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I've been working on a Lamenters list, this is using the Blood Angels rules


HQ 1: Captain Emilio Sanchez Amarillo
-Infernus Pistol
-Power Fist
140

Elite 1: Saguinary Priests
-Apothecrate Consul Alvarez (Counts as Brother Corbulo)
105


Troop 1: 10x Tactical Marine
-Plasma Gun
-Heavy Bolter
180

Troop 2: 10x Tactical Marine
-Plasma Gun
-Heavy Bolter
180

Troop 3: 10x Death Company
-Power Fist
-Rhino
275

Fast Attack 1: 5x Vanguard Veterans
-Sergeant Dual Lightning Claws
-Veteran 1 with Infernus Pistol and Hand Flamer
-Veteran 2 with Infernus Pistol and Hand Flamer
-Veteran 3 with Infernus Pistol and Power Weapon
-Veteran 4 with Infernus Pistol and Power Weapon
-Rhino
290

Heavy 1: 5x Devastator Marine
-2x Las cannon
Razorback
-Twin Linked Lascannon
230


Fortification: Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun
100

Total: 1500

Your two tactical squads are to slow without a transport, you should have 4 weapons in your dev squad, the dev squad doesnt need a transport and with your list the ageis is wasting 25 points. Your space marines so you dont really need the cover save.

To fix, strip the heavy weaps off the tactical squads, put 4 lascannons in the dev squad, take away the razorback for the dev squad, and give your captian some sort of upgraded protection. Artificer armour and a storm shield at a minimum.

ghilliemarine wrote:
Your two tactical squads are to slow without a transport, you should have 4 weapons in your dev squad, the dev squad doesnt need a transport and with your list the ageis is wasting 25 points. Your space marines so you dont really need the cover save.

To fix, strip the heavy weaps off the tactical squads, put 4 lascannons in the dev squad, take away the razorback for the dev squad, and give your captian some sort of upgraded protection. Artificer armour and a storm shield at a minimum.

Blood Angel Captains do not have access to artificer armor

As for the Aegis line I'd like some form of air defense given the presence of Necron Croissants and Helldrakes.

I didn't plan on putting the Devastators inside the Razorback.

My bad i missed the blood angels part, stick him in terminator armour or give him a bike then. For AA go with a baal predator with TL autocannons, you just dont want to waste points on a non scoring, basically only AA piece. And you will still want to stick your tac squads in something or they will get owned as they attempt to make it across. And since your blood angels, why don't you take a div libby?

Oh and by the way i just said the dev squad doesnt need the transport, i never said they were riding in it. It would be better to use the points to make your troops mobile. Just saying.

Very glad to see someone doing a lamenters army. I love the Badab war history.

ghilliemarine wrote:My bad i missed the blood angels part, stick him in terminator armour or give him a bike then. For AA go with a baal predator with TL autocannons, you just dont want to waste points on a non scoring, basically only AA piece. And you will still want to stick your tac squads in something or they will get owned as they attempt to make it across. And since your blood angels, why don't you take a div libby?

Oh and by the way i just said the dev squad doesnt need the transport, i never said they were riding in it. It would be better to use the points to make your troops mobile. Just saying.

Baal Predators have Assault cannons for one, not Autocannons. Not to mention but Four shots, twin linked, with skyfire and interceptor, at strength seven from the Aegis quad gun... combined with the Devastator Sergeant's Signum... would perform much better. It's a 100 points and it can't move but it'll keep the Devastators alive via cover combined with the Feel no pain granted by the Sanguinary Priest.

I debated putting the Captain in Terminator Armor instead of Power Armor but I'd like him to be able to ride around with the Vanguard Veterans if he wants to or lump in with the Tactical Marines.

And yes, Rhinos would give the Tactical marines some extra mobility but they can footslog it just fine if I stick the Priest with them. And I'm fine with the Tactical marines getting shot because any shots that go into them are shots that are not going into my Death Company.

MWHistorian wrote:Very glad to see someone doing a lamenters army. I love the Badab war history.

Me too, my dirty love affair for Badab is the driving force behind doing a Lamenters army in the first place. Also it's part of why I opted not to take a Librarian... it just didn't feel appropriate despite the potential to have Divination. I mean if you were the Red Scorpions or Minotaurs and were in charge of sending the Lamenters on their Penitent Crusade would you have left them with any Librarians?

So you want to stick your priest woth your devs and your tac marines? You have a half str dev squad who is going to get wiped by any decent alpha strike and then your going to have a useless 100 points on the field, 2 slow scoring tac squads who are just going to be picked off, and 2 rhinos who are probably also going to be blown sky high round 1 as you only have three low av vehicles on the field.

Im just trying to figure out if your trying to be competitive or if its just a fluff list.

Any fast moving army, winged infantry, bikes, jetbikes, drop pods, and jump packs are going to wreck that list if you dont try to focus it in some way.

ghilliemarine wrote:
So you want to stick your priest woth your devs and your tac marines? You have a half str dev squad who is going to get wiped by any decent alpha strike and then your going to have a useless 100 points on the field, 2 slow scoring tac squads who are just going to be picked off, and 2 rhinos who are probably also going to be blown sky high round 1 as you only have three low av vehicles on the field.

Im just trying to figure out if your trying to be competitive or if its just a fluff list.

Any fast moving army, winged infantry, bikes, jetbikes, drop pods, and jump packs are going to wreck that list if you dont try to focus it in some way.

I wasn't trying to be super competitive, I just wanted to field a nice well rounded list. I just got back into the hobby after a long hiatus. This is a list that I'd like to build off of, a core if you will, that I could add additional shooting or close combat onto as the force progresses.

Edit:

I mean look at the Vanguard Veteran Squad... if I wanted to be super competitive they'd have lightning claws or at least power weapons along with jump packs. I want to try something different though, something that I don't have prior experience with.

Ok then your list makes a little more sense. If your just getting back into it check out librarians and consider putting a divination libby in with those devs. It'll help make them more effective.

For Blood Angels (or Lamenters, in this case) Assault Marines are better in terms of gameplay and work in fluff.

So I would start with the core of 10x ASM and 10x Tacticals.
I'm not a friend of Devastators, as our tanks do the same job better.

I'll just point out that with the 50 points you are spending on the Rhino, you could buy Jump Packs for your Vanguard Veterans.
And why wouldn't you do that? You get to the opponent faster, you don't need to wait one turn before charging as the enemy shoots at you.
The only advantage that jump packless Veterans have is that they look bad**s ^^

And yeah, the Veteran loadout is a bit random... It makes the unit extremely expensive, which means less bodies on the field, which is never good.
Even less so with Marines.
Even less so with Blood Angels.