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Ok, I'm the first to admit that there are things about 40k I don't like (IK, LotD as a supplement etc). But when I look at all the hate on here, all I think to myself is;
-Well if you don't like it, don't play that list e.g. If there's a Taudar monster player and you think it's spammy, don't play it if you can (this is particularly easy with the expansions)
-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k. So please, back off.
-If you REALLY cannot get on with the game at all, take a break. Keep up with the hobby, expand your forces maybe, but don't play until you get a new rules set you can live with.
-Not everything is screwed up. 40k is supposed to be fun, so have fun! Play to the fluff, make custom games, whatever. Just enjoy the game, or at least the aspects you love.

Amen....

While I agree in part with you...you better find a bunker, my friend.

Agreed. At the end of the day its just a game. If people cant handle the fact there is a game they play but hate then well somethings up with them.

No game is perfect. But I think people want 40K to be something its not.

Also brace yourself. We are a minority on this forum. Prepare to get hit by some flinging dung from the masses.

Have an exalt, OP.

As I've said time and time again, 40k is what you make it. Take it seriously, make winning the focus and you'll probably be disappointed fast.

On the other hand, just play to have a good time, throw some dice with friends and see awesome minis blowing each other apart, then you can have hours of fun.

You can love the game but hate the company..

Problem with 40k is that people like to win games any means possible and if its legal then they will play it including exploitation of the rules which lead to said lists. The main problem is that it appears the majority of people playing said lists is the majority of the player base of 40k, not saying all are but it is becoming the majority rapidly as I have noticed.

Right now the games split between two types of player (which is poor rules making if you're dividing players):
The casual crowd
The competitive crowd

Because of power level the game has progressed either with play with models you like or play the arms race (which is never healthy for a game).

My opinion on the matter is that I will always play for fun in 40k so I never find a game too bad of a time, for me when it get competitive then I get bored, so I stay out of that crowd and I feel fine for it

I agree completely OP, I don't have much else to add on other than just offering my support. 40K is still a blast to play and I'll never get tired of collecting and painting a new army.

I don't think I can really complain about anything other than the cost of models and supplies, but what do you expect? Hobbies aren't cheap.

There really is too much negativity going around and it makes me sad. People are allowed to criticize and voice their opinions, but sometimes I feel like I'm taking part in a completely different hobby than most people here. I mean the worst part about 40K to me is cleaning mold lines.

Check out my signature. It has become a story of my life. I see so much rage on the net and all I can think is "are they playing a different game then me"? I play about 3-4 times a month the last time I didn't enjoy myself was 2-3 months ago. Bad mission, bad dice, bad beat all around. It was not GW's fault. It wasn't.
I think the game is great. I love the variety. I never know what I'll play against. I am in a narrative campaign now and I've never had more fun. Ohh and technically I'm losing. That's ok though. Its not GW's fault.
Is there some goofy stuff sure there is. I can't help but to find the irony in grown men whining about their toys... The same way my 7 & 5 year old whine about Skylanders...
Great game I love it.

I found that when I moved away from playing in tournaments and focused on playing casually the pressure of wanting to win eased up and I enjoyed the game a lot more.

This is not to say that I don't see flaws or agree with some of them, but they are a lot less severe and detrimental to my ability to play them game when I'm not trying to compete for prize support of some kind (usually store credit).

I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favourite anti-hate post from Dakka!

Ranting about all the ranting people are doing is hypocritical.

I'm not happy with some of the changes GW has made. I'm a little burned out on 40K in general. Since ranting and raving don't do anything, I'm taking a bit of a break. Resetting myself as it were. I still have fun when I play probably because I steer away from Tournaments.

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Ranting about all the ranting people are doing is hypocritical.

So it's only okay to complain as long as its aimed at GW then?

GW sucks, 40k is sweet.

I'll enjoy reading this thread for the next few days.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

My point was, if Rick and the GW team hadn't come up with the idea, everything we have and moan about today wouldn't exist. Maybe it would improve NOW, but we owe them.


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
Ranting about all the ranting people are doing is hypocritical.

Totally agree, have an exalt. But someone needed to say something, all this hate gets us nowhere and it's not helpful

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

My point was, if Rick and the GW team hadn't come up with the idea, everything we have and moan about today wouldn't exist. Maybe it would improve NOW, but we owe them.

Bleh. If they hadn't come up with the idea then someone else would have done it. Also, I like to think that I'm not living in the past. I don't care what happened X years ago, I only care about what's happening now .

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

My point was, if Rick and the GW team hadn't come up with the idea, everything we have and moan about today wouldn't exist. Maybe it would improve NOW, but we owe them.

Bleh. If they hadn't come up with the idea then someone else would have done it. Also, I like to think that I'm not living in the past. I don't care what happened X years ago, I only care about what's happening now .

How will it improve without GW?

No new releases (have to rely on what we have now or fan made), no stores to gather new players or give most people a place to play, models will be hard to get for all units and rules. No GW = things will stay as they are now with no improvement but dying.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

My point was, if Rick and the GW team hadn't come up with the idea, everything we have and moan about today wouldn't exist. Maybe it would improve NOW, but we owe them.

Bleh. If they hadn't come up with the idea then someone else would have done it. Also, I like to think that I'm not living in the past. I don't care what happened X years ago, I only care about what's happening now .

How will it improve without GW?

No new releases (have to rely on what we have now or fan made), no stores to gather new players or give most people a place to play, models will be hard to get for all units and rules. No GW = things will stay as they are now with no improvement but dying.

