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update 83 said: Estimated Shipping date: Feb 2021 (so not with the wave 3 stuff)

but given black Friday stuff is just beginning to appear the may well take a month or two to get round to them (or more if they weren't in the containers that finally got out of the rail yards)

 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
update 83 said: Estimated Shipping date: Feb 2021 (so not with the wave 3 stuff)

but given black Friday stuff is just beginning to appear the may well take a month or two to get round to them (or more if they weren't in the containers that finally got out of the rail yards)


I missed that - thank you Orlando!

And yeah, Kingdom Death's normal pace of progress + Pandemic Shipping Woes + USPS in recovery mode = "It's gonna be a while"...

   
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If Black Friday orders are finally going out (I'm going to assume older releases, as the new stuff went out pretty quickly) maybe they finally got those shipping containers they'd been waiting on?

I'd like to see some movement on those pinups. They are definitely out there in the wild in AUS and the UK for sure. If shipping wasn't ungodly sums for a single figure I'd probably grab one to tide me over until my own pledge arrives...

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 Alpharius wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
update 83 said: Estimated Shipping date: Feb 2021 (so not with the wave 3 stuff)

but given black Friday stuff is just beginning to appear the may well take a month or two to get round to them (or more if they weren't in the containers that finally got out of the rail yards)


I missed that - thank you Orlando!

And yeah, Kingdom Death's normal pace of progress + Pandemic Shipping Woes + USPS in recovery mode = "It's gonna be a while"...


I missed It first time round as well and though they'd be in the same shipment initially too

 
   
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Not surprised the Kickstarter updates don't get as much attention as they used too, but in case anyone missed the latest one, Poots has set a deadline to get the Gamblers Chest ready for production by August (With shipping expected Q1/Q2 2022), totes for reals this time.

More interesting (to me at least, because I've always thought it would be a good idea), was Poots comment that they've tried, twice, to bring in a Project Manager to help but they didn't last long :(

   
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FWIW, strictly, this only stated being finished "developing" by the end of the year. This leaves trial printing (which they explicitly do), shipping those back, proofing them, then actually going into production, and all the international delays right now.

In similar news, the update card pack that was put on preorder is getting proofed now so might be to those who ordered, within a year of having been preordered. For some cards. Explicitly with or without some promised replacements, depending on which list of components you believe.


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So best case, wave three will be four years late. Wave four, with the new expansions, will probably be even later.
   
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There hasn't been talk of finalizing CoD yet, and if you're paying attention to the pictures you can see there's an undiscussed new hybrid armor set or some other variant, so we can assume they're not even done adding new content that needs rules and sculpting.


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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
There hasn't been talk of finalizing CoD yet, and if you're paying attention to the pictures you can see there's an undiscussed new hybrid armor set or some other variant, so we can assume they're not even done adding new content that needs rules and sculpting.


I was wondering if that was a new Spider Silk guy tucked down there amongst the miscellaneous pictures, and I don't think there's been an official mention of the Mushroom Armour set either.
Yeah, even if (and that's a big if) the Gamblers Chest stays on schedule there's still years of work left to do.

   
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I’m half considering getting a refund at this point. This was the first update that rather than renewing my excitement just left me deflated.
   
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The two attempts at working with a project manager is very funny to me. One didn't learn the game, which isn't necessary for project management but it still seems they were let go for it, and the other didn't feel comfortable with the workplace culture/environment and quit. Given that this information was quietly tucked away in the comments of an update that ended with yet more art and renders for content that is unrelated to what has been promised for Wave 4, I can't say I'm surprised.

It's rude to assume, but in hindsight it seems obvious to me now that a project manager was never going to help this far down the line now that the worst of their habits have been well and truly cemented.

"Here's some more bad news, we're running behind our rolling delay schedule again, we swear it was unavoidable, cut us some slack, now enjoy all of this proof that we've actively been distracting ourselves with future content post-Wave 4"
   
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for a team as small as KD everybody has to be able to at least help out in different roles so yes i'd expect the new project manager to at least try and learn the game

(after all without knowing what it is all about they won't be able to properly weight their descisions, what can they push Adam on, what is a clear no go, what to they need to really chase the factory for to allow dev & release to go smoothly, what do they give a little more flexibility on to keep the relationship sweet etc)

that's not to say I think it would be a simple/easy job by any stretch, especially with no travel possible

 
   
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> One didn't learn the game, which isn't necessary for project management

They can go work for EA games, then.

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Was the game provided to them free and assembled?

