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For my necron army I am thinking of getting the following:

Anraykr the Traveller just so I can annoy my friend by taking over his epic Titan.
Destroyer lord with sempiternal weave and mindshackle scarabs - plan is to run this with wraith squad.
6 wraiths with 3 whip coils
Triarch stalker with particle shredder - to destroy swarms of enemies
3 spyders - because cheap and produce scarabs
3 scarab swarms - because lots of attacks and kill tanks
2 doom scythes - because destroy flyers and death ray would destroy terminators
Cryptek with veil has flamer thingy too - to keep the 20 warriors safe
20 warriors - to go with cryptek, to kill by shooting
4 crypteks with voltaic staff - to go round with squads of troops in night scythes and destroy vehicles
4 night scythes - to keep tank hunting squads mobile
2 squads of 5 immortals - to go with cryptek and hunt tanks
2 squads of 5 warriors - to go with crypteks
2 squads of 10 warriors - to shoot

This is a mobile 2,600 point army, what do you think? Any ideas for improvement?



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Any ideas on how to improve? I think it looks good but I'm not sure if mobility of troops with crypteks is overkill for their job

Mind in the machine being used against a titan is ridiculous. It should be banned.

Yeah I know it's overpowered, but until a rule or FAQ says I cant do it then I'm using it to stop him using a Titan, as a titan obliterates everything in a turn

Well, its a nice fund of Necron models/units.

In the new edition, rules for skimmers and flyers will change slightly. Wraiths might get better. I'd wait and see.

A good tournament army is DLord, Wraiths, troops in Night Scythes, and Annihilation Barges. This shouldn't really change.

Yeah, I was wondering about getting some annihilation barges, I will probably get some of them as well, it's just in points night scythes are only a bit more expensive, have same weapons but aren't open topped, are flying and can transport troops

Veggieburgess wrote:
Yeah, I was wondering about getting some annihilation barges, I will probably get some of them as well, it's just in points night scythes are only a bit more expensive, have same weapons but aren't open topped, are flying and can transport troops

Well, I'd max out AB's if played with a single FOC.

Moreover, Wraiths are great and will be in the new edition. If you run Wraiths, take 2 or 3 units (12-15 Wraiths).

Maybe, but they are quite expensive in points and I didn't go from tyrannids to necrons to have another close combat army, I will start with 6 but maybe get more later.

By the way, in terms of difference between night cut he and annihilation barges, what happens when you shoot open topped vehicles?

Lol if you want to counter a Titan.....ally with space wolves and take Lukas the trickster. Kills anything in base contact with him when he dies. 150 points for 600+ points...worth


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Lol if you want to counter a Titan.....ally with space wolves and take Lukas the trickster. Kills anything in base contact with him when he dies. 150 points for 600+ points...worth

My army isn't about countering titans, that's just a little extra,
What do you think about the rest and keeping it mobile?

Your list is very balanced. Most necron players I have played just spam warrior squads. But maybe you should reduce the scarabs and spyders to 2 units each and thicken out your army with more warriors? I dunno just a suggestion.

The scarabs are the least amount I can have except none, 3 is minimum squad, maybe spyders, I wasn't sure about them I just thought I would get them because cheap points but they will be last thing I get anyway,

Maybe extra warriors would be good, I will see if I can fit extra in.

Monolith is a really good necron choice. I think if you get 3 you can do a really strong attack. But I think that is a apoc formation.

Monoliths are very expensive in £'s though, and they aren't much tougher than other vehicles, with not that amazing weapons, I might get 1 of them though

Veggieburgess wrote:
Monoliths are very expensive in £'s though, and they aren't much tougher than other vehicles, with not that amazing weapons, I might get 1 of them though

Well, I'd stay away from them in the first place. They lost an edge in the 6th edition.

I'd opt for 3 Annihilation Barges in a single FOC army list.

I agree monoliths aren't that good, they do draw fire though, I don't know about 3 annihilation barges, doom scythes are better.

I would go with Annihilation barges, as ad-hoc air defence, absurd cheapness with surprising toughness really makes them worth it.

 Inky wrote:
I would go with Annihilation barges, as ad-hoc air defence, absurd cheapness with surprising toughness really makes them worth it.

I suppose but doom scythes have same weapon plus a str 10 low AP automatic hit which is better at taking down air.
Also night scythes fufill same roll but take up no choices.

Veggieburgess wrote:

 Inky wrote:
I would go with Annihilation barges, as ad-hoc air defence, absurd cheapness with surprising toughness really makes them worth it.

I suppose but doom scythes have same weapon plus a str 10 low AP automatic hit which is better at taking down air.
Also night scythes fufill same roll but take up no choices.

Death ray can't target air. So Doom scythes to act as anti-air have to not shoot their big gun.

Annihilation barges are amazing.

It's a good list of models, and as you say you'll be quite mobile, with all the scythes flying around. You also have the ability, through wraiths and spyders, to deter assaults on your blob (which I assume is where you are planning to put Anrakyr, because MitM doesn't work in a vehicle).

