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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:37:01
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/28/kerry-snowden-nsa.html
Secretary of State John Kerry has blasted former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a “confused” man who “betrayed his country,” rebutting the whistleblower’s claim that his exile in Russia is the fault of the U.S. government.
Kerry's comments came ahead of the scheduled airing on Wednesday evening of Snowden’s first sit-down interview with a U.S. network. In excerpts released by NBC, Snowden — who fled the United States after leaking classified documents detailing massive surveillance by the U.S. government — said he “never intended to end up in Russia.”
“I had a flight booked to Cuba onwards to Latin America, and I was stopped because the United States government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow airport. So when people ask, ‘Why are you in Russia?’ I say, ‘Please ask the State Department,’” Snowden said.
Kerry reacted bluntly to the accusation. “For a supposedly smart guy, that’s a pretty dumb answer,” he told NBC. Snowden has previously said he acted out of “good conscience” to protect privacy and basic liberties.
“If he cares so much about America and he believes in America, he should trust in the American system of justice,” Kerry said. “But to be hiding in Russia, an authoritarian country, and to have just admitted that he was really trying to get to Cuba — I mean, what does that tell you? I think he’s confused, I think it’s very sad, but this is a man who has done great damage to his country.”
Snowden also claimed in the interview that he was trained as a spy and has worked undercover and overseas for both the National Security Agency (NSA) and the CIA, comments that Kerry would not address Wednesday morning.
“I was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word, in that I lived and worked undercover overseas pretending to work in a job that I’m not and even being assigned a name that was not mine,” Snowden said. “When they say I’m a low-level systems administrator, that I don’t know what I’m talking about, I’d say it’s somewhat misleading.”
While working as a computer network administrator, Snowden removed tens of thousands of secret documents from an NSA facility in Hawaii and then leaked them to the media. The aftermath of those leaks shook the American intelligence establishment and resulted in Snowden being charged with espionage and other offenses in the U.S. He could face 30 years in prison if convicted.
Kerry, meanwhile, told CBS on Wednesday that Snowden’s actions had harmed national security and that through his actions he had “told terrorists what they can now do to be able to avoid detection.”
“He should man up and come back to the United States if he has a complaint about what’s the matter with American surveillance, come back here and stand in our system of justice and make his case,” Kerry said. “But instead he is just sitting [in Russia] taking potshots at his country.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:39:03
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
“If he cares so much about America and he believes in America, he should trust in the American system of justice,”
I wouldn't.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:39:13
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kerry is a idiot at times
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:39:18
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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he should trust in the American system of justice
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:39:36
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Kerry can shut his dopey mouth. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Well that certainly deserves an exalt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:40:11
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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From the government thought brought y... Leaked you PRISM, just trust us
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"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:44:42
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Using the term "Man Up" in this context... what a spank.
Snowden should take a selfie with Putin and send it to Kerry with the words "U MAD BRO?" written across it. Up the childishness factor by a million.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:47:42
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Snowden can really spark a outrage from Kerry by wearing the medals that Kerry threw away
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:49:09
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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You should be selective in who you respond to. It can elevate them up, and lower you down.
A better response would be "because he's a traitor and we still hang traitors here."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:50:59
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Surely he's a hero of the people?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:52:25
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Paper Hero in his own mind
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:56:36
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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For all the fears of people getting killed as a result of his leaks, has that happened?
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"So, do please come along when we're promoting something new and need photos for the facebook page or to send to our regional manager, do please engage in our gaming when we're pushing something specific hard and need to get the little kiddies drifting past to want to come in an see what all the fuss is about. But otherwise, stay the feth out, you smelly, antisocial bastards, because we're scared you are going to say something that goes against our mantra of absolute devotion to the corporate motherland and we actually perceive any of you who've been gaming more than a year to be a hostile entity as you've been exposed to the internet and 'dangerous ideas'. " - MeanGreenStompa
"Then someone mentions Infinity and everyone ignores it because no one really plays it." - nkelsch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 18:57:08
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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That's classified son.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 19:00:55
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Thinking Manning I believe
Snowden release PRISM and something about US Government is in contact with Aliens. Snowden did not have access with military operations and what not I think.
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 19:01:41
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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My guess is that they probably put more lives at risk when they accidentally outed the Intel guy.
The only things Snowden has hurt were facades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 19:03:44
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Fixture of Dakka
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I think he did the right thing. Whether or not the systems he exposed were being abused (and they probably were), this kind of mass surveillance teeters on the edge of plain wrong. A corrective was/is needed.
You would have thought he'd have researched his escape plan a bit better though. Cuba via Hong Kong and Russia? Was he trying to accumulate enough air miles to live off?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 19:03:46
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Public opinions against the government to
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Proud Member of the Infidels of OIF/OEF
No longer defending the US Military or US Gov't. Just going to ""**feed into your fears**"" with Duffel Blog
Did not fight my way up on top the food chain to become a Vegan...
Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
DE 6700
Harlequin 2500
RIP Muhammad Ali.
Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 19:05:12
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm sorry to say that I once would have voted for Kerry.
How can anyone trust a "justice" system that holds people for years without trial, endorses torture, spies on citizens without warrants, classifies all men 18+ in conflict zones as terrorists, and assassinated an American citizen?
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"Bringer of death, speak your name, For you are my life, and the foe's death." - Litany of the Lasgun
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 19:12:01
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Government in contact with Aliens? I thought he never released the Alien stuff because, sadly, it was all bs?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:13:22
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah... that coming from the guy who said on camera, that you work hard and go to college, get a degree and a good job...OR you join the military.
Seriously, Kerry needs to be given a speaking profile (my US military brethren will get it)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:17:43
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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The US doesn't have a justice system. We have a legal system.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:18:11
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Fixture of Dakka
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Kerry, part of the same administration that will leak absolutely anything that aids them politically while claiming anyone else leaking things is a godless terrorist traitor. RIIIIIIIGHT
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:30:23
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Morphing Obliterator
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This guy makes Michael Gove look like a genius. "Man up and face American justice! You have nothing to fear, citizen subject terrorist!"
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See, you're trying to use people logic. DM uses Mandelogic, which we've established has 2+2=quack. - Aerethan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:32:15
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Battlefield Tourist
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Tell that to Bradley Manning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:34:41
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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It's not Bradley any more is it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:37:26
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Difference is, Manning is a fething traitor, and worthless scum in my eyes... I'm sorry, you simply just do NOT do what he/she/it did to the people who wear the same uniform as you do.
I don't know what kind of "oaths" or whatever Snowden had to say as part of being a civilian contractor, but Manning had a whole lot more riding on him than Snowden.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:41:41
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Fixture of Dakka
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If masculinity can only be achieved by serving 35 years in prison, I completely understand wanting a sex change.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 21:57:53
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I initially thought that Snowden was a traitor, but now that the full scope of the NSA's activities have come to light, I'm no longer so sure about that.
I mean, you expect your government to indulge in some excesses, but this seems to have gone a bit beyond that. When people claim that there is media bias protecting Obama vs Bush, I generally think thats a load of crap but I can't really find another explanation for why the President is not being crucified in the media as he should be over this.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 22:03:10
Subject: Re:Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Ouze wrote:I initially thought that Snowden was a traitor, but now that the full scope of the NSA's activities have come to light, I'm no longer so sure about that.
I felt the same way initially.
But the more I read about the programs he disclosed, the more I think his actions were truly to the benefit of the American people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/28 22:15:33
Subject: Kerry Says Snowden Should "Man Up" and Return to US
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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i think Snowden will see John Kerry's challenge as an IQ test, which he will pass.
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