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My friend has recently acquired a 200pt Aleph army (great news for me cos I've wanted to play infinity for ages!) and to get started I've written a 200pt ariadna list, pretty much just using models I like (after all, it's not the list - it's you!) and I was just looking for some opinions/pointers.

Ariadna | 9 models
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S.A.S. CRAP (23|0)
Line Kazak Rifle (9|0)
Line Kazak Rifle (9|0)
Line Kazak Lieutenant (9|0)
TankHunter Autocannon (40|1.5)
Chasseur Minelayer (20|0.5)
TankHunter AP HMG (40|1.5)
Uxìa Grenades (28|0)
Chasseur Observer (22|0)
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200/200 points | 3.5/4 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/9U0wrR

In terms of models, almost everything is stock, however I will use the new Cateran HMG as the Tankhunter HMG, and I was thinking of using the new Scots Guard (2nd regiment, with the camo raincoats) as the chasseurs, how does that sound? Thanks

I like your list, seems very well balanced.

Do you guys plan to play ITS missions as well? as you seem to have enough specialists as well.

If your friend is new might want to play nice with them tank hunters at first, they can make people cry.

Were both new haha but yeah I'll go easy to start with I'm not sure about ITS missions, I don't really know what specialists are...

The specialists for a given scenario are listed on the ITS missions. Generally, Engineer, Forward Observer, Hacker, Doctor, Paramedic, Chain of Command, and units with the 'specialist' skill are specialists for ITS missions. So your list has 1 specialist, the Chasseur FO.

Proxying minis is fine. Everybody does it. WYSIWYG is really tough in Infinity, so nobody bothers. We're all about the cool minis and the fun game

Enjoy.

I thought uxia was a specialist as well?

Im taking her in my caledonian army for that reason....

oh just looked it up he is taking the 28pt version not the 25 and the 28pter is not a specialist.

Is the 3 pts worth it?

I also just checked out your list and HOLY CRAP that is a ton of camo! only dudes not sneaky are the line kazaks.

I think i might need more mv2 in my army than just the one....

Ah okay thank you. Is ITS like the tournament thingy for infinity? And thanks for the reassurance that proxying is okay, lots of the models are stunningly good but there's the odd one or two questionable ones, good to know I can use the cooler ones!

Haha, yeah I like the idea of a sneaky ariadna force, will all the camo affect me negatively at all? (Like do they still provide orders when camouflaged? I know AD troops don't when they're off the board...do they?) also, what's mv2? Excuse my ignorance

ITS is the torunament style but it also ties into their cool mission system where you need specialists to free prisoners, disarm bombs, stabilize wounded people, etc. You win by suceeding at the missions not by killing.

Camo still gives orders, you are good there.

MV2 lets people see camo guys better as well as through smoke bombs.


I am realativly new myself but here are the rules i live by


1. Lt plan? buff guy hard to drop, or hide him? what is the back up plan if he is dropped. (example - I play morats so my leader is hard as nails sograt and if he does go down im relying on relgious troop rules to carry that turn)
2. Specialists - Always have at least 2 and they should be of a varied type (example - my morat force has a engineer and a guy like uxia who is a "specialist troop")
3. Order monkeys - Who are they? for yours you have line kazaks.
4. Dealing with camo/smoke - Either have lots of your own smoke, zero visilibty smoke, AND hopefully at least 1 MV2 trooper with a good suppressive fire weapon like an HMG. (example - I have a yagak with HMG and he has MV2 -- HOWEVER ariadna has lots of camo and smoke but you have zero options for mv2 or higher and i think only 1 guy who even has mv1)
5. Hard targets - You need some long range options that can deal with high arm, high wound models such as tags and beefy HI. I usually make sure i have 2 heavy weapons on guys with the highest BS i can get.
6. Gun fights - Need something that in a face to face can take down high BS troops with modifiers. Its hard to win an ARO with alephs with BS 14 and ODD's. I call it the doc holiday trooper
7. CC - avoid it? set up lots of cross fire or counter it with your own? heavy cc ALWAYS has heavy amounts of smoke to cover their advance so be prepared.
8. Hacking - bring it or dont? are you susceptable to it? - Ariadna doesnt need to worry about this, you have nothing to hack!
9. Link teams - How you going to deal with guys with +1 burst in ARO with +3 to BS? get behind them? template weapons?

Think that about covers it...

Your Aleph friend is going to have elite troops with very high BS lots of ODD's that make them hard to shoot as well as TONS of smoke....oh and all of them are good in CC...

That makes it sound like Aleph are a bad matchup for Ariadna... If I can't see them cos of all the smoke.

Thank you though, that list is very helpful

you have tons of camo and infilitration, you just need to set up a circle of covering fire so you get around smoke and get to shoot from the back.

Shoot em from the back and they cant ARO.

Okay so I just use camo and infiltration to get around the smoke? This is why I'm looking forward to playing infinity, it looks like a genuinely tactical game.

ImAGeek wrote:
That makes it sound like Aleph are a bad matchup for Ariadna... If I can't see them cos of all the smoke.

