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2014/03/25 13:08:20
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
So Bay was showing off TF4 and Ninja Turtles at the event. Instead of a TF4 trailer, he actually put together 12-15 minutes of the movie itself to show off various parts, including a very major plot point that's going to tick off a LOT of people if this isn't one of his misinformation tactics(which I doubt since it's so close to opening and shooting this scene just to show it off would be insanely expensive. Putting in the full description and a TLDR version, both in spoilers. Don't read if you don't wanna know.
Next up was Transformers: Age of Extinction, which was presented by Mark Wahlberg--Michael Bay was a last minute no-show this year--who also introduced his younger co-stars Nicola Peltz and Jack Reynor. Wahlberg talked briefly about joining the movie but also proclaimed that it was going to be "bigger and better than the other three combined" as well as the biggest movie of 2014. (Sorry, "Mockingjay"!)
Instead of just showing the most recent trailer, Bay had put together a good chunk of footage from the movie, maybe 12 to 15 minutes, similar to what he did with the original Transformers seven years ago. It gave us a much clearer picture of the characters and the general story while still leaving a good number of questions open.
The footage began with a shot of a dinosaur (very Tree of Life) and a bunch of sweeping establishing shots of mountains and fields as well as showing a sign saying "Remember Chicago" as homage to those who died in the battle of Chicago from Transformers: Dark of the Moon. We then see a number of alien spaceships invading a city and a battle between them and the Autobots, and then the footage cuts to a boat being boarded by a group of military men looking for something and Walhberg's character racing a jeep towards the scene. Stanley Tucci's character appears randomly and without any sort of introduction is complaining about the decision to hide in a glass room.
After those seemingly rather random scenes, the exhibitors in attendance were shown a nice chunk of footage from the opening of the movie, setting up the three main characters played by Wahlberg, Peltz and Reynor as the former's character Cade Yeager is bringing an old beaten-up truck back to the farm where he's greeted by Wahlberg's daughter Tessa (Nicola Peltz) and his partner Lucas (T.J. Miller) and they immediately get into an argument about him buying the truck, because money has clearly been tight for the Yeagers in recent years. But not quite as tight as Tessa's shorts, and this being Michael Bay, we do get a lot of gratuitous ass shots showing them off. Cade hopes that he can "flip" the truck for parts and sell it off, but a short while later, when he gives the truck some juice, we hear the unmistakable voice of Optimus Prime saying "Calling All Autobots."
We then see four SUV's holding federal agents driving through the fields towards the Yeager farm and in the lead is James Savoy, a tough agent who confronts Cade and the others. He's told by Kelsey Grammer's character over an earpiece to "work on the girl" so he pushes Tessa over, but before they can get too far in getting information, Optimus busts out of the barn and says "Here I am" and starts firing at the agents as the entire place literally explodes as Cade tries to escape with Tessa and Lucas. They're saved by the arrival of some sort of dune buggy being driven by Reynor's character Shane, who we learn (at the same time as Tessa's dad) is her boyfriend.
From there, we cut to a point shortly after that as their escape attempt is halted in the middle of a vacant stretch of road by a battle between Optimus and Galvatron, who seems to be controlled by someone at the command of Stanley Tucci's character. The fight is pretty heated as the humans try to hide behind cars but then suddenly Optimus is hit square in the chest by a missile and he falls to the ground. We then see the giant spacecraft hovering over the fields and out comes the menacing Lockdown, whose face transformers into a rocket launcher that sends another missile to take Optimus down on top of the car in which Tessa is in. (Tucci in the control room tells the person controlling Galvatron to get him out of there.) Lockdown then motions to the larger spacecraft that releases a smaller ship (probably another Transformer) with which the robot merges, before approaching Galvatron and the car under which Tessa is trapped, dropping a net over both and scooping them up. Cade and Shane run over to save her, Wahlberg doing an impressive leap into the air to grab onto the net before falling back to the ground once it gets too high.
These scenes were followed by a couple of bursts of footage, some from the earlier trailer and Super Bowl spot but also including more of Lockdown's giant spacecraft hovering over the city, a brief bit from a fight between Optimus Prime and Grimlock as well as Savoy chasing Cade across the fire escapes of Hong Kong. Throughout the footage, we see quite a few glimpses of Stanley Tucci and Kelsey Grammer's characters, as they seem to be playing the government types who have declared that the "Age of Transformers is over."
The footage ended with a funny scene of Wahlberg in a piece of a spaceship crashing down into a street and a guy in the car that gets damaged by the crash comes out and yelling at him about insurance. Wahlberg completely goes off on him, even heading back into the wreckage to look for an alien gun to shoot him with.
The amount of footage shown was quite overwhelming, but it succeeded on quite a few levels, firstly in establishing the relationship between Wahlberg as an overprotective father to Peltz's teen daughter. Showing this particular footage shows that Bay is going back to the basics of the original Transformers and making sure to focus on establishing the humans before getting too far into the world of battling robots. The footage also showed off a number of impressive set pieces that should be on par with the previous movies including one where Wahlberg, Reynor and Bumblebee are hanging from large swinging power cables that are draped over a tall building.
Spoiler:
TLDR: Galvatron is NOT Megatron, but a human controlled and created Transformer using technology taken from studying Megatron's head/corpse(which has been seen on sets during filming).
Feel free to nerd rage for my enjoyment.
