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^This, with the rumoured "consolidate into assault" would be pretty nice.

I just want to assault from transports again!

 Blacksails wrote:
I'm still not convinced it'll be a true new edition. I'd believe a combined 6th/FAQ/Errata/Escalation/Stronghold book, so more of a 6.5 really.

If it is a real labeled 7th ed, and its largely the same, I won't be buying it.

Well, 6th Edition is really only a 5.5. combining 5th/FAQ/Errata/Death-from-the-Skies/Fantasy-Terrain, no?

And 5th is really only 4.5, combining 4th/FAQ/Errata/True-Line-Of-Sight/etc.. no?

By that benchmark, we're pretty much playing Edition 3.3 at the moment, given that 3rd Edition was the last genuine true new Edition.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
I'm still not convinced it'll be a true new edition. I'd believe a combined 6th/FAQ/Errata/Escalation/Stronghold book, so more of a 6.5 really.

If it is a real labeled 7th ed, and its largely the same, I won't be buying it.

Well, 6th Edition is really only a 5.5. combining 5th/FAQ/Errata/Death-from-the-Skies/Fantasy-Terrain, no?

And 5th is really only 4.5, combining 4th/FAQ/Errata/True-Line-Of-Sight/etc.. no?

By that benchmark, we're pretty much playing Edition 3.3 at the moment, given that 3rd Edition was the last genuine true new Edition.

Eh, I see what you're getting at, but if it turns out the changes are reduced to simply the FAQs/Erratas and Stronghold/Escalation included, I'd hardly call it a new edition as the core mechanics won't change. For all the similarities, 6th changed a lot with how assault, shooting, and vehicle rules work.

Regardless, they'll be hard pressed to get another $100 out of me for so little effort in rules writing.

I don't think it will BE a brand new edition, but even if it is I'll suck it up.

WayneTheGame wrote:
For Codexes I liked the 3rd edition style; I collected most/all of them and never ever felt like they were lacking in fluff. Paying $50 for something that's worth about half of that just because it's hardcover with glossy pages is taking the mickey.

You sure? I have the old Eldar codex (the blue one) and it has like 2 pages of fluff.

(inb4 "b-b-but the craftworld supplement" comment )

 Sir Arun wrote:

WayneTheGame wrote:
For Codexes I liked the 3rd edition style; I collected most/all of them and never ever felt like they were lacking in fluff. Paying $50 for something that's worth about half of that just because it's hardcover with glossy pages is taking the mickey.

You sure? I have the old Eldar codex (the blue one) and it has like 2 pages of fluff.

(inb4 "b-b-but the craftworld supplement" comment )

The eldar one was bad I think. But read the green imperial guard codex (3rd I think). Best fluff I ever read.

I've seen a lot of doom and gloom posts about 6th edition over the last year so I figured people would be overjoyed with a new edition. I guess you just can't please some people.

I can understand not wanting to buy another overpriced rulebook though.

 Greenizbest wrote:
I've seen a lot of doom and gloom posts about 6th edition over the last year so I figured people would be overjoyed with a new edition. I guess you just can't please some people.

I can understand not wanting to buy another overpriced rulebook though.

Some people aren't overly excited because some rumours point towards nothing more than a repackaged 6th ed rulebook with no real changes. Even the rumoured changes that might happen don't really fix the problems with the edition.

If I'm going to shell out for a new rulebook after 2 years, I want more effort than a copy paste job of already printed material. I want a play tested book that addresses the problem with the game, not a lazy cash grab.

Maybe my standards are too high.

Besides this HAS happened in GW's history. Anyone remember the overhaul all 3rd edition codexes got when people were initially disappointed with their quality?

I'm not huge fan of the 6th rules but seeing as I have the base rule book, escalation, and stronghold assault, I really don't want to have to pay a whole new rulebook.

We can only hope for a 7th edition at this point.

Even if 7th is just as confused at so what it wants to be as 6E, if they at least collect everything in one book that'd be helpful. I'd love a new crack at the vehicle rules as well, because currently vehicles are either crap, or over-compensating win machines.

 Blacksails wrote:
I'm still not convinced it'll be a true new edition. I'd believe a combined 6th/FAQ/Errata/Escalation/Stronghold book, so more of a 6.5 really.

