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The fluff seems to say different things about chaos making people sterile, only one child was ever born on the night lords covenant ship, although that could just be because of poor nutrition and people dying all the time.

That's not Chaos doing it, that's more likely the Night Lords cutting your wing-wang off with a chainsword because it gives them the lulz.

Perhaps them being in the warp/eye of terror does something to the ships crew. It could also be that most don't survive long enough to go through a 9 month pregnancy.

 Psienesis wrote:
That's not Chaos doing it, that's more likely the Night Lords cutting your wing-wang off with a chainsword because it gives them the lulz.

Night Lords don't act like that, especially their wards. The slaves/serfs would just be liable to being stepped on/killed with the swat of a hand without the Night Lord realizing it. What it likely results from is gang life and constant warp travel. The mother of the child may have been pregnant for decades, same with any others. But by the strange affects on time by the Warp, the child may have been stuck in a basic fetal state for numerous years. She may have been conceived on the eve of the Night Lord's mass exodus after the death of Konrad Curze, just that thanks to strange time progression, it took forever for the fetus to develop and be born.

Night Lords thrive on terror-causing warfare tactics. If there's two ways to achieve an objective, and one of them incites nightmares in the populace for decades to come, the Night Lords will go for that option. Every time.

 Psienesis wrote:
Night Lords thrive on terror-causing warfare tactics. If there's two ways to achieve an objective, and one of them incites nightmares in the populace for decades to come, the Night Lords will go for that option. Every time.

That's not cutting off a man's dick. Night Lord terror tactics involve skinning someone, live, in front of a full audience and using their torture methods to sustain his life through the entire process before then making a nice scarf out of the human pelt while some of his fellows are forced to nail his body to a center of public gathering.

I sometimes suspect that there's a Dark Eldar adviser on every Night Lord ship.

It is if you're not the guy who's wing-wang got sawn the feth off. If you're the dude the next seat over, that's pretty terror-inducing.

Would you really want to raise a child in a place like a Night Lords vessel?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Night Lords thrive on terror-causing warfare tactics. If there's two ways to achieve an objective, and one of them incites nightmares in the populace for decades to come, the Night Lords will go for that option. Every time.

That's not cutting off a man's dick. Night Lord terror tactics involve skinning someone, live, in front of a full audience and using their torture methods to sustain his life through the entire process before then making a nice scarf out of the human pelt while some of his fellows are forced to nail his body to a center of public gathering.

I sometimes suspect that there's a Dark Eldar adviser on every Night Lord ship.

If you'll skin a man alive you probably don't have a problem grabbing him by the dick or chopping it off. Oops I meant and.

With the mutating effects of the Warp, who even knows what kind genome the people who spend time in there have any more?

Also, remember that the Night Lords ship was pretty badly chewed-up most of the time, it's entirely possible that their "warp core", or whatever, was leaking low-level radiation in high enough quantities to cause sterility.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Perhaps them being in the warp/eye of terror does something to the ships crew. It could also be that most don't survive long enough to go through a 9 month pregnancy.

My thoughts as well. That ship has been prowling the warp for ten thousand years. The passage of time has surely been *different* for the people in it.

As a sidenote, the description of a human society clinging to a parasitic existance in the bowels of the ship is one of Soul Hunter's highs. Even if ADB never delved too deep into it, I really loved that bit.

Or it could be classic 40k. In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millenium, There Are Only Men...

Seriously, though, I'd hardly call a Night Lords ship a place conductive to reproduction in the first place. Does anyone care to elaborate on the lore of this vessel, for someone who hasn't read Soul Hunter?

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Or it could be classic 40k. In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millenium, There Are Only Men...

And They Shall Know No Females?

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Or it could be classic 40k. In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millenium, There Are Only Men...

And They Shall Know No Females?

?

Yes.

I don't believe Chaos does cause sterility. Onboard the space station in Blood Reaver, the red corsair's slave caste seem to have their own functioning (albeit warped) society, it would just likely cause at least some mutation in children. In WFB there are actually tons of stories where children are born as mutants due to the effects of Chaos so it stands to reason it would be the same in 40k.

Onboard the Covenant of Blood, I belive it is as many people have already stated; The ship is almost constantly having to hide in the warp, they have poor resources and failing equipment. Also if anyone read the rest of the trilogy

The Night Lord's ship wasn't even particularly Chaotic, but being in perpetual darkness can't be good for the health of the crew, it's bound to screw with a human being's hormones.

Maybe the authors want to talk about blowing gak up and not making Black Library Books into "A Very Special Episode of Blossom".

 Psienesis wrote:
That's not Chaos doing it, that's more likely the Night Lords cutting your wing-wang off with a chainsword because it gives them the lulz.

The Night Lords do not act like that to their serfs/slaves. They were sterile because of warp travel. Source: Night Lords trilogy by ADB.

And what about blowing babies up ? How are you going to do that if you do not have babies ?

I think its very possible extended stays in the warp could cause sterility or probably more accurately very high miscarriage and infant mortality rates. Extended warp travel is said to have all kinds of mental and physical health effects and I think it natural to assume that like most adverse health effects, infants and the unborn are highly susceptible. Many chaos legions have trouble with gene seed for similar reasons. They spend so much time in the warp the gene seed becomes unusable due to mutations and what not.

I think its very possible extended stays in the warp could cause sterility or probably more accurately very high miscarriage and infant mortality rates. Extended warp travel is said to have all kinds of mental and physical health effects and I think it natural to assume that like most adverse health effects, infants and the unborn are highly susceptible. Many chaos legions have trouble with gene seed for similar reasons. They spend so much time in the warp the gene seed becomes unusable due to mutations and what not.

So could people or something close to people be born on demon worlds?

Potentially.

Daemon Worlds have all kinds of populations on them. There are scores upon scores of populated worlds within the Eye.

kinds of populations on them. There are scores upon scores of populated worlds within the Eye.

Then why don't we have more fluff like, she's not my daughter she only has three eyes, next on whos the dad.

Because GW ignores Chaos perspective a truckton. Then again, same could be said for anything that isn't Imperium. And even then, Marines get a disproportional amount of spotlight.

To be fair Tiamat, Black Library gives a lot of attention to us traitors. Now rules/model wise I would agree with you but not fluff novels. This is especially evident in the HH series, almost everything heavily features chaos, rightly so.

They ignore the more mundane parts of chaos life and focus on kharn taking skulls or plotting to see who will be the next warmaster.

JubbJubbz wrote:
To be fair Tiamat, Black Library gives a lot of attention to us traitors. Now rules/model wise I would agree with you but not fluff novels. This is especially evident in the HH series, almost everything heavily features chaos, rightly so.

Only if you are talking about Space Marines, which are described as exceedingly rare.

Descriptions of the mortal followers of Chaos, the Lost and the Damned, are really difficult to find. Marines do not build societies.

Marines do not build societies.

But their are plenty of societies, chaos pirates in the maelstrom, blood pact, beastmen on demon worlds, pawns of chaos was exclusively about the mortals following tzentch


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And what about blowing babies up ? How are you going to do that if you do not have babies ?

I don't mean to cause offense but you strike me as a sick person.