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I'm a little bit confused on this. If the God-Emperor needs 1000 souls a day to stay alive, why don't dreadnoughts need 1000 souls a day? If the Golden Throne needs 1000 souls, and dreadnoughts don't, then why didn't they just put the Emperor in a dreadnought and seat the dreadnought on a golden chair?

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Most marines that end up in Dreadnoughts aren't nigh omnipotent psyker gods that were wounded unto death fighting the mortal incarnation of chaos (Who was also one of the mightiest super humans in his own right). They also don't power the astronomicon, a beacon of psychic light so potent it can be seen from across the galaxy. Though Ultramar has some fuzzy reception.

Ah. I see. This was one of my main plot holes in 40K. I was so confused on this. Also, why can't we just have Space marines just drink like a drop of Calgar's blood, since they have the gain memories through eating things organ. That's another of my confusing points.
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No I kind of agree. Never thought about I before but if the BA can put Librarians in dreadnoughts why couldn't the Emperor have been put in one? He would have still been able to project the astronomicon and he would still be in control of the Imperium.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
No I kind of agree. Never thought about I before but if the BA can put Librarians in dreadnoughts why couldn't the Emperor have been put in one? He would have still been able to project the astronomicon and he would still be in control of the Imperium.

Not enough grimdark, is my guess.

Big E was put into the throne before he died. The throne has technology that no one understands and instead of creating a webway it is essentially life support now for the Emperor. He holds back chaos from invading earth and also keeps the beacon 'lit' so that travel through the warp can take place.It is because of all this that the Emperor requires the sacrifice of psychers whereas a dreadnought is essentially the baby of a life support system and a tank.

The Emperor is an immensely powerful psyker; incomparably so. There's no Dreadnought chassis that would be able to contain that much raw psychic energy.

The Emprah would not suffice for a mere Dread....

He must be intered within an Emperor Titan!

An Uber powerful Mega Psyker Emperor Class Titan!! It would be big enough for the throne to fit, the gas tank is where you put the psykers and just fuel up and crush the foes of the imperium!!

 Engine of War wrote:
The Emprah would not suffice for a mere Dread....

He must be intered within an Emperor Titan!

An Uber powerful Mega Psyker Emperor Class Titan!! It would be big enough for the throne to fit, the gas tank is where you put the psykers and just fuel up and crush the foes of the imperium!!

Sounds insane but hey be the ultimate weaon , blasting its foes with pure energy and shells ibued like a grey knight but on a whole different scale of awesome, shredding the armies of chaos.

Putting him on the front line would be a terrible idea. Every single Titan, Super Heavy, Orbital bombardment, heavy weapon squad and vortex grenade would be concentrated on that one spot of the battlefield. No matter how powerful he was, a dread is still just a dread, eventually all the guns in the enemy army would bring him down. I mean if you knew that the Emperor was on the surface, then "hello planet killer, Goodbye Emperor"

True, however you do have the fact utterly no impirial force will give a inch of ground if they are defending the emproror drread titan.

They believe he his a god.

+ you then get access to custodious, who make space marines seem weak, not much vs a planet killer but try getting past them in defence.

jhe90 wrote:
True, however you do have the fact utterly no impirial force will give a inch of ground if they are defending the emproror drread titan.

They believe he his a god.

+ you then get access to custodious, who make space marines seem weak, not much vs a planet killer but try getting past them in defence.

He might be their god but it doesn't matter how strong your belief is, if you don't have enough ability and equipment to win the battle you can't win it. Moving the emperor around like that would simply not be practical; he'd be far to big and far to juicy a target.


You'd end up with insane things such as:

1) Orks having a mega alliance because the Emperor would be the ultimate WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! So suddenly all those fractious orc tribes would be linking up and orcs are, when allied together, an immense fighting force.

2) The Beacon the Emperor is powering is supposed to be the light that the Tyranids are flooding toward, if that starts to move around it might well result in the Tyranids pushing even harder at the Galaxy. Not to mention the last hive fleet already made it through many worlds to the Ultramarines homeworld. Moving the Emperor away from the most heavily armoured planet would be inviting disaster.

