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They seem like a rarity, and it seems like they wouldn't really go unnoticed, but there are few that are flat out named. Can we get some names? Some that I know exceed this level, or are on it are:
The Emperor: Comparable to the Chaos Gods in their waning periods in his hideous power. Way above any other psyker, and even Magnus.
Magnus the Red: Hideously more powerful than a guy who moved the moon. Killed what's implied to be Tzeentch in another form by snapping it's neck. Or just some other minor warp god entity the HH seems to have produced.
Lorgar: Toyed around psychically with a daemon prince controlling an entire planet, literally for the lolz.
Malacdor: Hid the Terran moon in the Warp.
Eldrad: Beat the crap out of Abaddon, and was close to killing Ahriman (who was close to killing him)
Ahriman: The strongest Astartes psyker. Fought with Eldrad who got the better of him.
The Apex Twins: Implied to be the strongest human psykers in the 40th millennium.
Who else?

I can't remember if they are mentioned by name, but in the Eisenhorn series Quixos, another inquisitor, is gathering psykers of all levels, including alpha I believe, to further his loyal service to the Emperor. I just can't remember if they are named, or if it just says that there are alphas there.

The Emperor and Magnus are beyond the psyker ratings- those are served for mortals, not the God Emperor or Magnus who are beyond even the level of Alpha Plus.

Also, Daki'ir provides a good example after he consumed the memories of what was IIRC a hundred Salamanders from the Horus Heresy. He then activated his super sayain powers and flew through space to cut a Chaos capital ship that dwarfed even a Battle Barge, in half with a sword of fire. He then flew back to Nocturne and proceeded to engage in mortal combat with a Kaiju-sized daemon and ended slamming it into a volcano and blowing it up.

He then crawled out of the volcano and was executed by his nemesis within the Salamander ranks as he was in danger of letting his powers boil over and immolate the entire planet. He also has almost certainly resurrected by now which was hinted at in the final short story, which isn't surprising as he's done it before.

But yeah, he did indeed fly through space and slice a capital ship in half. Dak'ir certainly seems to take a more physical approach with his psyker powers.

Malcador hid Titan, not Luna.
Ahriman's powers are great, but not Alpha plus naturally, he boosts them with sorcery, which is sort of cheating.
Mephiston and Tigurius are high level psykers and they're about Beta level at the most.
Also, one of Ravenor's enemies refers to him as Alpha level, but it's widely recognised that he's just exaggerating to prove a point.

Titan's bigger than Luna though, so that only makes Malcador all the more impressive.

Empy > Magnus > Eldred.

The rest come after those.

Eldred is basically the apex of a mortal psyker. Anyone above his level would be 'Alpha'. Anyone (including Tiggy, regardless of what the rules say) who is in open conflict but not carefully controlling the flow of events for eons to come isn't close to those three.

Empy and Magnus are obvious. Eldred's power is mostly focused on seeing possible futures, and carefully building the 'best' one.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Titan's bigger than Luna though, so that only makes Malcador all the more impressive.

Aparrently Titan is twice the mass of the Terran moon.

I don't think the Emperor counts, as he may well be an Alpha Level Psyker or Higher, but he is in fact the reincarnation of thousands of other Psykers who committed suicide to form him, So that should put him out of the running. Eldrad might be Alpha, but he doesn't show it. Indeed, he is easily at Alpha level when using Divination, but at other disciplines he either holds back for fear of inviting Daemons or is simply not as powerful. Remember, it's entirely possible for every Eldar Farseer to be an Alpha Level Psyker, but they have to hold back their true power for fear of letting Daemons in. Ahriman shouldn't be classed as Alpha either, as earlier mentioned, Sorcery and being a Powerful psyker are not the same things, and much of Ahriman's power comes from books and artifacts. Magnus i would count, and unbound Logar, as well as Malacdor (Although i believe his power was augmented by the Emperor?).

There is a reason not many Alpha Level Psykers are named, it's because they barely ever accomplish anything of note. They are almost without exception stark raving Mad, Possessed by Daemons or killed as a Child. That's why when the Space Marine codex marks Tiggy out as the most powerful Psyker they have, when he is likely only Beta, is because he can *control* his abilities, while an Alpha has no chance. I mean the Apex Twins had enough Psychic juice to freeze a Black Ship over for Feth's sake!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Titan's bigger than Luna though, so that only makes Malcador all the more impressive.

It's also got more mass, it's got enough to develop its own natural satellites, I wasn't marking down Malcador's power, he was Alpha plus, if anyone ever was.

Not sure he was full human, could he have handled the power if he was not somthing different?

trying to remember which book this is from,

but I do recal a little girl who was psychic who could split planets in half... that sounds alpha level ish to me...


even if its only .000001% of .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of all humans who can do it, on such a vast scale, there must be a few handfuls of these power level people.

When does Eldrad fight Ahriman?

 Veteran of The Long War wrote:
When does Eldrad fight Ahriman?

I was just told they had a brief scuffle by a fellow Dakka member.
I don't remember the source, sorry.

