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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
... I can already hear the virtual moaning and groaning of having gameplay components attached to expensive models that have lots of parts, are too cheesecake, hard to build and all that nonsense.

For Kindom Death?

That's like wandering into a cigar lounge and complaining about the smoke, and wanting people to take your seriously.

The models are amazing.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The KDM Kickstarter 1.5 non-pledge preorder buy-in is up: https://kingdom-death-monster-15.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders

Gamblers chest is $325 up from $275 last year that’s probably as expensive as it will get until it hits retail at around $400
Campaigns of Death also up as well to $175 from $125

The Halloween stock has been cleared from the online store so new stuff is imminent.

Even if you've already purchased or backed this stuff, there's some interesting tidbits showing up on the preorder page.

Couple of things I noticed-

-Baron Mushroom armor artwork in the Campaigns of Death
-People of the Sun Intimacy sculpts are shown as well for the CoD
-Smog Stalkers now appear to be Smog Singers, and there's craftable armor based off of them in the Gambler's Chest
-Crimson Crocodile is getting armor sculpts too

Of course who knows what we'll see tonight!

This year's selection isn't quit as impressive. I did get the White Gigalion for half off but Echos 2 was sold out at the US warehouse. : (

Managed to get a Forbidden Future Bundle, I've been wanting those Great Game Hunters for years.

It's a bit of a shame we didn't get the usual, crazy Black Friday Kickstarter update, but if choosing to focus on working on the Gamblers Chest instead means we might actually get it next year, then it's a price worth paying.

Well fortunately for my wallet i'm ill and slept in so all the stuff I might have gone for is sold out/sold out in the UK warehouse

Just got to decide if there's anything in the pledge manager I want & can afford

I was so excited for the pledge manager to re-open, I didn't think to check the web store. Oh well, will have to hope the Gigalion goes on sale again next year. I think it would be a really worthwhile expansion to have, but $75 US is too much for what it offers.

Now to decide if I'm adding anything to my pledge.

Was jazzed to see the Lantern Festival models made available. Less mind-melting update was appreciated.

I wasn’t prepared for the King to be available. Could not buy. :(
Hopefully I can get him next year.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I wasn’t prepared for the King to be available. Could not buy. :(
Hopefully I can get him next year.

The Gambler's Chest is still two years away at the least, so there's a good chance the Forbidden Bundle will appear next year too.

The King is now part of the Gamblers Chest



No sign of the rest of the Lantern Festival in there though so the Scribe (and the rest) might get their own release hopefully with their own rules at some point.

Nothing I don't already have (or i'm due to get) in the Black Friday sale so no need to buy anything this has been a very cheap Black Friday for me.

The Forbidden Future was tempting, but all I really wanted was a Twilight Cloak armor set. The Hunters weren't anything special, the Scribe I don't really have any strong feeling about, and the King I'll get in the GC.

I'll just have to get one eventually. At least I got one of the shirts and the new Architect.

Debating about grabbing another BF Ninja and Detective though I have both painted but I'm curious if I can do any better on them.

The Kings coin went down like a lead balloon so refunds are being issued. I'm surprised it raised $100k. I can see why backers are upset most are still owed a significant amount of stuff and already have a lot of funds tied up with no real idea of when they will get their product. I know I'm still due the guts of $800 in product. I've no problem with outside KS stuff getting made and sold to keep cash flowing but I won't be paying in advance for new stuff although I only buy plastics kits with rules now, no more resins so limited availability doesn't really affect me anymore.

Kingdom DeathCreator
about 10 hours ago
I am sorry. The King's Coins were poorly explained and there was a lot confusion and misunderstandings about them. I am going to collect them all (100k worth), melt them down and at some point in the future, mint them again in a much better way. Everyone will be refunded asap. No, we do not need the money. I honestly thought the idea would be fun. Please accept my most humble apologies.

for context from the newsletter - King's coins were available in $50 increments while available

Introducing the King's Coins!

When we return to HQ, our next sale will only accept King's Coins as a form of payment for the first 24 hours! The King's Coins are digital gift cards that can be used to make purchases on the Kingdom Death store. Your purchase of King's Coins helps support the team while we eagerly await our return to HQ. Thank you so much in advance!