Someone else will take over the franchise and that's all. FFG, Chapterhouse Studios, pick your poison.

If GW goes under you'd need a really big company to pull that wreck out of the fire.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

My point was, if Rick and the GW team hadn't come up with the idea, everything we have and moan about today wouldn't exist. Maybe it would improve NOW, but we owe them.

Bleh. If they hadn't come up with the idea then someone else would have done it. Also, I like to think that I'm not living in the past. I don't care what happened X years ago, I only care about what's happening now .

How will it improve without GW?

No new releases (have to rely on what we have now or fan made), no stores to gather new players or give most people a place to play, models will be hard to get for all units and rules. No GW = things will stay as they are now with no improvement but dying.

Someone else will take over the franchise and that's all. FFG, Chapterhouse Studios, pick your poison.

Im sure those tiny companies will have the money, staff and will to go through all that work to take over a company. It doesnt work like that.

Just because its going out of business doesn't mean some tiny little company can take ownership of all its product and make money from it.

GW dying will probably hurt the hobby more than anything else.

I completely agree with the OP. When it comes down to it, we're talking about our little plastic mans that do the shootbangs across the table - and people talk like there are lives at stake.

I think people should take a little dose of context with that nice warm cup of tea they clearly need. Seriously guys and gals. Just relax

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Mitranekh the Omniscient wrote:

-Can we give GW a break?? I know they've made some stuff-ups, and possibly broken 6th and maybe the whole game. But they're trying. Without them there's no FW, no BL, no 40k.

Untrue. 40k would live on without GW, no problem. Actually, it would probably prosper even more without GW's "We are just in for the money!" policy.

My point was, if Rick and the GW team hadn't come up with the idea, everything we have and moan about today wouldn't exist. Maybe it would improve NOW, but we owe them.

Bleh. If they hadn't come up with the idea then someone else would have done it. Also, I like to think that I'm not living in the past. I don't care what happened X years ago, I only care about what's happening now .

Now you are saying nonsense. Althought its rather the childish pseudophilosophy Because no, if GW team didnt come with WH40K you would be playing someting completely different. Or you wouldnt. Believe me, son, I have played some already dead games.

Who said that GW's stuff must live on? If they go down in flames, then the others can just dance around the embers and call it a day. Nobody forces them to continue GW's sh*t. We want 40k and not Taudar, ifyouknowwhatImean.

All they really need is production capability and a good design team.

Because no, if GW team didn't come with WH40K you would be playing something completely different.

Maybe. But who cares? Because I don't. I want my good 40k here and now and not in the past or in some hypothetical situation where GW never existed.

 AtoMaki wrote:
Who said that GW's stuff must live on? If they go down in flames, then the others can just dance around the embers and call it a day. Nobody forces them to continue GW's sh*t. We want 40k and not Taudar, ifyouknowwhatImean.

All they really need is production capability and a good design team.

No. For a little while other companies will make heaps by selling "not GW stuff" but just like all discontinued games it will die away and something else will be here. And it wont be 40k. There may always be 40k players but their numbers will dwindle by the day.

 Swastakowey wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Who said that GW's stuff must live on? If they go down in flames, then the others can just dance around the embers and call it a day. Nobody forces them to continue GW's sh*t. We want 40k and not Taudar, ifyouknowwhatImean.

All they really need is production capability and a good design team.

No. For a little while other companies will make heaps by selling "not GW stuff" but just like all discontinued games it will die away and something else will be here. And it wont be 40k. There may always be 40k players but their numbers will dwindle by the day.

Their numbers dwindle by the day even now. Doh.

Also, if you think that 40k = GW then of course that the franchise will die without the company. But thing is 40k =/= GW. Otherwise, GW wouldn't need that massive army of lawyers to keep everything in check .

I do worry sometimes what all of the negativity on sites like this could be doing to the hobby as a whole. New players might get caught up in it all and have their enjoyment of the game impeded. There's certainly valid criticisms to be made of GW, but sometimes I think it goes a bit far, and things get viewed an overly negative mindset. For example, when GW launched that Digital Editions Facebook page which communicated with customers, I recall that quite a few posters on here reacted with "They should have been doing this anyway" rather than "This is a step in the right direction".

It'd be nice if GW did more reaching out so that they could tell their side of things and build goodwill with their customers. That Digital Editions Facebook page was well-liked. It took the time to engage with people and answer their questions. and people appreciated that. It's a shame it got taken down, but hopefully it'll be back in some form once this new GW site stuff is sorted out.

Just my thoughts on things.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
Who said that GW's stuff must live on? If they go down in flames, then the others can just dance around the embers and call it a day. Nobody forces them to continue GW's sh*t. We want 40k and not Taudar, ifyouknowwhatImean.

All they really need is production capability and a good design team.

No. For a little while other companies will make heaps by selling "not GW stuff" but just like all discontinued games it will die away and something else will be here. And it wont be 40k. There may always be 40k players but their numbers will dwindle by the day.

Their numbers dwindle by the day even now. Doh.

Also, if you think that 40k = GW then of course that the franchise will die without the company. But thing is 40k =/= GW. Otherwise, GW wouldn't need that massive army of lawyers to keep everything in check .

Only time will tell, but if GW dies, and 40k dies with it, I will take my wife to (hungary sorry, interesting...) and hunt you down to tell you I was right. If you are correct, you have permission to do the same but it will be unlikely I assure you.

Meh, it could be worse; they could be Mantic. Watching Mantic's business model is like an old keystone cops feature...