3) Providing 1000 people for sacrifice every day isn't a small feat, and logistically if the Emperor were on the front lines suddenly you've got to supply him. You can't rely on the planet your on to provide all that he needs; so you've got to bring it in by ships and if one of those ships goes down suddenly the beacon that all the ships use to navigate gets shut down as well - BAM suddenly you've no hope unless you planned for this and bring thousands of sacrifices with you which will be non-combatants and need protection.



It could potentially be done, but its just not practical. Furthermore if the Emperor were mobile that would assume he's awake and able to think and communicate; there are a vast number of powers in the Imperium who don't want that to happen. The Emperor waking up would be a massive shake-up of the power structure and many at the top would likely lose their heads or worse. Not to mention those who pull the biggest of strings would suddenly have them taken from their grip.

Yeah but why not inter him in a dreadnought and he continue to rule from Terra in the first place? He doesn't have to be on the front lines, the Astronomicon doesn't have to move and no stagnation of tech, and whatnot. I'm going to agree with the poster who said it wasn't grimdark enough lol.

 Overread wrote:

jhe90 wrote:
True, however you do have the fact utterly no impirial force will give a inch of ground if they are defending the emproror drread titan.

They believe he his a god.

+ you then get access to custodious, who make space marines seem weak, not much vs a planet killer but try getting past them in defence.

He might be their god but it doesn't matter how strong your belief is, if you don't have enough ability and equipment to win the battle you can't win it. Moving the emperor around like that would simply not be practical; he'd be far to big and far to juicy a target.


You'd end up with insane things such as:

1) Orks having a mega alliance because the Emperor would be the ultimate WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! So suddenly all those fractious orc tribes would be linking up and orcs are, when allied together, an immense fighting force.

And then what happens when they loot the Emprah dread?

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Yeah but why not inter him in a dreadnought and he continue to rule from Terra in the first place? He doesn't have to be on the front lines, the Astronomicon doesn't have to move and no stagnation of tech, and whatnot. I'm going to agree with the poster who said it wasn't grimdark enough lol.

Because who would that benefit? He can't add his might militarily because of reasons discussed. He wouldn't be that effective as a leader either because, as evidence for the lack of dreadnought Chapter masters, the MIU interface seems to degrade mental function unless they are kept in constant states of stasis between wars. The High Lords of Terra would suddenly have someone telling them what to do after 10k years of being in charge so they would have no interest in it. From a religious point of view, what's more inspiring; the idea of an omnipresent god or a very physical man in a metal box? Also there is no guarentee that it would work and would you really want to be know as the guy who unplugged the Emperor if he died? There is a long list of reasons not to and very few benefits to doing so.

The Imperium is basically highly corrupt and unstable - the only thing really holding it together is even MORE horrible things trying to kill all of manekind. Even within that there are wars and battles between factions within the Imperium.

The Emperor returning would likely spark a huge wave of changes and whilst Marines and the common people might want to fall in behind him it could also fracture the Imperium. You'd have so many internal power struggles that the initial effect might well be internal war. That is the last thing you want if you've already got battles on nearly all fronts with other external forces.

If he were interred in a dreadnought in the first place, and not the Golden Throne, I would think that the Imperium would have half of the problems that it does now. For example, technological stagnation wouldn't happen as awfully as it has, and frankly I think that the people would be more apt to support a ruler that, even if it is every 1000 years, can speak to them and give them support.

The Golden Throne is dying and when it does the Emperor with it. At least with a dreadnought there is considerable know how as to how to work with it. But even then, in a dreadnought the emperor could have shared so much more technologically and the Golden Throne could have been improved upon or whatnot.

The current age of corruption, stagnation, and xenophobia is largely due to the Emperor's absence and I personally think that he would be horrified at what the Imperium (his space marines included) has become at the current cycle.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
No I kind of agree. Never thought about I before but if the BA can put Librarians in dreadnoughts why couldn't the Emperor have been put in one? He would have still been able to project the astronomicon and he would still be in control of the Imperium.

perhaps he is closer to death than most marines that end up in dreads.

