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I was talking to one of the owners at my FLGS about Dark Vengence (namely because I was looking for one for a painting project I'm working on and he didn't have any in stock) and from what his distributor has told him Dark Vengeance is not getting a new rulebook, just a sticker saying the rules aren't current. It's also been pulled off the mandatory stockist list. GW is looking just to draw down how many sets they have right now before an eventual new Starter set comes out. So when it's gone, it's gone.

Making the owner of your FLGS, his distributor, or White Dwarf a liar then.

Only question is which?

 azreal13 wrote:
Making the owner of your FLGS, his distributor, or White Dwarf a liar then.

Only question is which?

Considering how often the WD makes mistakes, I'd like to guess it's them because the Distributor works for GW and knows what is or is not available or getting changed (inventory systems and all that) and my FLGS owner has no reason to make things up or yank my chain. Plus I know him well enough to know when he's yanking someone's chain.

EDIT: You know, I actually don't recall seeing anything in the WD saying DV was getting new rules off hand. Anyone care to point me at where it says that?

From issue 16:

“DARK VENGEANCE

The Dark Vengeance box set currently contains a copy of the rules from the last edition of Warhammer 40,000 – rest assured that in the near future this will be updated to contain the new edition of The Rules. Stay tuned to White Dwarf for news on this exciting development.”

Excerpt From: Dwarf, White. “White Dwarf Issue 16: 17 May 2014.” iBooks.

 azreal13 wrote:
Making the owner of your FLGS, his distributor, or White Dwarf a liar then.

Only question is which?

All three, GW is cutting production on DV but will continue to sell the kit until stock dwindles to minimalism levels. Only then will the new starter kit be released.

 azreal13 wrote:
Making the owner of your FLGS, his distributor, or White Dwarf a liar then.

Only question is which?

They are only getting the sticker. Came from a high up who has been in recent GW news on here (remaining nameless for his security). But it is fact they're only getting the sticker.

Edit for misreading.

 Kwosge wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Making the owner of your FLGS, his distributor, or White Dwarf a liar then.

Only question is which?

All three, GW is cutting production on DV but will continue to sell the kit until stock dwindles to minimalism levels. Only then will the new starter kit be released.

It can't be all three then because what I've heard from my FLGS and what he's saying his distributor said coincides with what you're saying right there. So that would mean 2/3 are telling the truth.

EDIT: Look, if I'm wrong in the end, that's fine but I'd rather put out some bad news and it not go down that way than not put it out and everyone get caught with their pants down when it does go that way.

Gunning for that second true in pretre's thread?

It seemed this was decided when that entry in White Dwarf was published. I definitely expected them to either move away from including the mini-rulebook or only including an incomplete version.

 Eldarain wrote:
Gunning for that second true in pretre's thread?

No, just passing along the bad news so if it happens we don't get caught by surprise.

 Eldarain wrote:
It seemed this was decided when that entry in White Dwarf was published. I definitely expected them to either move away from including the mini-rulebook or only including an incomplete version.

If they're still writing WD 3 months out then it's possible this was a recent reversal of a previous plan. I won't pretend to know everything, but I wouldn't count on GW updating the rules, complete or not, to 7th.

I got my info immediately before Memorial Day. Dark vengeance gets a sticker saying the rules are out of date. No update within the box.

I guess it could be that DV already out 'in the wild' will get a sticker

while DV sent out fresh from GW either direct or into distribution (from whatever day zero GW chooses)

which is pretty much what happens in other fields of business when a company tweeks a product.

Retailers with the old version have to carry on selling the now out of date stock they have in their inventory (or dump it)

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Dark vengeance gets a sticker saying the rules are out of date. No update within the box.

If that is the case, it would have made infinitely more sense to simply ship the retailers stickers to apply, instead of shipping boxes back and forth.

I just assumed there will be a shrink wrapped mini rulebook shrink wrapped onto the outside of Dark Vengence, if we ever see it again.

"Sorry Mario, but your rulebook is in another castle" seems like a bad way to go about introducing people to HHHobby.

Way to go making the barrier to entry just that little bit higher GW.

Early on rumours stated "Mini rule book in starter" to be up for sale in August?

I'm assuming this rumoured sticker is just going to be a power armoured hand giving the finger?

They could make a different sticker for each of the founding legions, and get people to collect the whole set!

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
From issue 16:

“DARK VENGEANCE

The Dark Vengeance box set currently contains a copy of the rules from the last edition of Warhammer 40,000 – rest assured that in the near future this will be updated to contain the new edition of The Rules. Stay tuned to White Dwarf for news on this exciting development.”

Excerpt From: Dwarf, White. “White Dwarf Issue 16: 17 May 2014.” iBooks.

If GW stickered the copies of DV currently in the supply chain, and issued a new version including the new rulebook, then both versions of the story could be true.

It is undoubtedly cheaper to print stickers than to recall and repack the already finished boxes.

Christ on a warbike. Do haters have to hate *so* much that they are willing to believe a hypothetical, back of a shop chat with someone three+ connections away from GW - OVER GW'S OWN MAGAZINE WHICH THEY WRITE THEMSELVES?!

I mean seriously - come on!

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
From issue 16:

“DARK VENGEANCE

The Dark Vengeance box set currently contains a copy of the rules from the last edition of Warhammer 40,000 – rest assured that in the near future this will be updated to contain the new edition of The Rules. Stay tuned to White Dwarf for news on this exciting development.”

Excerpt From: Dwarf, White. “White Dwarf Issue 16: 17 May 2014.” iBooks.

That quote from the WD right there doesn't specifically state that dark vengeance is the one that is going to get the update, it just says there will be an update could mean a new starter.