Thank you though, that list is very helpful

Greetings

Ariadna is currently very solid army. Particularly at lower points, where Aleph and CA can struggle to find units to have comfortable order pool. The real threat comes in active turn, with camouflage benefits you strike first, such ability is almost game breaking as it forces your opponent to play very reactionary. Also don't forget mines that many of your skirmishers carry, they are rather nasty. Put them around the corner or at the corner and force you opponent to spend resources in order to advance across the various paths.

I'd recommend playing escalation format*, seems fun and I'd definitely look at it, if I'd be starting out.

*Under Infinity Tournament System: Escalation League
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/downloads/

ImAGeek wrote:
Okay so I just use camo and infiltration to get around the smoke? This is why I'm looking forward to playing infinity, it looks like a genuinely tactical game.

CORRECT!! you are by no means outclassed by his army, you just have different tools and you need to use yours to maximum advantage while taking advantage of his weaknesses.

He only has...2? real units that can see through camo - asura and..agemas i think they are called with have msv2 or 3 and they are deployed normally so you can avoid them or set up to take them out.

also doing a camo attack is nasty as you get bonuses and get to go first alpha striking units you want.

On top of that when you place camo markers he has no idea which camo marker is what until he tries to discover them or you have them pop out and kill soemthing.

Is that a sas guy? or is it the nasty tank hunter with the boom stick?

Okay so that's what camo does, they can see where models are but not what they are? What about infiltration?

I have read the rules and will do so again but there's quite a lot to remember haha

ImAGeek wrote:
Okay so that's what camo does, they can see where models are but not what they are? What about infiltration?

I have read the rules and will do so again but there's quite a lot to remember haha

yes camo are just markers, they dont know what is actually there. They have to do discovery rolls to spot you unless you reveal your position.

Infiltration lets you deploy way into the battlefield.

Okay that sounds fun! Definitely think I've picked the right faction with Ariadna, that sounds right up my street

Theorius wrote:
I thought uxia was a specialist as well?

Im taking her in my caledonian army for that reason....

oh just looked it up he is taking the 28pt version not the 25 and the 28pter is not a specialist.

Is the 3 pts worth it?

I also just checked out your list and HOLY CRAP that is a ton of camo! only dudes not sneaky are the line kazaks.

I think i might need more mv2 in my army than just the one....

For ITS play, specialist Uxia works fine, since odds are she won't re-camo. Ariadna is know for 'camo spam' Other ways to beat it are direct template weapons like chain rifles, flamethrowers etc used in intuitive attacks. Well placed mines also work.

Flamethrowers also make ODD stop working (until it's repaired by an engineer) whether the model is hurt by the flamethrower or not. Something to consider as you could use a cheap suicide Chasseur to take out your opponents ODD on a bunch of guys before doing nasty stuff like opening up on them with AP HMG's, Autocannons, or even using a Forward Observer on them to call in Traktor Mul blast templates on their position. A Scout FO is expensive, but considering you have WIP 14 to help you mark against what were -6 to hit (at minimum) units, suddenly those nasty units aren't so bad now.

Thanks for the tips guys. What is ODD? I'm really excited to start playing, so much tactical depth that's missing from some other games

Optical Disruption Device. You can always check the infinity wiki for gear or rule clarification.

Ah thank you, that wiki is extremely helpful


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I think after I've got my ariadna army, I might also make a small Corregidor nomad force, cos those models are sweet. What are the Nomads theme? (Ie ariadna are sneaky camo guys)

ImAGeek wrote:
Ah thank you, that wiki is extremely helpful


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I think after I've got my ariadna army, I might also make a small Corregidor nomad force, cos those models are sweet. What are the Nomads theme? (Ie ariadna are sneaky camo guys)

By and large they are a pretty dirty faction apparently, lots of sneaky tech tricks.

Hm that sounds pretty cool, and they have some awesome models... How do you ever pick one faction? Haha

Usually you don't pick one faction. Eventually the lure of another will get to you.

I haven't bought a single model yet and it's already happening... Good thing it's (relatively) cheap

Coming in a bit late, but as everyone has said, you lack specialists.

But also with only 3 Line Kazaks on the table its going to be a somewhat easy for your opponent to guess your Lt, either its an SAS Lt in hiding, or the Line Kazaks. The number of camo markers will help hinder them for a bit, but the moment all of them are revealed they will know its one of the Line Kazaks and likely gun for them ASAP.

I wouldn't go that far. 3 Line Kazaks, one of which being the Lt, is enough to keep your opponent guessing. Just don't leave him in a hole every game, otherwise it gets pretty obvious. I run a pair of Ghulam to play the Lt shell game, and I find even 2 is enough.

For a starter 200pt army, 3 Kazaks with one as the Lt is all you need to protect him.

It will also help if you spread them out. Like, the real LT in the right corner, and decoys in the middle and left corner

I know I've left this a while but I got distracted by nomads...but as my birthday is coming up I want to start an Ariadna army too. I will start vanilla, but later branch into the FRRM and Russian sectorial a (when russariadna is released.)

Is the general consensus still that this list is decent? I wanna order the models soon. I am gonna use the Haqqislam Ghulam models painted up blue as my chasseurs, and the Caledonian Mormaer HMG as the tank hunter HMG (probably paint camo instead of tartan...) would these be acceptable?

Also, any tips for painting camo...?

Thanks guys.

the list is good!

you cover all the bases on what you need to get the job done, and I see no big giant holes.

Thank you, that's good to hear