If it is a real labeled 7th ed, and its largely the same, I won't be buying it.

I have a bad feeling, that no matter what they call it, if it contains elements from 6th edition, Escalation and Stronghold it will modify enough rules from each (just enough) to make owning the prior releases worthless. Thereby making the purchase necessary to keep up with game community.

My only thanks is that I never purchased Escalation or Stronghold.

Edit: It may be even worse...containing Escalation and Stronghold rules completely unchanged but changing the core rules enough to require the purchase. That would be a huge slap in the face to those that bought those books.

Can't wait for new rules, i've found myself putting off modelling (which is almost unheard of for me) because i feel that my conversions and such will just be bummed by some of the cheesier lists out there. Yes, i'm a fluffy player, and i want my darn rough riders to be viable! D:

 Vaktathi wrote:
We can only hope for a 7th edition at this point.

Even if 7th is just as confused at so what it wants to be as 6E, if they at least collect everything in one book that'd be helpful.

You're implying they will stop releasing expansions afterwards.

Except its the same game - new rules will keep streaming in. A campaign here, a new type of warfare* there, and then 8th edition will supposedly streamline all of THAT as well into one book. That's how they get you to keep buying their books A necessary and unavoidable evil, I know, but all I wanted is 4 years of peace between money spending.




* someone crazy enough might actually start making water bodies relevant and write rules for sea warfare. Why not? Orks have subs, I'm sure the Imperials have their own type of ships - and this is a gothic setting after all, so ironclad ships with battle cannons and multilasers aren't too far fetched. Simple enough to do - copy paste the rules from Warhammer Fantasy (they even have a "Dark Vengeance" set for pure naval battles in WHF keep forgetting what its called) with some slight modifications....


....or even better yet, bring back BFG and space battles back in some form. Hurr durr Forging A Narrative... juat like 6th ed has each army bring a Flyer into the game to expand the plane of warfare (no pun intended) to the aerial level; have the Battle Barges of both armies hovering in orbit on a small 2' x 2' board apart from the battlefield and try taking each other out, lest the other dictate the placement of orbital bombardments onto the real battlefield using a coordinate system similar to Battleship geez I'm getting ahead of myself, ain't I? Better stop giving GW ideas...

 Sir Arun wrote:
Besides this HAS happened in GW's history. Anyone remember the overhaul all 3rd edition codexes got when people were initially disappointed with their quality?

I'd welcome a 6.5 Chaos Codex, if 3.5 is the indicator of what I'd get.

Perhaps this is just another symptom of the digital age, where peoples interest can only be captured in but the briefest of moments, and then again perhaps not.

I myself didn't vote on this one, mostly because I don't give a lot of credence to the rumour mill. Where are those god aligned Chaos supplements? Haha, yeah... More to the point however, do you really think that GW started work on a new or even incorporated ruleset last year? I'm not so sure you can look at a year end report and predict that in two more years you'll need to revamp your rules. If there is talk of a 7th edition then that means they are looking at doing that now and that would mean work on it might start as late as next year. What might be going on is that they've published all their new material already, and are now looking at how they have to realign some things to avoid changing the game entirely. I'm a writer, I don't write game systems, but I do write and I know how long it can take to get something done right. The bourbon helps and then sometimes it doesn't. I think the main thing here is to not get excited and wait to see what really develops. My hunch is that they'll release a run of what you've coined as 6.5 edition. Hopefully we'll all get another couple years out of our books and then maybe in like 2017 (I just realized how awesome that sounds, we live in the fething future) we will have a rock solid 7th edition.

I personally think we might be in for some surprises from GW. They always claim to not care about the internet and have a firm policy regarding that, but really they're just silent observers. Often you can get more information out of a conversation if no one knows you're listening and I wouldn't put it past an Englishman to come up with a company policy of eavesdropping on the internet. Maybe we'll wake up one day to find that it was as if someone really was paying attention to our legitimate concerns all along and the next codex we opened a hand reached out of it and pulled us inside, Pagemaster style.

I think, if they really are planning on releasing a "7th edition" this year, even within the first half of this year, it will be a very rushed, fairly shoddy publication, because I don't believe that GW has done enough internal playtesting to really know what's wrong with 6th ed, and I don't think the community of players, at large, can agree with what's wrong with 6th edition

People have complaints about different things, to be sure, and for those people the sources of their complaints are what is wrong, but there is little to no consensus on those points.

