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Or are you pretty pi**ed off that 6th edition hasnt lasted for even 1.5 years and there's already talk of the next edition in print?

If the rumors of Warhammer 40,000 7th edition rolling out in May - with a new starter set featuring the Blood Angels and Orks to boot - are true, then it would mean 6th edition has been the edition with the shortest shelf life as of yet.

I was an avid fan of 5th edition and only transitioned to 6th in late 2013 after getting back into the hobby recently. Having owned the hardcover 5th rulebook (that also contains a lot of fluff) I guess I did the right thing by purchasing Dark Vengeance as now I at least have models to play with, should the mini rulebook that came along with it be rendered useless in 3 months.

What are your thoughts?

Do you have faith that 7th edition will fix all the shortcomings of 6th and be the awesomest, most fun edition of 40k? Or do you think they'll fix a few things and break a few other things, introduce superheavies and bunker assault and call it a day?

Does it peeve you off that quite a few of us arent regular gamers who get several games in every month; and instead manage only a half dozen or more games every year, and for people like that a new edition just 2 years after 6th (assuming they didn't buy the 6th ed rulebook the day it released) means some of us have had these rules for maybe less than a year before all our monetary investment in the ruleset has been rendered obsolete?

And how long will you predict 7th edition will last? Given GW's accelerated release schedule and the -weekly- White Dwarf being used to advertise new releases, would it be prudent to assume 7th edition will also only last for 2 years before 8th edition replaces it?

I'm still not convinced it'll be a true new edition. I'd believe a combined 6th/FAQ/Errata/Escalation/Stronghold book, so more of a 6.5 really.

If it is a real labeled 7th ed, and its largely the same, I won't be buying it.

Would I be glad of new rules? Yes.
Would I be pleased about having to pay for them again. Definitely not.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Or are you pretty pi**ed off that 6th edition hasnt lasted for even 1.5 years and there's already talk of the next edition in print?

Welcome it...from the looks of the way the Tyranid rules were written..it isn't far off.

Kind of like how we all knew 6th was on its way after we saw the Grey Knight book.



GW did a lot of good work pushing out books in a very small amount of time, let's hope that that period of good solid work isn't all for naught. We're at a point where the right ruleset could give the game some semblance of balance.



Now I don't expect the best, but I also don't expect the worst.

I will be disappointed if this is the reason GW hasn't bothered with FAQ's in quite some time (IE they decide to address them via a patch book, and then rope in all the supplements and tweak a few core rules in order to force a purchase).

I don't really know to be honest- the entire thing is very strange to begin with.

I'm in the "I think it'll be 6.5" camp.

I think any codex/rules edition that fixes the mess the game has devolved into is cost-effective when compared to the investment in purchasing and painting armies.

If it's just a copy and paste rehash of the last two years - abort, retry, fail.

I wouldn't say "it's time", but I do think 6th is one of the most messed up and convoluted editions we've had, will be glad to see it go.

So I voted "yes".

That said, IMO GW needs to throw the old codices in a fire and start again. They haven't done that since, what, the late 90's?

Nope, not welcoming at all since the rumors are that there will be no meaningful changes besides making the previous edition obsolete and requiring new books. I would welcome a legitimate 7th edition that fixed some of 6th edition's major problems, but it looks like we aren't getting that.

I can't even answer your question. Money for a new ruleset I don't mind. but the important thing is does it play better then 6th? Judging from the past history GW is likely again to create more questions than answers.

It really depends on just what 7th edition is.

If it requires a new rulebook, adds in escalation/stronghold, and then doesn't fix the problems in 6th, then I want nothing to do with it. Unfortunately I think that is exactly what is going to happen.

I agree with Peregrine, the single worst outcome would be a 6.5. It would invalidate the current rulebook- by this, I mean that if 6.5 = 6 + escalation + stronghold, then I either have to (a) buy the 6.5 book, or (b) buy stronghold and escalation to stay current. Either way, I'm paying a rulebook's cost for the EXACT SAME GAME (with expansions I don't really want).

Although I am disappointed that 6th edition is so short, a well-revised 7th edition that deals with a lot of the issues with the current game (battle brothers, assault, etc.) would be something I would not be sore about. I am currently sore that this edition is ending, but it is how GW approaches this upcoming release that will determine if I stay really upset or forgive and forget.

EDIT: in that regard, I can't vote on either choice. My final conclusion will depend on what GW makes 7th edition 40k.

Is no one else intrigued by Tyranid melee weapons with the "ignores cover" USR?

As a sidenote do you guys think - should 7th edition release - that the codices printed after that will look different?

This has pretty much been the case with every edition so far.

3rd edition codices had minimalist fluff, were relatively thin and went straight on to the rules

4th edition codices had a fair bit of fluff, and their layout was brief unit description + points cost + rules + silhouette of the unit on the same page

5th edition codices (started with dark angels still halfway in 4th, really...around 2006) had more fluff, and the rest of the codex was overhauled in that units now received lengthy descriptions and artwork, and their special rules were detailed, and their cost was moved to the back of the book into the armylist section. No more silhouettes.

6th edition codices (again, starting with dark angels) are now hardback, are around 20 pages thicker, have a relics section, and most importantly - are full color, with a lot of the 5th edition unit artwork simply been colored in.

Prices, of course, have been increasing with every codex overhaul.

But my question is - how different will the upcoming codices be? They've already transitioned into hardcover AND full color, so what else can they change?

