deffrekka wrote:
The normal (small) mek ^ cant take the big meks wargear, so why would he have a kff

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
My mistake, 10 points for riggers on Battlewagon, in my opinion worth it.

Oh hell yea. Grot riggers on anything that isnt a Buggy is damn worth it (be surprised if a buggy survived an attack anyway since its AV10 2hp)

Stormboyz are no faster than before. Before they were 12 + D6" in the movement, and could run normally. Now theyre 12" move and 2D6" run with the entire unit taking a Dangerous Terrain test in the process....which is a HUGE nerf as that will remove far more boyz than the old rules ever did.
I will probably still find a use for them, since i love the models and 12" powerklaw is nothing to sneeze at. Just gotta be weary howi move them.

johnleebassist wrote:Melcavuk you are a god!! Thank you so much for putting in the time to chat with us.

I have 2 questions.

1. Could you detail the formation in the book?

2. Are nobz and meganobz different unit entries?

Vankraken wrote:50 points base for a Killa Kan with big shoota. That seems like a large price hike when before it was 35 points base with +5 for a big shoota. Other than the vehicle moral tomfoolery did anything else about the kanz change?

 Melcavuk wrote:

johnleebassist wrote:Melcavuk you are a god!! Thank you so much for putting in the time to chat with us.

I have 2 questions.

1. Could you detail the formation in the book?

2. Are nobz and meganobz different unit entries?

1 Warboss
1 Mek
1 unit of Nobz or Meganobz
6 units of Boyz
1 unit of Gretchin
Can Waaagh every turn after the first, reroll warlord traits, if a mob rolls 10 or higher on the charge they get hammer of wrath

And yes, 2 different entries

Vankraken wrote:50 points base for a Killa Kan with big shoota. That seems like a large price hike when before it was 35 points base with +5 for a big shoota. Other than the vehicle moral tomfoolery did anything else about the kanz change?

Weapons got cheaper. KMB is now 5 points, same with zooka and skorcha,

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

The deff rolla was one of two viable options we had for dealing with AV14, along with a PK equipped warboss. Both of these required you get them to their intended target. As to using them on targets other than, everyone got armor saves. Those with poor armor saves had weight of numbers vs the single d6.
It was in no way whatsoever 'broken', it also cost a lot of points.

The codex was what, 6 years old, older? In that time, many other codices have been done, the 'power' has crept up considerably. So when you take our best and make it worse and worst and bring it to the downgraded 'best', you end up with a lower mean capability on a codex that was already totally outgunned. You end up with an antiquated beige army that can't match the more recent codices it will be facing.

It required no nerfing, no downgrading, it was already showing its age more than a bit. Readjusting balance in a book a couple of years old is one thing, taking something this old and upping point costs and reducing capabilities was ridiculous. We should have seen boosts, inclusion and capability, instead we saw a very old book slightly adjusted, overfilled in slots and generally made less effective.

With the removal of the ability to make certain units troops we've lost options, not gained them. We didn't need our units 'balanced to themselves', we needed our army balanced to the rest of the armies.

 Melcavuk wrote:
1 Warboss
1 Mek
1 unit of Nobz or Meganobz
6 units of Boyz
1 unit of Gretchin
Can Waaagh every turn after the first, reroll warlord traits, if a mob rolls 10 or higher on the charge they get hammer of wrath

XC18 wrote:
7th edition is focused on controlling objectives.

I was planning to change my biker deathstar into an small & cheap unit of nobz bikers (with painboy for + survivability), that will turboboost here and there all over the board to collect VP each turn for me.
Now the new codex gives me +3 cover /4+ armour/5+ FNP ? Suits me very well.
Same for the stormboyz. 2D6 run ? they can reach an objective like nobody now.

The changes on bikers and even stormboys look like nerf, but maybe that because we still want to play them like we did in previous editions.