We reserve the right to add a special miniature in the future which can only be purchased with The King's Coins! (Of course if we do so, we will give everyone another opportunity to purchase King's Coins).

Also KDM is no longer top of the KS tabletop games most funded list as Frosthaven just beat it's total.

Yep, a preorder, minor bonus (a die, for instance), or just asking would have been way less unpleasant than the FOMO exclusivity thing.

Like I said in the Kickstarter comments, while I have no problem with the idea of Poots putting out his own version of giftcards to keep things ticking over. It's slightly worrying that he didn't understand (and looking at his comments, still doesn't understand) that making limited availability items even more limited wasn't a great idea.
It's also worrying that no one on Team KD figured this out either, and if they did they couldn't or wouldn't tell Poots.

Yeah, I quit collecting the resin 1st editions a few years back since by the time I got the email, they were sold out.

I have and still strongly wish he would just put up pre-orders, and cast to pre-order. Yes, he may need to make 3500 of a miniature, but that would be a pretty excellent way of gauging demand.

What I hope happens is that he keeps growing enough to make the Encore editions always available. After all, he literally owns the means of production...having a P500 (or 1000, or whatever) would really be a boon to his bottom line.

And keeping it boutique? Hell, The nature of our hobby is that pretty much everything is boutique.

I have and still strongly wish he would just put up pre-orders, and cast to pre-order. Yes, he may need to make 3500 of a miniature, but that would be a pretty excellent way of gauging demand.

What I hope happens is that he keeps growing enough to make the Encore editions always available. After all, he literally owns the means of production...having a P500 (or 1000, or whatever) would really be a boon to his bottom line.

Logistically speaking what you're asking isn't feasible unless they scale up their facilities, equipment, and personnel. Releases are in limited batches because its the only way he can ensure a steady flow of products to customers. Having to produce 3500 of one specific resin miniature means that his resin production resources are tied up until he finishes producing all 3500 of those miniatures - that means he cannot produce other miniatures or release new ones until that batch of 3500 is completed, and if people ordered multiple different minis, it means that he could not ship orders (unless he significantly upcharged for shipping) until all the resin minis in that order were fulfilled, etc. In realistic terms, this means that he could only really put one mini on sale at a time, and a new mini couldn't be produced until demand for that mini was fulfilled (or the preorder period was arbitrarily cut off to cap demand). Poots has opted to take a more sensible approach here, hes going to do limited batch runs of minis up front, and sell his available inventory until its gone, then rinse repeat, this means he can rotate availability through his products more quickly and keep a steady pace of new products in development and on sale.

The same is true of the Encores, the Eos P500 or whatever industrial printer he has may be more automated than resin casting, but its still an incredibly slow and time-intensive production method - his production rate for the encores is probably about as fast as his production rate for resins (keep in mind the resins are probably only being cast about 8 hours per day while the prints are theoretically going 24 hours a day less maintenance and downtime, etc.), the advantage is that he doesn't tie up his labor on the prints the way he does on the casts which frees them up to do other things. Printing the encores is also not a responsive thing, the minis are being batch printed - if customer x orders mini y and you don't have inventory on hand, you're printing a batch of say 40 of them at once, not just the one you need. Thats fine, but what if customer x instead orders mini a, b, c, d, f, r, t, y, and z, and the only one you have available inventory of are b, c, and t? You now need to print INDIVIDUAL batches of a, d, f, r, y, and z to meet demand - theoretically you could print the 6 minis together in one batch, but at a likely ~36-48 hours per print batch you'd fall way behind on your orders doing it this way, and the print automation and management software isn't really designed to tesselate/batch dissimilar objects together into the print volume, so your machine operator(s) now need to configure all your prints manually by hand if you tried to manage responsive production.So anyway, 36-48 hours per batch across 6 batches is 216 to 288 hours (9-12 days assuming no maintenance or downtime) of print time before you can fulfill this one customers order. 30 hours into printing this you also sell out of minis d and f, as well as minis e, g, h, and m for other customers, etc.


