child support. I do believe that has already happened at least once actually.
There's a point where accountability ends, and crazy stalker "I want to wear your skin" psycho begins. And saving the backwash from oral sex just to impregnate oneself tends to go well past that line.
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2014/02/06 06:31:31
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
Did you actually read that article you linked? It says very clearly that the issue wasn't the donation, it was the fact that the donor didn't follow the proper procedures for getting it done and was therefore indistinguishable from a father saying "but I'm just a sperm donor" to get out of child support. Is it a stupid law? Yes, but that doesn't mean it says what you claim it does.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2014/02/06 06:33:22
Subject: Re:Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
Did you actually read that article you linked? It says very clearly that the issue wasn't the donation, it was the fact that the donor didn't follow the proper procedures for getting it done and was therefore indistinguishable from a father saying "but I'm just a sperm donor" to get out of child support. Is it a stupid law? Yes, but that doesn't mean it says what you claim it does.
It's a technicality and it was handed according to the law, albeit a bit disappointing that the couple is apparently unable or unwilling to raise the child without outside financial support. The first case is the completely absurd one.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
2014/02/06 07:20:58
Subject: Re:Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/02/06 07:22:28
Subject: Re:Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
trexmeyer wrote: Cut and paste from the website. They had the following image in the article and image title is black-couple.
You know, I still find that a lot more interesting than the story.
Not that I'm not interested in the story, I mean what kind of crazy lady plots such a strange was to get pregnant, and how much crazier is it then claim child support two years later? And what kind of jerk then leaves his kid with such a crazy lady, fighting her for theft and emotional distress but not custody. Weird stuff.
But I'm still more interested in the 'black couple' thing. Why pick some random black couple for the article? Were the actual couple black? And why not use a picture of them? Weird stuff.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/02/06 08:23:34
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
trexmeyer wrote: Cut and paste from the website. They had the following image in the article and image title is black-couple.
You know, I still find that a lot more interesting than the story.
Not that I'm not interested in the story, I mean what kind of crazy lady plots such a strange was to get pregnant, and how much crazier is it then claim child support two years later? And what kind of jerk then leaves his kid with such a crazy lady, fighting her for theft and emotional distress but not custody. Weird stuff.
But I'm still more interested in the 'black couple' thing. Why pick some random black couple for the article? Were the actual couple black? And why not use a picture of them? Weird stuff.
I don't know if you looked at the website, but I'm pretty sure it is targeted at African-Americans based on the other pictures and articles.
The only way we can ever solve anything is to look in the mirror and find no enemy
2014/02/06 09:02:42
Subject: Re:Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
trexmeyer wrote: Cut and paste from the website. They had the following image in the article and image title is black-couple.
Not that I'm not interested in the story, I mean what kind of crazy lady plots such a strange was to get pregnant, and how much crazier is it then claim child support two years later? And what kind of jerk then leaves his kid with such a crazy lady, fighting her for theft and emotional distress but not custody. Weird stuff.
I wouldn't exactly be jumping with joy with the idea of an "out of the blue" child, either. Those 800$ a month would certainly be my biggest worry too, I mean, wtf, he's being ripped off in such a shameless way, this is nuts.
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
2014/02/06 09:24:42
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
he urban legend of getting “trapped” by a kid just went up a notch. A woman is forcing a man to pay child support for a baby she had without his knowledge. How did she do it? She performed oral, saved the sperm, put it in a tube, and impregnated herself.
Obviously, her former love is outraged that the woman is attempting to receive financial assistance for a child that he not only had no knowledge about, but also was not exactly a willing participant in creating. He would like to claim theft, but can’t, since the law states he did willingly give his sperm away, even if it wasn’t in the natural way a baby is made.
black-couple
The woman: Dr. Sharon Irons, accused of a “calculated, profound personal betrayal.” The man: Dr. Richard O. Phillips, suing for emotional distress as he was ordered to pay $800 a month in child support after a paternity suit that Dr. Irons filed proved he was the father of her child. Dr. Phillips had no idea about the child for almost two years. The child is now 5-years-old.
Fraud and theft claims have been dismissed by lower and higher courts. Apparently, there’s a thin line between deceitfully engaging in physical acts and consensual relations.
According to the law, Dr. Phillips’ sperm wasn’t stolen; it was given away, for Dr. Irons to use as she pleased. The ruling stated, “When [the] plaintiff ‘delivered’ his sperm, it was a gift — an absolute and irrevocable transfer of title to property from a donor to a done. There was no agreement that the original deposit would be returned upon request.”
There is no word on whether or not Dr. Phillips is an active participant in the child’s life, as he continues to state that he feels “trapped in a nightmare”.
What do you think? Should Dr. Phillips have to pay or is this an outrageous crime committed against him?
By this logic a women could track down a sperm bank donor and force him to pay child support. I do believe that has already happened at least once actually.
Nothing wrong with this judgement, except that 800$ in monthly child support seems really high. I guess it isn't by Dr standards... If the father wants to avoid making those payments, he can sue for custody.
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2014/02/06 09:29:36
Subject: Re:Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
She performed oral, saved the sperm, put it in a tube, and impregnated herself.
I really can't understand how you can go from that to thinking that such a judgment is acceptable.
Because attributing child support is done in the interest of the children. If that man wanted to fight that (clearly unhinged) women, the proper method was to sue for custody of the child. That way, she doesn't get child support, he does, and he's protecting the child.
There was no ground to sue for theft or fraud because it wasn't theft nor fraud. It was deceitful, but that's not in itself illegal.
[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator.
2014/02/06 10:41:22
Subject: Re:Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
She performed oral, saved the sperm, put it in a tube, and impregnated herself.
I really can't understand how you can go from that to thinking that such a judgment is acceptable.
Because attributing child support is done in the interest of the children. If that man wanted to fight that (clearly unhinged) women, the proper method was to sue for custody of the child. That way, she doesn't get child support, he does, and he's protecting the child.
There was no ground to sue for theft or fraud because it wasn't theft nor fraud. It was deceitful, but that's not in itself illegal.
So, he'd be forced to take the child? What if he didn't want kids? Now he MUST take the kid because the woman decided to do such a blasphemous plan? It's ridiculous!
"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill
2014/02/06 10:54:48
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
Also, child should be taken away from that woman, either by the father or child protective services.
I have to agree here. Protective services seems like the best bet. It sounds like the father has no interest in the child, and this woman is clearly not entirely in the right mind.
2014/02/06 11:36:28
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
Doubtful, as they already ruled that he left a "gift" for her that was given freely.... However, I can see where you're coming from in regards to the ultimate outcome of that "gift". Plus, there weren't really any other indicators, or mentions of body parts normally "required" for a rape to occur.
2014/02/06 11:38:46
Subject: Man forced to pay child support for absolutely absurd reasons
Doubtful, as they already ruled that he left a "gift" for her that was given freely.... However, I can see where you're coming from in regards to the ultimate outcome of that "gift". Plus, there weren't really any other indicators, or mentions of body parts normally "required" for a rape to occur.
So it's not rape if you use a different hole? Good to know.