Primodial, are you getting confused with the time Eldrad got into a fight with Abbadon and whipped his armless ass while saying 'getcho ass off'a my lawn!''. It was fluff from a Battle Report during the 13th Crusade from a White Dwarf were Abbadon + Termies Charged Eldrad plus Council, Eldrad preceded to school those chumps and sent Abbadon with his tail between his legs off to his flag ship. I don't believe Ahriman and Eldrad have ever fought to the best of my knowledge.

All the named Psykers in the game and codexes that I know of.



Inquisitor Coteaz, Castellan Crowe, all generic psykers- Delta Level
Brother-Captain Stern, Grand Master Mordrak, Ezekiel- Gamma Level
Justicar Thawn (can bring himself back from the dead), Draigo (the , Mephiston, Tiguirius, Ol' Zogwart, Grey Knight Librarians, Farseers, Lorgar (normal mode), Sevrin Loth- Beta Level
Eldrad, Ahriman- Bordering on Beta and Alpha level
Fateweaver- Alpha
Magnus the Red, Chaos Lorgar- Alpha+
Emperor of Mankind- Omega (Alpha++++++++)

It is noted in a couple bits of fluff in various places that "Alpha-plus" is a theoretical level, and there are no known living psykers rated this strongly.

 Psienesis wrote:
It is noted in a couple bits of fluff in various places that "Alpha-plus" is a theoretical level, and there are no known living psykers rated this strongly.

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away. Bear in mind the power of Lorgar by now, who is shown im Betrayer to have pulled a Thunderhawk from the sky by pure spite (). Magnus also ripped a couple Titans in half, teleported his whole Legion into the warp dispite the prescence of the Sisters of Silence (all of whom are blanks), talk with the Emperor, psychically across the galaxy despite the psychic blocks put in place by Erebus.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

 motyak wrote:
I can't remember if they are mentioned by name, but in the Eisenhorn series Quixos, another inquisitor, is gathering psykers of all levels, including alpha I believe, to further his loyal service to the Emperor. I just can't remember if they are named, or if it just says that there are alphas there.

The psykers are unnamed but IIRC one of them starts controlling the population of a Hive City and destroyed an IG convoy.

Oh and made a very powerful Inquisitor shoot a Space Marine in the face.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 motyak wrote:
I can't remember if they are mentioned by name, but in the Eisenhorn series Quixos, another inquisitor, is gathering psykers of all levels, including alpha I believe, to further his loyal service to the Emperor. I just can't remember if they are named, or if it just says that there are alphas there.

The psykers are unnamed but IIRC one of them starts controlling the population of a Hive City and destroyed an IG convoy.

Oh and made a very powerful Inquisitor shoot a Space Marine in the face.

I think it's just a million or so people (lol), not the whole hive, but yeah that's the bit I was referring to, that and the other psykers Quixos had already picked up.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

Apples to oranges comparison. Earthquakes happen due to a fairly well-understood movement of tectonic plates. If the tectonic plate is suddenly yanked four hundred feet higher because of a passing mass-shadow, that does not really qualify as an earthquake in an accurate sense of the word. The alpha/alpha-plus scale of psychic ability is so far out of the range of practical application, that it is generally considered beyond the ability of humans to wield... the God-Emperor being a notable exception, but, then, he's the exception to everything Human.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

Apples to oranges comparison. Earthquakes happen due to a fairly well-understood movement of tectonic plates. If the tectonic plate is suddenly yanked four hundred feet higher because of a passing mass-shadow, that does not really qualify as an earthquake in an accurate sense of the word. The alpha/alpha-plus scale of psychic ability is so far out of the range of practical application, that it is generally considered beyond the ability of humans to wield... the God-Emperor being a notable exception, but, then, he's the exception to everything Human.

Just because something has not been categorised yet does not mean it is uncategorisable. The Emperor, and Magnus, simply go above the highest level, so make a new level for them. Omega Level or something. Simply done.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

Apples to oranges comparison. Earthquakes happen due to a fairly well-understood movement of tectonic plates. If the tectonic plate is suddenly yanked four hundred feet higher because of a passing mass-shadow, that does not really qualify as an earthquake in an accurate sense of the word. The alpha/alpha-plus scale of psychic ability is so far out of the range of practical application, that it is generally considered beyond the ability of humans to wield... the God-Emperor being a notable exception, but, then, he's the exception to everything Human.

Just because something has not been categorised yet does not mean it is uncategorisable. The Emperor, and Magnus, simply go above the highest level, so make a new level for them. Omega Level or something. Simply done.

...

The scale goes by the Greek Alphabet- Omega would be so low you might as well be a Blank.


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 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

Apples to oranges comparison. Earthquakes happen due to a fairly well-understood movement of tectonic plates. If the tectonic plate is suddenly yanked four hundred feet higher because of a passing mass-shadow, that does not really qualify as an earthquake in an accurate sense of the word. The alpha/alpha-plus scale of psychic ability is so far out of the range of practical application, that it is generally considered beyond the ability of humans to wield... the God-Emperor being a notable exception, but, then, he's the exception to everything Human.

Just because something has not been categorised yet does not mean it is uncategorisable. The Emperor, and Magnus, simply go above the highest level, so make a new level for them. Omega Level or something. Simply done.