I am pretty sure we will discover plenty of new tactics with our new codex - so don't sell your army yet... ;p

decker_cky wrote:

 Melcavuk wrote:
1 Warboss
1 Mek
1 unit of Nobz or Meganobz
6 units of Boyz
1 unit of Gretchin
Can Waaagh every turn after the first, reroll warlord traits, if a mob rolls 10 or higher on the charge they get hammer of wrath

Hmm...I can see that formation being popular. Works very well for a trukk heavy or mixed army.

Nobz are slightly cheaper and bikes are more expensive - are any of the nob weapon options or other equipment cheaper than before?

BooBoo wrote:Thanks again Melcavuk.

A couple of extra questions.

Trukks are 30 pts base, right? They come with Big shoota and have a free Rokkit swap. Which upgrades can they get and for how many points? Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job, Grot Riggers, Boarding Plank and Wrecking Ball?

Which is the cost for Kombi Weapons? 5 pts for Kombi/Skorcha and/or Kombi/Rokkit?

Are rokkits on Boys Mob cheaper? +5 pts right?

Can Tankbustas purchase an extra Nob who can pay for a PK/BC, Bosspole?

so what are the new mek gunz doing? the one is supposed to be lifta droppa, the anti air sounds like similar randomness, kmc is sr8? bubble chukka?

forgotten ghosts wrote:
so
smasha gun s5-10ap1 averages s7
bubble chucka roll at beginning of the game for s and ap
traktor cannon str8 if hits auto immobilize flyers (-1hull point?)
that sum it up
do they come with 2 grots upgrade to 6?

 Orock wrote:

forgotten ghosts wrote:
so
smasha gun s5-10ap1 averages s7
bubble chucka roll at beginning of the game for s and ap
traktor cannon str8 if hits auto immobilize flyers (-1hull point?)
that sum it up
do they come with 2 grots upgrade to 6?

no, bubblechucka rolls once each turn, and ONLY after you have declared targets, making it a bit worse then your description.

 TedNugent wrote:
These damn Meks and the new Painboys are monopose and they don't have a Kustom Forcefield on the sprue.

Spoiler:

 adamsouza wrote:
bunch of stuff already covered so we can keep the repeat questions down.

HQs listed as
Zagstruk
Grotsnik
Mek is a slotless HQ, 1 per actual HQ bought
Big Mek does not change FoC
Painboy
Warboss does not change FoC
Weirdboy.
Badrukk is a HQ (3+, 5++, str 7 AP2 assault 3 gun) , Badrukk has the rules listed for Da Rippa, but it is not listed in his wargear
Snikrot is not HQ, Snikkrot an elite (doesnt take a slot if taken with Kommandos) (shrouded on arrival, you pick an edge to outflank dont roll)
No Wazdakka
No Zogwort.
Ghaz is a LOW now, can take runts/squigs, stats look unchaged

D6 Warlord Trait
1 Prophet of the Waaagh!: Mork (or possibly Gork) has chosen this Warlord for greatness, and every Ork under his command knows it.
The Warlord gains the Waaagh! special rule. If the Warlord already has the Waaagh! special rule then, in addition to the usual effects, all friendly models with the ’Ere We Go! special rule gain the Fearless special rule when he calls a Waaagh!, until the start of their next turn.
2 Bellowing Tyrant: This Warlord is an unholy terror, a roaring lunatic whose every (very loud) word is law.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, re-roll failed Morale checks and Pinning tests.
3 Like a Thunderbolt!: This Warlord is a master of the all-out, no-holds-barred, headlong charge into battle.
The Warlord, and all friendly units with the Orks Faction within 12" of him, can re-roll all the dice when determining Run moves or charge range.
4 Brutal but Kunnin’: This Warlord has a sneaky streak a mile wide and knows just where to hit his foes.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed To Hit or To Wound roll each turn.
5 Kunnin’ but Brutal: The Warlord knows when to roll with a punch, and can shrug off the hardest blows.
The Warlord can re-roll one failed armour or invulnerable saving throw each turn.
6 Might is Right: Made of muscle and aggression, this Warlord is the embodiment of the Orks’ warlike nature.
The Warlord receives +1 to the Strength characteristic on his profile.