Also without the astronomicon, the Empire of Man ceases to exist, they kind of need it.

SirSertile wrote:
Ah. I see. This was one of my main plot holes in 40K. I was so confused on this. Also, why can't we just have Space marines just drink like a drop of Calgar's blood, since they have the gain memories through eating things organ. That's another of my confusing points.
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Nope, you need to eat the Omophagae or something.

No, the Omophagea is the gland that allows a Space Marine to glean tactical data from the memories of the person they eat. The person they eat does not need to be a Space Marine, or possess this implanted organ, to impart that knowledge to the Space Marine.

The function of this gland is where you get Chapter names like Soul Drinkers, Blood Drinkers and Flesh Tearers.

Let us also not forget that, directly underneath the Golden Throne, there is the remains of the human-built Webway, which was torn open by Magnus. The Emperor devotes some portion of his energy in keeping that closed while interred in the Golden Throne.

just put the golden throne into a super duper large titan or ship...

better yet, make terra into that titan/ship.

problem solves, IOM saved due to giant death star emperor.

Your welcome

A Dreadnought is a life support system for Space Marines who are mortally wounded, the Emperor is a human, he's also a psyker so powerful that he can banish the Chaos Gods from the flesh of a Primarch, and destroy said Primarch so entirely that even clones of him are a mess. Not to mention that he wasn't just blown up, he was attacked mind, body and soul by the Gods, Horus and feth knows what. The Throne is a gateway to the Webway, some of the worst daemons ever are trying to break through, the Emperor is stopping this, and it, in return, sustains him, keeping his soul from fully leaving his body. The Throne needs the souls because of the Emperor, a Dreadnought for him would too.

I still think the orks should just be made into making something for the Emprah, like "Emprah-fixa," which is basically a kit that heals the Emprah back up. As long the orks believe it works, it will!

Combined power of few billion orks in a healing waaaaargh.

Still more sane idea than the narituves universe.....

 Psienesis wrote:
No, the Omophagea is the gland that allows a Space Marine to glean tactical data from the memories of the person they eat. The person they eat does not need to be a Space Marine, or possess this implanted organ, to impart that knowledge to the Space Marine.

The function of this gland is where you get Chapter names like Soul Drinkers, Blood Drinkers and Flesh Tearers.

Let us also not forget that, directly underneath the Golden Throne, there is the remains of the human-built Webway, which was torn open by Magnus. The Emperor devotes some portion of his energy in keeping that closed while interred in the Golden Throne.

I thought the Blood Drinkers and Flesh Tearers got it from the Black Rage?
You need to eat the brain IIRC too.

I think the brain is just what most Chapters eat, but apparently it can be any bit of flesh or blood. Of all the special organs the SM have, this one is the wonkiest.

I had a look at Lexicanum and apparently it's any genetic material but flaws can lead to cravings for blood, flesh and such things.

Perhaps Emps is still alive and everyone is just keeping it hush hush whilst he builds a pistol that can kill all 4 chaos gods in one shot, the "corpse" on the chair is actually one of the missing primarchs killed for precisely this reason. The Emps is just waiting for Failbaddon to reach Terra so he can jump out shout surprise and delete chaos with one pull of a trigger.

Although a looted Emperor Golden Chair of Death Dreadnaught might not be a bad idea.

Abaddon isn't housing all four of the Ruinous Powers like Horus was, though, so capping Abaddon doesn't really get those kinds of results.

BaconSarnie wrote:
Perhaps Emps is still alive and everyone is just keeping it hush hush whilst he builds a pistol that can kill all 4 chaos gods in one shot, the "corpse" on the chair is actually one of the missing primarchs killed for precisely this reason. The Emps is just waiting for Failbaddon to reach Terra so he can jump out shout surprise and delete chaos with one pull of a trigger.

Although a looted Emperor Golden Chair of Death Dreadnaught might not be a bad idea.

It's an Alpha Legionnaire and he's not dead.