Tetsugaku wrote:
Christ on a warbike. Do haters have to hate *so* much that they are willing to believe a hypothetical, back of a shop chat with someone three+ connections away from GW - OVER GW'S OWN MAGAZINE WHICH THEY WRITE THEMSELVES?!

I mean seriously - come on!

Firstly, please don't use the H word, or you may find yourself on the end of various WK type accusations.

Secondly - don't shout, we can hear you just fine.

Thirdly - precedent - White Dwarf have got things wrong in the past, which, unsurprisingly, means that information that conflicts with that stated in the magazine is often not disregarded out of hand, not to mention, things can change, and what was true three weeks or so ago when the WD went to print, may well have changed, and this thread is based in more recent info.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
From issue 16:

“DARK VENGEANCE

The Dark Vengeance box set currently contains a copy of the rules from the last edition of Warhammer 40,000 – rest assured that in the near future this will be updated to contain the new edition of The Rules. Stay tuned to White Dwarf for news on this exciting development.”

Excerpt From: Dwarf, White. “White Dwarf Issue 16: 17 May 2014.” iBooks.

If GW stickered the copies of DV currently in the supply chain, and issued a new version including the new rulebook, then both versions of the story could be true.

It is undoubtedly cheaper to print stickers than to recall and repack the already finished boxes.

I agree with KK's vision of how this will likely play out. Mainly because he's pretty groovy.

If that's the case then the least they could do is drop the price down by £10...right?

 warspawned wrote:
If that's the case then the least they could do is drop the price down by £10...right?

They should, yes.

 azreal13 wrote:
Thirdly - precedent - White Dwarf have got things wrong in the past, which, unsurprisingly, means that information that conflicts with that stated in the magazine is often not disregarded out of hand, not to mention, things can change, and what was true three weeks or so ago when the WD went to print, may well have changed, and this thread is based in more recent info.

GW gets rules wrong in WD lots, but have they ever gotten something wrong on an announcement like this?

Ub3rb3n wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
From issue 16:

“DARK VENGEANCE

The Dark Vengeance box set currently contains a copy of the rules from the last edition of Warhammer 40,000 – rest assured that in the near future this will be updated to contain the new edition of The Rules. Stay tuned to White Dwarf for news on this exciting development.”

Excerpt From: Dwarf, White. “White Dwarf Issue 16: 17 May 2014.” iBooks.

That quote from the WD right there doesn't specifically state that dark vengeance is the one that is going to get the update, it just says there will be an update could mean a new starter.

Wat? It says right there that DV will be getting the updated rules..."This" being the DV set mentioned in the first part of the sentence.

 warspawned wrote:
If that's the case then the least they could do is drop the price down by £10...right?

They should (I would buy another couple ) but they probably won't, but if they don't drop it you should get a voucher. Either for a free mini rule book in the future or for money off the main rule book now

Tetsugaku wrote:
Christ on a warbike. Do haters have to hate *so* much that they are willing to believe a hypothetical, back of a shop chat with someone three+ connections away from GW - OVER GW'S OWN MAGAZINE WHICH THEY WRITE THEMSELVES?!

I mean seriously - come on!

My source is high up in NA. That is all. Far more accurate than a WD, which screws up often, thanks.

@Adam, the stickers were supposed to be mailed to stores when they got in 7th edition, to apply themselves.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Tetsugaku wrote:
Christ on a warbike. Do haters have to hate *so* much that they are willing to believe a hypothetical, back of a shop chat with someone three+ connections away from GW - OVER GW'S OWN MAGAZINE WHICH THEY WRITE THEMSELVES?!

I mean seriously - come on!

My source is high up in NA. That is all. Far more accurate than a WD, which screws up often, thanks.

On the other topic, the stickers were supposed to be mailed to stores when they got in 7th edition, to apply themselves.

Already seen the stickers on boxes in GW store in Darlington, UK

 timetowaste85 wrote:

Tetsugaku wrote:
Christ on a warbike. Do haters have to hate *so* much that they are willing to believe a hypothetical, back of a shop chat with someone three+ connections away from GW - OVER GW'S OWN MAGAZINE WHICH THEY WRITE THEMSELVES?!

I mean seriously - come on!

My source is high up in NA. That is all. Far more accurate than a WD, which screws up often, thanks.

What are we calling "screw ups"? Because you don't genuinely expect them to give you all of the rules for a shiny new unit, right?

@Adam, the stickers were supposed to be mailed to stores when they got in 7th edition, to apply themselves.

So more likely than "There's no new starter!" or "They're not repackaging Dark Vengeance with a new rulebook!", they just royally messed up and didn't send the stickers out properly.

 Kanluwen wrote:

What are we calling "screw ups"? Because you don't genuinely expect them to give you all of the rules for a shiny new unit, right?

Of course not, that would add some real, genuine, value to the magazine and nobody would actually want that!

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I was talking to one of the owners at my FLGS about Dark Vengence (namely because I was looking for one for a painting project I'm working on and he didn't have any in stock) and from what his distributor has told him Dark Vengeance is not getting a new rulebook, just a sticker saying the rules aren't current. It's also been pulled off the mandatory stockist list. GW is looking just to draw down how many sets they have right now before an eventual new Starter set comes out. So when it's gone, it's gone.

Those kits aren't going anywhere for a little while. They cranked out so many in such a short time that your going to be seeing as many of them out as you still se AOBR sets still in circulation.

Don't know the genius behind it, but I an pretty much chalk it up to legends in their own mindset, as a culprit.

You'll be in good company as you scour Feebey for the over inflated chaos dred/ construct and cultists.

I still have mine for Necromunda scale games, btw. I'm in the middle of putting some las guns on some as well for general skirmish stuff.


As much as I want to just up and chuck it all, the painting helps the chaos of my Vida loca, if that sounds crazy enough for you.