Not sure, and while I was in the "these books cost too much camp"...once I got my first 6th ed codex...I never looked back, the things are gorgeous.

I can imagine the new codices will be soft, chewable and come with a variety of non-toxic crayola... I mean Adeptus marker-sticks.

If the new Whitedwarf and Visions are a cue to go by, expect more pictures and less information

6.5? Yes. We need this

7? No!!

6 needs to be cleaned up and FAQ'd. Ignore cover a 2++ saves need to brought under control. Strength D just needs to disappear. Only way I'd like to see a 7th, is if we did away with Armour values for vehicles and made them Toughness rated models, like everything else.

ductvader wrote:Is no one else intrigued by Tyranid melee weapons with the "ignores cover" USR?

Not really. Unless I missed something, the "weapons" you speak of aren't actually "weapons" (acid blood and toxic miasma). So they've added the "ignores cover" bit to make sure people don't want to take cover saves given they aren't strictly "close combat attacks".

ductvader wrote:Not sure, and while I was in the "these books cost too much camp"...once I got my first 6th ed codex...I never looked back, the things are gorgeous.

I probably wouldn't mind as much if it weren't for the fact the new books cost $83 in Australia, which is just frakking insane. I could care less about colour, I would prefer soft cover given I'll mostly be using them as reference books and it's easier to flip through soft cover books, I could care less about the pictures of painted models, the fluff is nice but not something I really want to pay $83 to get.

I'd much rather just have a smaller, soft cover, black and white book that has all the rules in it that doesn't cost a left arm and 3 toes. Also the rules in the codices are stupidly spread out. Why they went away from "may take blah, blah and blah" back to "may take items from blah list" I don't understand, it doesn't really save any ink and just forces you to flip back and forth.

Also they persist with the silly thing of having 2 army lists in a book, one where they give the unit fluff and special rules and another where they give the unit cost and options. They could easily roll it all in to one and stick the fluff and pictures somewhere else to reduce the amount you need to flip back and forth through the book and consolidate the rules sections.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

ductvader wrote:Is no one else intrigued by Tyranid melee weapons with the "ignores cover" USR?

I'd much rather just have a smaller, soft cover, black and white book that has all the rules in it that doesn't cost a left arm and 3 toes.

I might feel the same way, I got mine from a nearby retailer for about half that cost.

...dang.

With how much was charged for 6th edition, I feel that we basically beta tested 6th for GW for free and as such 7th should be free.

Why isn't there an option for "I don't believe this is a thing" because that's what I'm thinking. 6.5 with a rolled in FAQ is about as much as I'm willing to believe.

Given that I don't actually play 6th, I vote third-party with "If they fix the issues of 6th". That is to say knowing GW likely not, as I doubt they are even aware of the issues with 6th (how could they be if they eschew the internet and have no PR department?)

 Sir Arun wrote:
As a sidenote do you guys think - should 7th edition release - that the codices printed after that will look different?

This has pretty much been the case with every edition so far.

3rd edition codices had minimalist fluff, were relatively thin and went straight on to the rules

4th edition codices had a fair bit of fluff, and their layout was brief unit description + points cost + rules + silhouette of the unit on the same page

5th edition codices (started with dark angels still halfway in 4th, really...around 2006) had more fluff, and the rest of the codex was overhauled in that units now received lengthy descriptions and artwork, and their special rules were detailed, and their cost was moved to the back of the book into the armylist section. No more silhouettes.

6th edition codices (again, starting with dark angels) are now hardback, are around 20 pages thicker, have a relics section, and most importantly - are full color, with a lot of the 5th edition unit artwork simply been colored in.

Prices, of course, have been increasing with every codex overhaul.

But my question is - how different will the upcoming codices be? They've already transitioned into hardcover AND full color, so what else can they change?

they can add more gloss paper and even more spot UV!

Wait...no...I thought of it.

40k Codex Pop Up Books!

As long as they dont change the game too much (like most editions, minor changes here and there) then im fine with it.

 ductvader wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

ductvader wrote:Is no one else intrigued by Tyranid melee weapons with the "ignores cover" USR?

I'd much rather just have a smaller, soft cover, black and white book that has all the rules in it that doesn't cost a left arm and 3 toes.

I might feel the same way, I got mine from a nearby retailer for about half that cost.

...dang.

I actually bought a digital copy of the 'nid codex. It was much much cheaper... but the formatting is so terrible it drove me insane and I had to save it as a word document and fix the crappy formatting.... which wasted a night of my life... I wish I had of just bought the physical book instead, lol.

Plot twist: All the seemingly horrendous releases and unbalanced mess of Codices and expansion were designed with a 7th edition in mind and once it is released everything will suddenly make perfect sense and make for a well balanced game.

It'll also be a snowy day outside Lucifer's porch.

For Codexes I liked the 3rd edition style; I collected most/all of them and never ever felt like they were lacking in fluff. Paying $50 for something that's worth about half of that just because it's hardcover with glossy pages is taking the mickey.

I am hoping for pancake edition.

I would have prefered they addressed the issues with 6th in a propoer FAQ package.

So sort out the really OP units: eg Riptides, Wave Serpents,

Sort out the rubbish units: eg Howling Banshees,

Sort out the units that go against the fluff: Wyches

Sort out nonsesne like 2++ re-rollable

If 6.5/7th does sort this out I would be interested...............but annoyed that it was not done as a general (and free) clear up of the current rules...........