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So I'm currently making a idea or a game setup.

Its going to be int he Trenches, with the Death Korp basically fighting attrition warfare and flooding no man's land with artillery which equals a lot of dead people
But i need some help on deciding what army they would fight against in the trenches. This isn't just for the game though, i think this could be used for my DKOK siege regiment which I'm fielding-The Death Korp 92nd siege regiment.

So I've been thinking of it: who would probably be fighting a long war against the DKOK in the trenches.

Tau-Shooty Shooty, but i just can't see them Bright guys in the Trenches.

Chaos space marines/ Space Marines-I could never see these guys in attrition based warfare for hours, they are the more charge in and kill everything.

Chaos Heretics-Possible, very possible. Only problem is that they don't really have any artillery and can't hold a trench by themselves.

Eldar/ Dark Eldar-Naaah, not very gritty and trenchy…the DE don't feel like they would hang out in a trench either.

Necrons-Hmmm, maybe. But i think they would just swarm the DKOK, possible for the DKOK to just gun them down like in a WW1 movie. But would be pretty short lived.

Chaos Daemons-Like i said…just swarming.

Tyranids-"Quartermaster! we are bombarding!" KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKE….no.

Any help?.

 Archie The Death Rider wrote:

Tau-Shooty Shooty, but i just can't see them Bright guys in the Trenches.

Tau don't believe in trench or siege warfare. It's against their tactical doctrines to be tied down fighting in one place too long.


Iron Warriors LOVE it, though.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Archie The Death Rider wrote:

Tau-Shooty Shooty, but i just can't see them Bright guys in the Trenches.

Tau don't believe in trench or siege warfare. It's against their tactical doctrines to be tied down fighting in one place too long.


Iron Warriors LOVE it, though.

I suppose Iron warriors would actually.

Them and some heretics would make a good enemy.

generally speaking an Iron warriors seige army is going to likely be a mix of Iron warriors and "Slave warriors" so you'd have mostly cultists manning the trenchworks and doing the drudge work. the Iron Warriors themselves would be used in a shock role, exploiting breaches made by the canon fodder etc

^ What these said. Iron Warriors would be all over that ****. In fact, one of my fluff ideas for a chaos army is exactly that. It's basically traitor guard dressed up as a dedicated force of chaos soldiers, a la Blood Pact/Sons of Sek. They combine the ferocious loyalty of cultists with the tactical dicipline of professional troops. They're a militia raised and trained on Medrengard itself. My idea is that the grand company's MO is to use the militia to man the artillery and lay seige to the objective, have slave labour work the actual guns, shift all the munitions, fuel the motor pool, etc, send in waves of daemon engines and militia against the walls to make a few holes, and finally the actual Iron Warriors (there are relatively few), representing the HQ/Elite force, appear and storm the breaches in the thick of the slaughter where they love to be. Finally the cult troops swarm in and mop up once the fortress is down/objective is taken.

If I ever get the ridiculous amount of money it would take to bring this idea into physical being, I'll be sure to make a P&M blog about it here.

Get Iron Warriors and some DKOK and carve off any aquillas. Boom, instant Iron Warriors and Janissary army.

If you wanted to make a really fluffy army, your main army would be traitor guardsmen/DKOK, with an allies contingent of Iron Warriors. Maybe ask anyone you play against if the HQ for your main Traitor Guardsmen army could be a Chaos Iron Warriors Lord. For inspiration, I'd read the Black Library book "Siege of Castellax", excellent read.

Thanks guys.

I will add, however, that although I like IW much more as a trench-warfare enemy, you didn't mention Orks.

A race who are depicted in several BL books as being quite happy to play at trench warfare - charging across no-man's-land would be their idea of a good time!

Orks are seen as a lot less "gritty" than IW / renegade guard though - personally I'd go with the Chaos idea.

Orks are doing trenches in 15 Hours, and the intense melee would be nice at it would be hordes vs hordes with models that are close stats-wise.

Im not sure about okra, i mean…i don't think they would be a viable enemy against the DKOK, so i think I'm staying with the idea of the Iron Warriors and their militia.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Orks are doing trenches in 15 Hours, and the intense melee would be nice at it would be hordes vs hordes with models that are close stats-wise.

I agree, orks massed up ready for a charge with arty blowing up around them, death korps unflinching from the huge amount of gun fire raining around them pooring round after round, then when (if) the orks make it they are jumping onto bayonetts and the gritty melee fight starts.

I think orks are perfect, paint them up all muddy and sickly, orktruppen with grot grenades for clearing trenches and so on.

The thing about trenches is try keep it horde, its got a bigger effect as people are flashed with images of ww1 trench warfare and so forth.

I do have a spare Ork army, so yeah….i must admit thats a good idea.

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Yeah, for a prolonged, trench-ridden, artillery duelling, hoard-on-hoard meat grinder, IW-led chaos guard and greenskins are definitely you're two best options.

Or, wait for it... how about a three-way? Eh? EH?

theres always the renegade lists in the siege of vraks books too, to ally with the iron warriors.

The orks do sound the better idea though. Even better if you already have an orc army

I would agree with most of the replies that Iron Warriors would probably be one of if not the best artillery duel with both sides in trenches.

However if you are looking for the endless hordes assaulting the DKoK trenches then the classics are necrons (the DKoKs archenemy in most publications), nids (perfect unending hordes and tunneling units popping up in your trenches), and orks (they would always attack the trench head on because the boyz are spoil'n for a good knock around).

There are also some pretty great examples of Chaos forces defending a position against DKoK assaults in Siege of Vraks as well as an awesome assault on DKoK positions by nurgle marines forces using nurgle viral weapons on the DKoK. Again these fights tend to be the CSM dropping in on top the DKoK and engaging them in their trenches or the DKoK ramming a few hundred troopers and an armoured transport down the CSM throats and wearing them down until they can take the position. They are all super bloody.

Another great example of DKoK siege warfare is the Dead Men Walking where the DKoK decide to systematically destroy a hive city with artillery and advance the line to clean up a necron awakening. The necrons assault from the hive city repeatedly and often manage to close. Again a real meat grinder.

If I was gonna do a Iron warriors army with a lot of non marine fodder type, I'd look SERIOUSLY at adapting the Tyrant's Legion army from Imperial armor 9