Buggys don't get new weapons, do get Grot Riggers at 10 points.
Not seen anything about FNP at all yet.
Grot riggers don't just work for IWND on 'nauts, any vehicle that has them, but cost per vehicle seems to differ. 20 to put them on a 'naut. BW don't seem to have the option.
Looks to be a lot more options with selecting wargear for meks
"A Big Mek may take items from the Mek Weapons, Melee Weapons, Runts & Squigs, Orky Know-wots and/or Gifts of Gork and Mork lists."
Mob rule is replaced by the D6 roll, yes.

Kustom Mega Slugga is a thing.
A Big Mek with mega armour can take one of the following
- Tellyport blasta Tellyporta blasta is the back mouned thing I've been describing and seems... uh, situational at best? Very short range weapon but causes instant death on a 6 wound. Rolling a 6 on AP causes a penetrating hit regardless of AV.
- Kustom force field
- Shock attack gun roll of double 6 is vortex!!!
- KFF can be combined with mega armour and bikes, Shock attack gun seems to be combinable with bikes.
- Git finda on SAG mek?



Relics:
Gifts of Gork and Mork
Da Dead Shiny Shoota 6 shots twinlinked shoota, rolls of 1 hit one of your own units
Da Finkin’ Kap gives your warlord an additional trait from the strategic list.
Da Fixer Upperz
Da Lucky Stikk
Headwoppa’s Killchoppa is a +2 str, AP5, rending choppa that beheads on a roll of 6 (insta death).
Warboss Gazbag’s Blitzbike has an AP3 deff gun on it

Mob Chart
D6 Result
1 If the unit is locked in combat, it passes the Morale check or Pinning test. If the unit is not locked in combat, it fails.
2-3 If the unit includes one or more Ork characters (including Independent Characters), it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test.
4-6 If the unit has 10 or more models, it suffers D6 Strength 4 AP- hits, and is then treated as if it had passed the Morale check or Pinning test. The hits are Randomly Allocated. If the unit has fewer than 10 models, it fails the Morale check or Pinning test.

Boss Pole gives Reroll on the mob chart.

Stompa in as super heavy

Battle Wagon up 20 points.

Killkannon still lowers transport on BW

Attack squig nerfed to 1 reroll in melee per turn

Tankbustas can shoot at whatever they like, and Bustas and Burnas can take dedicated trukks

Kommandos get Stealth, no point hike

Ramshackle got clobbered.. 6+ save when you take a pen, if successful downgrade to glance

Buggies in units of 5, gained outflank and a minor point decrease.

Rule for planks is a little complicated. If you get out of open topped and declare a charge, add 2 to the charge range

Deffrolla gains AP4 and loses half the hits

Lootas Heavy Support and cheaper (5 points less per squad)

Kans come in 6 packs, NO twin guns, NO Troop choice option, have special morale rule

If you take an Ork Warband detachment, you can Waaaagh every turn after the first

Weirdboys gain a Warp Charge point if there are 10 or more models with the 'ere we go rule (Pretty much any Ork from what I've seen) in 12" but has to take a psychic save or take a hit.
Power of the Waaagh! and Daemonlogy disciplines.
Can be upgraded to Psyker level 2.
Ork psychic powers are all cool. Either high strength, or teleport, large blast etc.
Primaris power is Frazzle (Blast witchfire).
'Eadbanger is now a focussed witchfire.
Warpath is a self blessing
Da jump is what used to be 'ere we go.
Killbolt is a beam attack.
Power vomit is a template witchfire.
Da Krunch is a barrage witchfire.

Cheap IWND on vehicles (5 points on Kans, 10 on dreds)

Painboy is IC, so put him where you need him, can take a bike.

Dedi transports available for burnas and tank bustas now

Warboss/Bigmek Mega Armor Kit is a thing

Ork boys cost 1 less point, but Shoota is 1 pt ugrade now

The HQ Mek (not Big Mek) has Boy statline

Pain Boys can not get 'Eavy Amor?

Zzap gun 2D6, gets hot on a 1-3 if you roll 11 or 12

Kannons and Lobbas unchanged

 Melcavuk wrote:

Eavy armour dropped by a point (to 4) but thats it