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2014/03/25 13:24:16
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
I have really low expectations for TF movies in general but....wow.
Next TF The Unicron Corp - An earth based corporation linked to the making of Galvatron - takes in Trashed 'formers and remakes them to take over the world. Prime is near death in this one too.......
2014/03/25 13:30:57
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
This is a different article and purely about the TF4 stuff they saw.
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2014/03/25 13:37:05
Subject: Re:Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
Think we can live with both, turtle specific info can be moved on.
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2014/03/25 15:28:06
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
As I refused to see TF3 until it only cost a dollar, and view that as an unwise move, I don't think I'll be spending any money on this.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2014/03/25 15:30:11
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
The idea of spoilers for a Transformers movie just seems weird. I mean, has anyone on the planet ever said 'oh don't tell me which giant robots fight each other and who wins, I want to be surprised by Bay's plotting genius'?
Spoiler alert - this film will have impressive action scenes, gratuitous shots of models in revealing clothes, a plot that makes no sense, really crude and kind of nasty humour, almost no-one will like it but it will make hundreds of millions of dollars.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/03/26 05:59:20
Subject: Re:Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
sebster wrote: The idea of spoilers for a Transformers movie just seems weird. I mean, has anyone on the planet ever said 'oh don't tell me which giant robots fight each other and who wins, I want to be surprised by Bay's plotting genius'?
Spoiler alert - this film will have impressive action scenes, gratuitous shots of models in revealing clothes, a plot that makes no sense, really crude and kind of nasty humour, almost no-one will like it but it will make hundreds of millions of dollars.
I'm not even sure Bay's action scenes are that impressive as he fills the screen with so much gak I can barely make out what's going on.
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2014/03/26 06:49:30
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
Cheesecat wrote: I'm not even sure Bay's action scenes are that impressive as he fills the screen with so much gak I can barely make out what's going on.
It isn't my kind of action scene, either. Like you, first and foremost I like knowing what's going on, getting a sense for the geography of the scene - how everyone is positioned and where they are trying to get to.
But not everyone is like that. Plenty of action fans seem happy to see loads of explosions and guns firing and bodies falling, without needing to know how any of it really links together. And in terms of that kind of action, Michael Bay delivers, not just on the elaborate explosions front, but on all that kinetic editing stuff that people who know lots more than me would be able to explain.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2014/03/26 09:21:47
Subject: Re:Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
I almost certainly will not see this* and am pretty sure it will suck. That being said, I have no problem with re-imaging Galvatron's origin because, quite frankly, it's going to be a little hard to introduce him the way that cartoon did.
*but Grimlock!
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2014/03/26 14:27:31
Subject: Re:Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
sebster wrote: The idea of spoilers for a Transformers movie just seems weird. I mean, has anyone on the planet ever said 'oh don't tell me which giant robots fight each other and who wins, I want to be surprised by Bay's plotting genius'?
Spoiler alert - this film will have impressive action scenes, gratuitous shots of models in revealing clothes, a plot that makes no sense, really crude and kind of nasty humour, almost no-one will like it but it will make hundreds of millions of dollars.
I'd have to agree with you 100% seb.
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sebster wrote: The idea of spoilers for a Transformers movie just seems weird. I mean, has anyone on the planet ever said 'oh don't tell me which giant robots fight each other and who wins, I want to be surprised by Bay's plotting genius'?
Spoiler alert - this film will have impressive action scenes, gratuitous shots of models in revealing clothes, a plot that makes no sense, really crude and kind of nasty humour, almost no-one will like it but it will make hundreds of millions of dollars.
Sebster wins the thread.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/03/26 15:06:18
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
Mr. Burning wrote: Next TF The Unicron Corp - An earth based corporation linked to the making of Galvatron - takes in Trashed 'formers and remakes them to take over the world. Prime is near death in this one too.......
It sounds like a (bad) reworking of the old Swoop, Centurion & Professor Morris plot from the comics.
Meh, I'll probably watch it if I happen to be in the mood for big smashy junk. That's about it. I don't go into a bay movie expecting anything intelligent.
2014/03/26 16:44:43
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
So far I'm just planning on seeing Godzilla, Grand Budapest Hotel, Hobbit III The Final Booty, and maybe XMen.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2014/03/26 16:59:23
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
I'm amazed people are willing to give money to this movie in general. I mean, did you not see the last 3 Transformers movies? What possible thing in those movies is there that makes you want to go back for fourths?
Isn't this basically the plot of season 4 of the original series, the Headmasters?
Heck, Galvatron has always been a puppet. I'm not bothered by this change. The armada that arrives is much stranger- Transformers has usually dealt with a small portion of a larger conflict, not a full war scenario.
I still lament poor Grimlock's domestication. Me Grimlock not mount, me KING!
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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2014/03/26 19:39:19
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
I still lament poor Grimlock's domestication. Me Grimlock not mount, me KING!
That happened in Season 3 of G1.
Does no one else remember him wearing an apron and bowtie and serving drinks as a T. Rex?
Seriously, Bay can't do anything to Grimlock that's worse than his entire treatment as comedy relief in Season 3.
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You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
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2014/03/26 19:41:34
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
2014/03/26 19:42:47
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)
You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
2014/03/27 02:50:06
Subject: Huge TF4 Plot Point Spoiled at Cinemacon Rising Star Awards (Spoilers)