It simply isn't feasible unless you have multiple machines, this also doesn't address the issues with printing art/rule cards, etc. From what I understand Poots does not have that capability in house which means hes reliant on delivery from suppliers, depending on lead times you could be looking at significant delays as he runs out of printed materials.

I think he handles it better now that his team does the production vs a single guy in France. You see encores a lot more often and a larger amount of product but still the same number of numbered "1st" editions for those that care (which I don't know a single person that does but they surly exist). But there is a limit to what they can produce with the resins without maybe having his company become too large that it might not be sustainable long term.

I have a better idea... How about just finishing the project, like should be done in the first place?

It's not like it didn't make a million dollars, and more then enough to get it down in a reasonable amount of time. Been waiting for over 3 years now, and still no completion. Been a lot of Champaign dreams on a Colt 45 budget, though...

It pays to dream!

I would just like to get the kickstarter miniatures that I payed 2 grand for about 4 years ago. I swear to god if I go to Gencon and see him selling the stuff I was supposed to get in my kickstarter (again) I am going to go off. Poots, you hear that, you better not be selling stuff you owe to kickstarters!

Will there be a GenCon this year?

 aku-chan wrote:
(and looking at his comments, still doesn't understand)

I've been thinking about this and, given how it was structured, I think that he knew exactly what he was doing and just wasn't ready for the backlash from customers with years-overdue product who are already tense because of the global situation, who find out that an announced "sale" was in fact a manipulative preorder system for undisclosed exclusive vaporware.

I get where he's coming from and thought it was a fun idea myself, but he probably should just get wave 3 wrapped at this point.

I don't mind the store updates and usually could care less about both game content and first run cards- I just want a crack at new models to build as that's what I enjoy the most.

Coins seemed like a fun way to do it but obviously a lot more planning needs to go into it before trying to tackle it again... especially with people getting more and more cranky about wave 3 and communication.

I'm still trying to figure out why the Witch of the East Star is covered in piles of underwear though. That's an... odd look. I hope the model pulls it off because the art was pretty cringy.

Hyper Light Drifter when?

Don't suppose refunds are a thing, as interest in the game has long since dried up around here.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why the Witch of the East Star is covered in piles of underwear though.

I don't think you want to go there but there's an old Japanese anime trope about wearing women's panties on one's head. There's even an anime five years ago that did it, based on a light novel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimoneta
https://www.funimation.com/shows/shimoneta-a-boring-world-where-the-concept-of-dirty-jokes-doesnt-exist/

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Will there be a GenCon this year?

I'd guess "no" but stranger things have happened.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 aku-chan wrote:
(and looking at his comments, still doesn't understand)

I've been thinking about this and, given how it was structured, I think that he knew exactly what he was doing and just wasn't ready for the backlash from customers with years-overdue product who are already tense because of the global situation, who find out that an announced "sale" was in fact a manipulative preorder system for undisclosed exclusive vaporware.

I don't think Vaporware is an appropriate term here as that would imply that the exclusives/sale would never happen despite being talked about for years. The rest of the sentence is pretty accurate.

....and that's why I try to steer clear of light novels. Of course it sounds like a retread off Nagai's Kekko Kamen, but eh, not my thing.

I thought you would've brought up Hentai Kamen or something along those lines.

Let us cleanse our palettes with the more wholesome Death High Intimacy



I'm tempted to put them on individual bases and use them as characters in Last Night on Earth.

spiralingcadaver wrote:

 aku-chan wrote:
(and looking at his comments, still doesn't understand)

I've been thinking about this and, given how it was structured, I think that he knew exactly what he was doing and just wasn't ready for the backlash from customers with years-overdue product who are already tense because of the global situation, who find out that an announced "sale" was in fact a manipulative preorder system for undisclosed exclusive vaporware.

I dunno, I have trouble picturing Poots as the sort of ruthless businessman that would try something like that, he seems way too flaky.

highlord tamburlaine wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why the Witch of the East Star is covered in piles of underwear though. That's an... odd look. I hope the model pulls it off because the art was pretty cringy.

*Looks*
Dang it, she was so much cooler before you pointed that out.

There's a mega update out right now: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster-15/posts/2832920

Delaying some more, still going forward with the coins and whatnot.