What I expect this book to be, if it exists at all, is a combination of a compilation of FAQs and Errata, the Escalation and Stronghold rules, and some possible bones tossed to assault-focused armies (but I don't expect these to be significant or all that game-changing), but I don't expect the current meta following the release of this book to change all that much, if at all. Taudar will still be Taudar, SM will still be SM, Daemons will still be Daemons and Nids will still be Nids.

I would like a new edition to come out.


My wallet and my girlfriend won't like it, but I probably would.


Although I never saw much wrong with 6th edition to be totally honest, the allies table needs sorting out and I think escalation should stay well away from the rest of the game. I don't fancy seeing superheavies in 1000 point lists.

I know a (very recently) ex GW-staffer.

On chatting about possibly new BRB due soon, and reportedly at the printers, one of my other friends speculated about the whole '6.5' thing.

His reply?

"Very much 7th."

He is the first to admit he wasn't and isn't in possession of loads of inside info, and freely admits that several recent releases came as total surprises, even while he still worked for them, but when he makes this sort of statement, he's not normally wrong.

Personally, I would welcome a new edition if it is an effort to improve and build on 6th, but as a way of driving models sales, play quality be damned (which is more likely) then I may well sit down and write my own.

*** transcript taken from GW's internal phone system ***

Bean Counter: Mat baby, love your work! Listen, 6th isn't moving - isn't moving well at all. You know our recent 6-month numbers were down. Waayyy down. The guys on 17 aren't happy. Not, at, all. Plus, every nerd that did buy one is nerd-raging on every 40k website we haven't shut down yet. And they're leaving us for Warhordes and MT:G. I mean - MT:G!

Ward: Is it the fluff? <doodling fist bumps between satan and jesus Christ> You know, I write great fluff.

Bean Counter: No man, its not you. They just don't handle change well. And after all, we're a model company. Who knows what they want anyway?

Ward: <grabs nearby dartboard> I still have my research I did for 6th...

Bean Counter: That's a great idea, but we did a focus group amongst ourselves and came up with a sure-fire winner!

Ward: <rolls a die, gets a 5. consults a random chart, reads> "I think there are goblins living in the trees near my house."

Bean Counter: That's great baby. Take an umbrella. So, here's what we're going to do. We'll wrap up all of the FAQs we've accumulated over the last year plus the latest supplements plus the dataslates you wrote at the company Christmas party last year and add them to 6th. We'll de-colorize some old photos, you know, go black & white so it's edgy. We'll call it 6th Squared.

Ward: Cut and paste baby! Works every time.

Bean Counter: You know it! By the way, which vest are you rocking today baby?

Ward: Do you remember WD 178?

Bean Counter: WD is so 90's man.

Ward: Tru dat. Hey, I've got some great new fluff we could add if you like. I don't want to say too much, but you know the new Guard codex is coming out soon? Just let me say <throws dart at dartboard, hits Dark Angels> the Ultramarines need some more love to balance out Tau and Eldar!

Bean Counter: Sounds awesome baby! But you know 7th edition is coming out in 2015! We'll make it the focus...

*** transcript ends ***

 RaptorsTallon wrote:
Would I be glad of new rules? Yes.
Would I be pleased about having to pay for them again. Definitely not.

HAHA!

I can't put it any better than this!

Sure, I welcome it, why not.

Ward: <rolls a die, gets a 5. consults a random chart, reads> "I think there are goblins living in the trees near my house."

Did you mean kelly? The one who actually implements heavy chart based idea's?

Also Ward hate, so 2000's.

what? Who are we supposed to hate now. Lets hate that person with all our hatred. Hate 'em! Raaa! Yeah.

Ya know, given GW has just released the Imperial Knight which is a superheavy and has a strength D weapon, my guess is that 7th edition will just be 6th edition + superheavy rules so no one has an excuse for denying superheavies in standard games.

...aaand that falls perfectly into line with the IG codex releasing soon and probably coming with the BAAAAAANEBLADE (retribution reference) as part and parcel.


Though I still shake my head at the fact that GW didnt include the Land Raider Terminus Ultra when the new SM codex released