Couple of suggestions :

- you need more than 3 scarab bases. With three spyders, you can spawn three bases per turn. Scarabs are incredibly versatile, particularly paired with Spyders.

- Anrakyr is iffy. MitM is really the only reason to take him and I understand why you want him for the Titan. However, remember that you can glance anything to death anyway as your basic warrior will glance on a roll of a 6.

- don't try and veil your blob. The footprint is huge and it is unnecessary. It is really quite hard to put down a 20 man blob. You should seriously consider the GA to support the blob, and will definitely require an orb because that makes the blob harder to kill.

- veiling a 10 man squad of immortals with tesla is good fun though.

- Doom scythes are meh. Sometimes amazing, but often underwhelming.

- Anni Barges are amazing all the time. I understand where you are coming from, but you are forgetting that AB are AV13 (quantum shielding) compared to 11 for the NS. Tactically they are far superior because you can shoot them in any direction and move them anywhere (you can't hover a NS). AB also have an additional gun, plus they cost less.

- The stalker is a cool model. Using it is very situational. You really have to build a list with a lot of shooting to take advantage of the TL effect. Your list won't because destructors are twin linked anyway and most of the troops will be in the air. If you want to take advantage of the TL, I think you need 2, and you should take the cannons (for the extra range). If you are only taking 1, take something else (2x6 scarabs for example).

- you seem very keen on tank busting.....in which case you need more scarabs. Point for point, scarabs are the most efficient tank busting unit we have. Warscythes, spyders and haywire are also good. If your opponent is silly and creates a car park, your Doom scythe comes in where you want it, and you manage to roll high enough, DS can also be effective.

- I have nothing against NS, other than we have no way of controlling reserves - so sometimes you don't get them when you need them. Your game plan needs to allow for that.

hth

unfassbarnathan wrote:

Veggieburgess wrote:

 Inky wrote:
I would go with Annihilation barges, as ad-hoc air defence, absurd cheapness with surprising toughness really makes them worth it.

I suppose but doom scythes have same weapon plus a str 10 low AP automatic hit which is better at taking down air.
Also night scythes fufill same roll but take up no choices.

Death ray can't target air. So Doom scythes to act as anti-air have to not shoot their big gun.

Annihilation barges are amazing.

People keep saying it can't target air but where does the codex say that?


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MarkCron wrote:
It's a good list of models, and as you say you'll be quite mobile, with all the scythes flying around. You also have the ability, through wraiths and spyders, to deter assaults on your blob (which I assume is where you are planning to put Anrakyr, because MitM doesn't work in a vehicle).

Couple of suggestions :

- you need more than 3 scarab bases. With three spyders, you can spawn three bases per turn. Scarabs are incredibly versatile, particularly paired with Spyders.

- Anrakyr is iffy. MitM is really the only reason to take him and I understand why you want him for the Titan. However, remember that you can glance anything to death anyway as your basic warrior will glance on a roll of a 6.

- don't try and veil your blob. The footprint is huge and it is unnecessary. It is really quite hard to put down a 20 man blob. You should seriously consider the GA to support the blob, and will definitely require an orb because that makes the blob harder to kill.

- veiling a 10 man squad of immortals with tesla is good fun though.

- Doom scythes are meh. Sometimes amazing, but often underwhelming.

- Anni Barges are amazing all the time. I understand where you are coming from, but you are forgetting that AB are AV13 (quantum shielding) compared to 11 for the NS. Tactically they are far superior because you can shoot them in any direction and move them anywhere (you can't hover a NS). AB also have an additional gun, plus they cost less.

- The stalker is a cool model. Using it is very situational. You really have to build a list with a lot of shooting to take advantage of the TL effect. Your list won't because destructors are twin linked anyway and most of the troops will be in the air. If you want to take advantage of the TL, I think you need 2, and you should take the cannons (for the extra range). If you are only taking 1, take something else (2x6 scarabs for example).

- you seem very keen on tank busting.....in which case you need more scarabs. Point for point, scarabs are the most efficient tank busting unit we have. Warscythes, spyders and haywire are also good. If your opponent is silly and creates a car park, your Doom scythe comes in where you want it, and you manage to roll high enough, DS can also be effective.

- I have nothing against NS, other than we have no way of controlling reserves - so sometimes you don't get them when you need them. Your game plan needs to allow for that.

hth

My enemy has lots of deep striking daemons and daemon princes, i have worked out the math and a squad of 20 can just about wipe out a daemon prince/ daemon squad in a turn of shooting and overwatching but if he deepstrikes 2 he gets into combat and kills them.
I know what you are saying about scarabs being efficient at killing tanks but its unlikely i will go against many and they will be destroyed by blast weapons, my current tanks busters have a lot of shots so can also be used to destroy troops, dropping of behind a squad approaching my blob and helping them blast it to hell.

The idea of annihilation barges have grown on me but i will at least have one doom scythe because str10 AP1 average 10" will destory some terminaters or squad of armour saves.

Also wondering, can i have more than one cryptek in a squad?