...

The scale goes by the Greek Alphabet- Omega would be so low you might as well be a Blank.

Saying Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one in Aurelian is not only a gross representation of the situation, but for people who haven't read it it is misleading in the way it represents Magnus as monstrously more powerful than Lorgar at that point which goes against the main theme of that short story.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

Apples to oranges comparison. Earthquakes happen due to a fairly well-understood movement of tectonic plates. If the tectonic plate is suddenly yanked four hundred feet higher because of a passing mass-shadow, that does not really qualify as an earthquake in an accurate sense of the word. The alpha/alpha-plus scale of psychic ability is so far out of the range of practical application, that it is generally considered beyond the ability of humans to wield... the God-Emperor being a notable exception, but, then, he's the exception to everything Human.

Just because something has not been categorised yet does not mean it is uncategorisable. The Emperor, and Magnus, simply go above the highest level, so make a new level for them. Omega Level or something. Simply done.

...

The scale goes by the Greek Alphabet- Omega would be so low you might as well be a Blank.


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 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

See my post. Magnus and the Big E are easily Alpha+ psykers at the very least. Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one half a galaxy away.

You can claim that, but as the tests were never performed on them to judge their psychic ability, they're not placed on the scale.

In the current era, only mortal psykers are rated by this scale. Daemonic entities, as both of these Daemon Primarchs would be, are simply not eligible for the test.

The Emperor keeps all of reality from ripping open and allowing the Warp to spill out and Daemons to raise Hell (literally), directs the Astromican to guide all Imperial ships and keeps human souls from being devoured, every second of every day of every year for 10,000 years. Beat that.

Was likewise never tested, and is regarded as a Divine Being by the Imperium, the Greatest Psyker to Have Ever Been, and so is also not considered eligible for this test, as His psychic might, of course, puts that of any other mortal to shame.

If an earthquake goes above the Richter Scale, is it not an earthquake?

Apples to oranges comparison. Earthquakes happen due to a fairly well-understood movement of tectonic plates. If the tectonic plate is suddenly yanked four hundred feet higher because of a passing mass-shadow, that does not really qualify as an earthquake in an accurate sense of the word. The alpha/alpha-plus scale of psychic ability is so far out of the range of practical application, that it is generally considered beyond the ability of humans to wield... the God-Emperor being a notable exception, but, then, he's the exception to everything Human.

Just because something has not been categorised yet does not mean it is uncategorisable. The Emperor, and Magnus, simply go above the highest level, so make a new level for them. Omega Level or something. Simply done.

...

The scale goes by the Greek Alphabet- Omega would be so low you might as well be a Blank.

There is also symbolism in Omega, such as its use in the Bible's Book of Relevations. I don't know the exact passage, except that its used in Fallout 3, beginning with the the line "I am the Alpha and the Omega..."

In both this passage and my suggestion, Omega, as the final letter of the Greek Alphabet, is suggesting that the Emperor/God is the be all and end all. Meaning that in terms of psychic power, an "Omega" level psyker is the final word in psychic potential, and there is simply nothing after or superior to that.


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jakejackjake wrote:
Saying Magnus ripped Lorgar a mental new one in Aurelian is not only a gross representation of the situation, but for people who haven't read it it is misleading in the way it represents Magnus as monstrously more powerful than Lorgar at that point which goes against the main theme of that short story.

Okay, fair point, a gross exaggeration, my bad.

However, the point I'm making is that despite Lorgar's phenomenal psychic strength (Pure Spite!) he was not nearly powerful enough to rival Magnus, and although Magnus comments on his newfound powers, still defeats him, with ease it can be argued, from half a galaxy away.

 motyak wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 motyak wrote:
I can't remember if they are mentioned by name, but in the Eisenhorn series Quixos, another inquisitor, is gathering psykers of all levels, including alpha I believe, to further his loyal service to the Emperor. I just can't remember if they are named, or if it just says that there are alphas there.

The psykers are unnamed but IIRC one of them starts controlling the population of a Hive City and destroyed an IG convoy.

Oh and made a very powerful Inquisitor shoot a Space Marine in the face.

I think it's just a million or so people (lol), not the whole hive, but yeah that's the bit I was referring to, that and the other psykers Quixos had already picked up.

The psyker is actually constantly expanding the area he's controlling so I assume he could do this almost indefinitely.

Well, he's expanding the area that he controls, but they are culling the numbers of people he controls. You do have a good point though, the ranges at which he can still dominate crowds, compel them back to the point that the arbites are holding and still go searching for more is seriously impressive. I can't find my copy of Eisenhorn to remember just what they classed him as though.

...Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. The Biblical passage is "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End", and is a reference to God speaking about Himself, as being the first and last of the gods, of existence, of creation, of... basically everything.

So, to use "Omega" as a rating of the 40K scale with psykers, keeping it in line with the current structure, that would be a "Grade Z" psyker... which would be ultra-Untouchable.

The Alpha-plus is the "A+" grade. You are better than the best grade the scale covers.

I'm sure I once read somewhere that Omega level is total blank, an absolute Pariah, Untouchable etc. The first half of the Greek alphabet rating psykers, the second half rating blanks.