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Hey,

I've recently noticed something; there appear to be several links that suggest that WHFB occurs in the 40K universe.

One of my strongest pieces of evidence is the creation of the current world; made by powerful psykers, known as the 'Old Ones',who succumbed to Chaos. This seems remarkably similar to the ancient Eldar; they are psykers, who travel through ethereal gateways, who transform worlds to their bidding. This is further backed up by the forces of Chaos being prevalent in both worlds.

I have a slightly less strong lead in the god Sotek; a new god, literally 'The Serpent', who now resides among the old ones; even claimed to be responsible for destroying ships. This seems to fit the with the craftworld of Saim-Hann; it may even be possible that the ships are destroyed by their craft, resembling a serpent in the distance.

Then again, I might be just silly.

Thanks,
Blap

Short answer no.

Long answer is no too, while both universes are connected in some way through the warp they are totally separate entities that exist outside of each other.

Some things can and do slip through to both worlds however.

Long answer : Noooooooooo
Short one ; No

In the olden days it used to be strongly hinted, but it was never expanded on and generally abandoned. Although in 40k Kaldor Draigo ended up in the WHFB world in a short story.

Also the Old Ones were a race that warred with the Necrons. Very old concept sketches basically had them as, no surprise, Lizardmen in Space but nothing was ever done with that concept.

There is an awful lot of overlap if they aren't in the same setting.

Chaos Gods and matching Daemons
The elven pantheon of gods being shared between universes.
The Old Ones.
Sigmar's story being very reminiscent of how the life of most Primarchs went until being reunited with the Emperor.

 Eldarain wrote:
There is an awful lot of overlap if they aren't in the same setting.

Chaos Gods and matching Daemons
The elven pantheon of gods being shared between universes.
The Old Ones.
Sigmar's story being very reminiscent of how the life of most Primarchs went until being reunited with the Emperor.

Yep, that's a holdover from the old days when it was strongly implied to be the case; like in the original Chaos book you could get like bolters and stuff in your WHFB warband, and yeah I believe at one point it was implied Sigmar was a Primarch who just never got found by the Emperor. They don't really hint at that though beyond the obvious (Eldar/Elf gods, Daemons, Old Ones) anymore though.

The DoC book has a map of the Realm of Chaos...
In the top right corner, there is this rather unique little warpstorm'esque looking area that's labeled the "Eye of Terror"

Make of that what you will, but it does seem that GW is backpedaling a wee bit and going back the 1st/2nd ed (40k) days of it being highly hinted that the Fantasy world does indeed exist in the 41st millennium.
The old reasoning from back in the day as to why no 40k race has shown up and obliterated the Fantasy world was that the world itself was lost within a massive warpstorm or the Eye itself and thus can't be reached by starship, etc...

Hell, back when GW did the old Chaos Warbands rules in WD, the US team even created rules that allowed for a warband led by a Chaos Space Marine and follower options for things like Big Mutants w/Heavy stubbers, or giving lasguns/bolters to Chaos Warriors/Knights, etc...

1.) At the beginning it was strongly implied that both universes are the same.
2.) Then the designers realized that it caused too many logic problems and restrictions and denied that both are in the same universe.
3.) Some of those designers left GW, so it is not unthinkable that the DoC map was made in a design studio less aware of those problems, esp. as Matt Ward has written the previous DoC armybook's background

Yes and No

Even tho most players accept that WHFB is it's own plain of existence the current fluff it does strongly hint that the worlds are in the same universe.... one simple link is the Webway portals described in the Fantasy fluff.

It all depends what you mean by "universe," I suppose.

The metaphysics behind both are very, very similar. As others have stated, old Chaos fluff made no distinction between the two worlds.

OTOH, is the WFB world literally a planet in the 40k galaxy? Probably not.

The other problem is that the WFB world is so strongly based on our world, in a very tolkien-esque "ancient myth" sort of way. (I'm sure the old crew got stoned and created the WFB world as a half way point between middle earth and our current world. YMMV).

If anything, I'd guess that the WFB is a primoridal version of Terra, and Sigmar was the Emperor.

WayneTheGame wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
There is an awful lot of overlap if they aren't in the same setting.

Chaos Gods and matching Daemons
The elven pantheon of gods being shared between universes.
The Old Ones.
Sigmar's story being very reminiscent of how the life of most Primarchs went until being reunited with the Emperor.

Yep, that's a holdover from the old days when it was strongly implied to be the case; like in the original Chaos book you could get like bolters and stuff in your WHFB warband, and yeah I believe at one point it was implied Sigmar was a Primarch who just never got found by the Emperor. They don't really hint at that though beyond the obvious (Eldar/Elf gods, Daemons, Old Ones) anymore though.

Actually it's the opposite, they used.to be linked then they were separated and now once again they are linked again, but only through the warp.

Ever since that gw rep "apparently" stated that they were separate gw fluff writers, codex writers and bl authors have dumped a metric ton of 40k items and characters into the fantasy universe, we have now seen a fantasy created deamon enter the 40k.universe too.

But only through the warp.

Ref: all liber chaotica, belakor, albion campaign, soulgrinders, entire deamon codex/army book.

Wow, I totally forgot about Soulgrinders. That's a very specific thing to link the two.

Skulltaker is in both 40k and fantasy.

Funnily enough, Archaon (the abaddon on fantasy) has a daemon trapped inside his sword.
The daemon is U'zhul.
This just also happens to be skulltakers daemon name


There are tons of hints and bits that fit very well, but nothing set in stone.

 Jackal wrote:
Skulltaker is in both 40k and fantasy.

Funnily enough, Archaon (the abaddon on fantasy) has a daemon trapped inside his sword.
The daemon is U'zhul.
This just also happens to be skulltakers daemon name


There are tons of hints and bits that fit very well, but nothing set in stone.

And how great is that!

It means we can have these discussions.

In liber chaotica khorne we have a deamon weapon called the chainblade or howling blade or something, it's a picture of a chainsword, in the last chaos warriors book we also had the rending blade that was described as a chainblade, a power fist on albion, some funky las weapon from the lizardmen, it's endless

The thing to remember is that the Warp isn't just another dimension, it's an unreality.

So just because the Warp connects two worlds does not mean those worlds exist in the same reality.

Back in the day there were Warriors of Chaos heroes with bolt gun holsters and the like

And the plot of Chainsaw Warrior (a very old pre-40k GW game that is now available in a really not so great computer version on Steam) is you climbing an office building to stop a Warp Rift opening and letting the forces of Chaos loose.

By the same argument there must be some warp passage between 40k/WHFB and the universe of Chainsaw Warrior (i.e. modern day earth crossed with Duke Nukem).

I'm perfectly fine with that... gotta go make me a chainsaw warrior special character now.

 dementedwombat wrote:
And the plot of Chainsaw Warrior (a very old pre-40k GW game that is now available in a really not so great computer version on Steam) is you climbing an office building to stop a Warp Rift opening and letting the forces of Chaos loose.

By the same argument there must be some warp passage between 40k/WHFB and the universe of Chainsaw Warrior (i.e. modern day earth crossed with Duke Nukem).

I'm perfectly fine with that... gotta go make me a chainsaw warrior special character now.

If said game is made by gw has gw characters and is set in one of the gw universes..then yes.

Its not though so your fluffy logic doesn't apply, if I have an animal that looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.. Then I'm pretty sure it's a duck, that's the logic were useing.