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Hello, I'm going to a reasonably friendly tournament in a couple of weeks (pre 7th, and pre new orks) and I'm hoping you guys might be able to give me a couple of tips or advice on my list. The extra models I have if you recommend any changes are more lootas, more nobs, more boys, another trukk, tankbustas and deffcoptas.
Cheers

1850 Pts – Orks

HQ:
Warboss (Warlord) = 115 pts
Shoota, Power klaw, Attack squig, Cybork body, ‘Eavy armour
Big Mek = 85 pts
Kustom force field

Elites:
8x Lootas = 120 pts
8x Lootas = 120 pts

Troops:
10x Nobz = 460 pts
1x Power klaw, 2x Big choppas, 1x Bosspole, 1x Waaagh! Banner, Painboy, 10x Cybork bodies, Battlewagon, deff rolla, red paint job, grot riggers, big shoota
30x Ork Boyz = 225 pts
Shootas, Nob, Power klaw, ‘Eavy armour, Bosspole
12x Ork Boyz = 157 pts
Nob, Power klaw, ‘Eavy armour, Bosspole, Trukk, red paint job
12x Ork Boyz = 157 pts
Nob, Power klaw, ‘Eavy armour, Bosspole, Trukk, red paint job
10x Gretchin = 40 pts
Runtherd

Heavy Support:
3x Killa Kanz = 135 pts
3x Grotzookas
3x Big Gunz = 69 pts
3x Kannons, 3x ammo runts
3x Big Gunz = 66 pts
3x Kannons, 2x ammo runts

Fortifications:
Aegis Defence Lines = 100 pts
Gun emplacement with quad-gun

Total = 1849 pts

Well, as a matter of fluff, I would replace the aegis with a dakkajet. More fun and more effective considering that the aegis still shoots with BS2. I would then replace the grotzookas with kustom mega blasters. At BS3, you can get some pretty solid anti-tank/anti-termie firepower out of those badboys. Maybe you could keep 1 grotzooka, but I think you are covered in terms of anti-infantry. I don't know, it's a matter of personal preference. I would also put rams on those trukks, helps out with DT, and maybe another runt on that kannon. If you need the extra points, you could lose a nob. Trust me, those babies are tough, and the more eggs you throw in one basket the more they are going to want to gun down that basket as soon as possible. But other than that I think that it's a good list. Have fun and happy waaaghing!

Nice list. Nobs are a waste but that's a friendly tournament, right? I'd leave grotzookas as they are - you don't have much blasts anywayz. Sometimes they're really awesome.

I'd recommend giving footsloga boyz bigshootas. They're really good. I prefer having one bigshoota on a nob - he has somewhat better protection and allows precision shots. I've had a few games won thanks to those lucky precision shots from bigshoota nobz.

 koooaei wrote:
Nice list. Nobs are a waste but that's a friendly tournament, right? I'd leave grotzookas as they are - you don't have much blasts anywayz. Sometimes they're really awesome.

I'd recommend giving footsloga boyz bigshootas. They're really good.

why are nobz a waste? MANz a waste too? is it just too many points?


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but to add to the list, I'd drop the kanz Walkers without a ds (drop pods) method suck. and i would put in a dakka jet.

keep the adl for your mini gun line, it's good to go.

Nobz are a waste cause they're so very expensive and don't pose no threat out of mellee. And they fall into "somewhere between good and mediocre" mellee capability. They're either an overkill or can't do much vs elitist mellee beatsticks. I find that regular boyz do better cause you can have more of them.

Your single wagon with a single squad costs how much?.. And the moment your wagon gets shot down, they're doing nothing for a couple of turns. While you can afford it with 175 pts of boyz, neutralizing 460 pts of nobz for a couple of turns is a much worse thing.

Even though nobz are not really good and are quite overpriced, i've found a way to use them effectively.

Megaboss - cybork
3-4 nobz - 1 pk, 1 bp
1 painboy - grot orderly.

They cost much less, are a nice retinue to megaboss and have a 2+, fnp guy in front if the wagon gets destroyed.

sorry I'm kinda high jacking this thread, but would.a small squad like the above be better in a trukk to get them up field quicker?

I lean towards a battlewagon over a truck. The difference in speed is 6 inches. Truck is a guaranteed kaboom and first blood. A wagon is fearsome if used from a right angle. Nobz + boss are too expensive for a truck. Leave it to min meganobz or boyz.

Actually, u're not choosing a truck for speed - wagon's 18' speed is usually enough for a turn 2 charge. U choose truck for it's 35-40 pts cost down from 100+ of a wagon. Or simply if you don't have models.

Another way to do it is to run 3 battlewagons side by side so that the middle one never leaves its AC12 flanks exposed. Then again, I actually have a list where I run a big squad of 10 in a trukk but I keep them behind a squigoth to keep them out of LOS. Playing my cards right I can usually land that baby on the enemy on turn 2, or 3 at least. I do love nobz though. They can do some serious damage when they get there and they just feel orky to me. I love having a squad of big dudes with a warboss that I know I can send after any target, whether it be a mound of hormugaunts or a wraithknight.

That being said, let's also remember that this is a friendly tournament...

He should do fine with the list with a few minor adjustments, but taking away nobz for boyz would diminish the fun of the list. One thing he could do to help those nobz would be to footslog them with the gretchin, kans and boy mob, then find a way to get one more trukk squad. You could make up money by dopping nobz, maybe take 3 away including one power claw. Then you would still have speedy elements but wouldn't risk your transport blowing up.

I'd honestly chuck the Nobz in favor of more Lootas, personally. The only way I run Nobz now is on Warbikes and in low numbers outside of any APOC game.