   
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ya. I have no sympathy for the PM that didn't learn the game. If you work for a company, you need to learn the product especially if it's your role to get the development/production on track and hitting deadlines. You cannot do that unless you understand what the team is doing and why. I'd boot any PM that tried to work for my team that didn't actually learn/use what we were selling.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Was the game provided to them free and assembled?


I'm sure they got a free copy. Assembly though is part of learning what the product is.

Still, I'm not sure how much hope I have on this getting out in the time Adam wants as really he should just stay that it's all done but X and that x will be finished at a cut off date instead of giving promises that I can't really see him keeping. I know I'm getting a lot of stuff for my $777 pledge (even more since Poots doubled the core gamblers plastic content) but there comes a time that delivering a product is more important then making it 100% what you want it to be when you're someone like Poots. even 80% of what he would want would have been a better game then most others out there but he just kept pushing things out and getting people, rightfully, upset with this and probably ruining his companies reputation. I cannot see another KD kickstarter doing this well again.

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Perhaps time is an issue since assembly would all have to be done on the clock.

   
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 Monkeysloth wrote:


Still, I'm not sure how much hope I have on this getting out in the time Adam wants as really he should just stay that it's all done but X and that x will be finished at a cut off date instead of giving promises that I can't really see him keeping. I know I'm getting a lot of stuff for my $777 pledge (even more since Poots doubled the core gamblers plastic content) but there comes a time that delivering a product is more important then making it 100% what you want it to be when you're someone like Poots. even 80% of what he would want would have been a better game then most others out there but he just kept pushing things out and getting people, rightfully, upset with this and probably ruining his companies reputation. I cannot see another KD kickstarter doing this well again.



I dunno.
The disgruntlement level is rather high in the KS comments at the moment but they're still pretty outnumbered by fans (supposedly) willing to wait years until Poots makes the "perfect" game.
If there is a third Kickstarter, it might not hit $13 million again, but I reckon it would probably get close as people gamble on scope creep getting them a ton of freebies again without worrying about the resultant development time.

Heck, I'd back a third one, not in a substantial way, but I'd be willing to pledge for a basic 'Upgrades the game to version 2.0 or whatever' level (As long as it looked fairly completed).

   
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Honestly, if CMON keeps making insane amounts even though they keep having issues with delivering their former kickstarter and often launch another as soon as one's campaign has been successfully funded, I don't see why Kingdom Death wouldn't be able to succeed another one.

Fans never needed logic nor reason. They are only fueled by passion. And well...Kingdom Death is such a niche game (there is nothing like this game anywhere else on the market, as far as I know), what are your options here except waiting ? It's not like there is a real competition for this one specifically, and you know that if this company fails and goes bankrupt, there is little chance anything similar will come back anytime soon. The thing is, the core design of the game and the miniatures are so specialized (least to say is that the universe is...well...not really appealing for the main miniature / boardgame market) it's clearly a project made by pure passion by the designers more than trying to make it profitable (like, ever). And if you're a a fan of it, you know there is only one way to get it. So I think they would have quite a high chance of success if they were to launch another KS hypothetically while this one is not delivered yet.

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 aku-chan wrote:
 spiralingcadaver wrote:
There hasn't been talk of finalizing CoD yet, and if you're paying attention to the pictures you can see there's an undiscussed new hybrid armor set or some other variant, so we can assume they're not even done adding new content that needs rules and sculpting.


I was wondering if that was a new Spider Silk guy tucked down there amongst the miscellaneous pictures, and I don't think there's been an official mention of the Mushroom Armour set either.
Yeah, even if (and that's a big if) the Gamblers Chest stays on schedule there's still years of work left to do.
I have neither the passion nor energy to figure out where it is, but the mushroom armor has been seen at a few points, incl. weapons, concepts and digital sculpts. I don't think it's been shown as done.

And regarding your note on staying in for another KS, yeah that's about where I feel. Like, the game may be awesome (and it's far from perfect but it is enjoyable), but 5 years without substantial new content is like an entire edition cycle for some games. I just find it mystifying at times that fans maintain their enthusiasm with this. I think in some ways it would be a relief to not be waiting for this stuff.


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I find forgetting that I ordered things entirely helps a lot. RiTides gets all my order updates and periodically lets me know if I need to pay attention, and I have the orders shipped to family members who don't move as much as I do (3 states and 4 houses since I backed this) so I don't need to think about that.

What that means for other people, I don't know, but yea, at this point it is basically some massive background system whose epicycles periodically drop a box of something with my name on it somewhere I will probably visit soon in any case. One could call it a really erratic subscription box, or the basis for a primitive religion.

I would probably back again, so long as my parents are in good enough health to still be alive and in my childhood home when the packages arrive... so maybe two more KS tops?


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