Could get another 3 scarabs as they are only 45pts

I know triarch stalkers arent best thing for my army but large blast at daemon swarms could do a lot of damadge and help my squad of 20 kill the remains.


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Although you might be right about the veil thing on 20 man squad, normally they either get in (and i die) or they dont and i shoot the hell out of them but if they deep strike next to me, they cant assualt me that turn and i could teleport away, also the flamer the veil guy has could help me kill them off when they charge me.

Well, you've thought about your list and what your plan is, which is great.

To answer your questions:

The reason why the DS can't use it's deathray to target air is that it is a beam, similar to Jaws of the World Wolf. So, you only get to kill models under the beam (note that it is not all the models in units that the models were attached to, just models under the beam).

You can attach a cryptek to a squad for each overlord you have. So, two overlords mean you can attach two crypteks. Note that Obyron, Destroyer Lords and Szeras are not allowed to take Royal Courts.

Without getting into a huge mathhammer debate, in my experience it is rare for blob to take out a demon prince, and it is almost definitely not going to happen if it has wings (unless grounding tests work in your favour).

Not to say that your plan isn't workable, just be careful with your assumptions. One thing you may want to consider is that some overlords can take a phaeron upgrade. This effectively gives you relentless. So a scenario here is someone DS next to you, you let them have it a rapid fire range, then assault to get the +1 attack. 40 attacks should do some damage!

cheers

MarkCron wrote:
Well, you've thought about your list and what your plan is, which is great.

To answer your questions:

The reason why the DS can't use it's deathray to target air is that it is a beam, similar to Jaws of the World Wolf. So, you only get to kill models under the beam (note that it is not all the models in units that the models were attached to, just models under the beam).

You can attach a cryptek to a squad for each overlord you have. So, two overlords mean you can attach two crypteks. Note that Obyron, Destroyer Lords and Szeras are not allowed to take Royal Courts.

Without getting into a huge mathhammer debate, in my experience it is rare for blob to take out a demon prince, and it is almost definitely not going to happen if it has wings (unless grounding tests work in your favour).

Not to say that your plan isn't workable, just be careful with your assumptions. One thing you may want to consider is that some overlords can take a phaeron upgrade. This effectively gives you relentless. So a scenario here is someone DS next to you, you let them have it a rapid fire range, then assault to get the +1 attack. 40 attacks should do some damage!

cheers

I was referring to daemon princes without wings, with wings i have less chance but hopefully some annihilation barges/ night scythes will help with that.
Also it wouldn't be 40 attacks as they would most likely go first and kill some of me first, and i think i would prefer to have 40 shots and low AP flamer template at overwatch than another close combat attack.

Also if you hit a flying mostorous creature, it is quite likely to fall down and take a wound.


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Although i might consider adding a vanguard obyron so i can teleport my 20 squad out of combat when in it as well as dealing some pain for them in combat


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I am planning on having anakyr the traveller with a tank hunting squad so i can use tank (or titan) meaning it cant shoot me, then try and destroy or injure it.

Only commenting on Arankyr here.

MitM is a one-trick pony against any given opponent. After you do it once, they will not position their LoW so that its possible to fire on their own troops.

So as a surprise tactic, its awesome....in the long term, if people start seeing this trick coming, Arankyr drops in value and becomes the meh HQ he was before Escalation.

Also, for what its worth, be prepared for some hurt feelings and some rules arguments if you execute this. People do NOT like paying mad points for a LoW just to have it fire its payload on its own army, then typically get glanced to death by Gauss and Haywire, all usually in 1 single turn.


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Chaos=Havoc wrote:
Mind in the machine being used against a titan is ridiculous. It should be banned.

Nah...its way scarier on paper than in practice. Usually people dont position their LoW so that its guns are facing its own army...or at least much of its own army, and you can't pivot the LoW through MitM.

Titan is long enough range and strD weapons mean it can destroy any of their stuff on the board.
Once my enemy starts adapting to this tactic I will just use him as vanguard obyron or something


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Following your feedback, what do you make of new list

Anraykr the traveller (takes over tanks) - 165pts
Vanguard Obyron (with wraiths, keep them mobile, move them to useful combats) -160 pts
Destroyer lord (with wraiths like obyron, has mindshackle scarabs and 2+ save) -160 pts
3 crypteks (flamers) - 90pts
Cryotek(tank killer) - 25pts
Cryptek(terrain and assault) - 35 pts
Triarch Stalker (large blast, target relay) - 155 pts
2 Wraiths*6 (3 whip coils a squad) - 470 pts
2 Doom Scythes - 350 pts
4 annihilation barges - 360 pts

Immortals*10 (tank killer squad) - 170 pts
Warriors*20 - 260 pts
2 Warriors*10 - 260 pts
Night Scythe - 115 pts

This is 2,265 points

Is it better or worse than my old list?


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I don't think I like this list as much though, I prefer to pop up somewhere and then appear somewhere else

I think you answered your own question - if you don't like the list, don't buy it/play it.

Okay