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Does anyone expect any changes to tyranid psyches? Seems like we are currently left out during the psyches phase and have very limited abilitys compared to the other armies. Is the any hope of seeing either an expanded psycher ability list or access to more disciplines?

The only things that have improved for Tyranids, is that if your flying hive tyrant gets warp blast he can use it in addition to the 2 weapons he can fire already and at a different target.

With the new force org chart, it's easier to have zoanthropes floating around to generate warp charges.

Tyranids still get the shaft. They might've benefited from the psychic phase if their powers weren't so lackluster besides catalyst.

Yeah, I don't really care for most of the powers, and hate that I almost never get the few that I actually want. But don't expect more disciplines to open up. They took them away from Tyranids for a reason.

I wouldn't mind not having access to all the psyker powers if Shadows in the Warp had a more significant impact on the psyhic phase, like penalties to warp charges or something.

krodarklorr wrote:
Yeah, I don't really care for most of the powers, and hate that I almost never get the few that I actually want. But don't expect more disciplines to open up. They took them away from Tyranids for a reason.

... Because they made them semi competitive?

Because it really doesnt fit fluff. All Psychic powers are studied by psykers, they are lore that come from decades of work and study and dedication.
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because it really doesnt fit fluff. All Psychic powers are studied by psykers, they are lore that come from decades of work and study and dedication.
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

Tyranids: The only race shackled to their fluff while the rest of the background gets a communal piss taken on it.

 Eldarain wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because it really doesnt fit fluff. All Psychic powers are studied by psykers, they are lore that come from decades of work and study and dedication.
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

Tyranids: The only race shackled to their fluff while the rest of the background gets a communal piss taken on it.

Yeah, being shackled to their fluff.

Could be worse, you could be CSM and unshackled to your fluff. Sure you'll be sliiiightly competitive as an allied race, but you'll end up nothing like how the race should be played.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

And yet Deny the Witch works against their powers. This is meant to be a defence against warp based powers.

Tyranids use the warp, as the Hive Mind is in the warp. The fact that the Hive Mind itself smothers all other warp activity (the shadow in the warp), and the fact that Tigerius using his entirely warp based psychic abilities can briefly read the Hive Mind confirms this. The line about Tyranids not ussing the warp 'in any fathomable way' is the same 'Imperium doesn't understand gak' line as 'Ork guns are powered by magic'.

The Imperium is dumb, and codices are written from the point of view of the Imperium. So of course some stuff just isn't understood.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because it really doesnt fit fluff. All Psychic powers are studied by psykers, they are lore that come from decades of work and study and dedication.
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

Which is a warp entity...

But let's go along with that, sure, Tyranids don't draw their powers from the warp, so it isn't fluffy for them to have other psychic disciplines.
Just like it them suffering Perils of the Warp isn't fluffy.
- And enemies being capable of Denying the Witch againat them.
- And Genestealers, Raveners, etc. being incapable of charging through difficult terrain without an initiative penalty.
- And Hormagaunts eating each other outside of Synapse.
- And Termagants running away from cover outside of Synapse.
- And the Swarmlord not having Eternal Warrior
- And a Trygon having to spend the entire game swinging away at a Land Raider to actually wreck it
- And the Codex being generally bult to favour shooting and reduce the effectiveness of assault
- And Heavy Venom Cannons and Rupture Cannons being laughably ineffective against Vehicles

Need I go on?

 PrinceRaven wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because it really doesnt fit fluff. All Psychic powers are studied by psykers, they are lore that come from decades of work and study and dedication.
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

Which is a warp entity...

But let's go along with that, sure, Tyranids don't draw their powers from the warp, so it isn't fluffy for them to have other psychic disciplines.
Just like it them suffering Perils of the Warp isn't fluffy.
- And enemies being capable of Denying the Witch againat them.
- And Genestealers, Raveners, etc. being incapable of charging through difficult terrain without an initiative penalty.
- And Hormagaunts eating each other outside of Synapse.
- And Termagants running away from cover outside of Synapse.
- And the Swarmlord not having Eternal Warrior
- And a Trygon having to spend the entire game swinging away at a Land Raider to actually wreck it
- And the Codex being generally bult to favour shooting and reduce the effectiveness of assault
- And Heavy Venom Cannons and Rupture Cannons being laughably ineffective against Vehicles

Need I go on?

1000x This!


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Because it really doesnt fit fluff. All Psychic powers are studied by psykers, they are lore that come from decades of work and study and dedication.
Tyranid psykers are not powered by the warp, they are powered by the hivemind.

And, The Hive Mind still has great Warp Influence, and is also able to adapt to its enemy, which could, in fact, include learning other pyschic powers from viewing their opponent use them.


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 -Loki- wrote:

krodarklorr wrote:
Yeah, I don't really care for most of the powers, and hate that I almost never get the few that I actually want. But don't expect more disciplines to open up. They took them away from Tyranids for a reason.

... Because they made them semi competitive?

Well duh. A Swarmlord with Iron Arm? Thats obnoxious.

krodarklorr wrote:
Well duh. A Swarmlord with Iron Arm? Thats obnoxious.

Sure it is. It's nothing on the level of deathstars running around now though. It made Tyranids semi competitive, pretty solidly mid tier. it didn't make them top tier or suddenly make them start topping tournament leaderboards.

krodarklorr wrote:



Well duh. A Swarmlord with Iron Arm? Thats obnoxious.

You mean in the same game with an Iron Armed, Balesword carrying, Warp speeded and enduranced Great Unclean one right? Possibly with the grimoire and invisibility on him to boot because screw you?

One the one with invisible Be'lakor with the grimoire slapped on him?

Or the invincible seer star still being perfectly doable?

Or invisible draigowing?

Or invisible revenant titans throwing around D-weapon blasts?

Or Daemon factory doubling your model count contantly?

Or the AM being able to shoot you off the board with buffed tanks flying out the ass?

Or the grey knights lobbing D-strength blasts that roam across the board nomming whole units?

Biomancy Swarmlord doesn't even remotely compare to the deathstars flying around right now and GW lacks the intelligence to make any intentional balance decisions.

I'm pretty sure kordarklorr was being sarcastic...

 PrinceRaven wrote:
I'm pretty sure kordarklorr was being sarcastic...

Is he?

Hard to tell without the requisite /tag #tag or smiley.

I'm starting to doubt whether they're being sarcastic or not myself, it's hard to tell on the Internet.

Shoot, even "back in the day" I prefered Telepathy to Biomancy. Heck darn! If I could run Telepathic Zoeys, I think I could give any foe a hard fight.

pinecone77 wrote:
Shoot, even "back in the day" I prefered Telepathy to Biomancy. Heck darn! If I could run Telepathic Zoeys, I think I could give any foe a hard fight.

I'm honestly in favor of giving the Tyranids multiple tables since they're a very strongly psychic army like the Eldar and Chaos who both get multiple powers (functionally three for each, with runes of battle more or less counting for two).

If we can't have BRB powers, three Tyranid specific disciplines would be a fair compromise.