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Save yourself some trouble, "Pure" Deathwing (only Characters in Terminator Armor, Terminators, Land Raiders, and Dreads) will blow. Just don't bother. The only thing that made them somewhat good was the fact that each squad could take two assault cannons. Now that they're down to one, they're really handicapped without support.

Belial is such a monster though I cannot resist the urge to take him out for a spin.

- Greenie

Posted By CaptKaruthors on 02/05/2007 3:17 PM
More like people need to calm down and absorb what they read. People were howling and crying when the Bugs book came out, moaned how nerfed the Eldar would be when their book came out....but sadly you don't hear from those people anymore.

No were still here, but feel much better after reading the DA codex. 

So did razorbacks get a points decrease? If they did, they may make it into the "very worth it" category for DAs.

I haven't seen the codex but if Razorbacks cost 55 points (-15 points like rhinos) then they would be worth it. You could probably fit 5-6 of them in a 1750 point list (with associated combat squads) and still have room for 2-3 tanks, a some assault marines/land speeders.

as a dark angels player i can say i will adapt

 

my deathwing takes more of a hit from loosing vet skills than anything else(well that and teleport homers) 1 heavy weapon actually hurts me less as i end up with one more than i had before now that i can mix squads.

 

 

my ravenwing on the other hand is dead from the start. unlike vodoo i liked running my speeders and attack bikes in full squads. the only way for me to salvage my ravenwing is to combine it with my 3rd company mechanized forces as to do otherwise would require me to buy a crapton of models and break apart my attack bikes and tornados to make regular bikes and speeders.  after all the time , money and effort i put into making them that is not going to happen.

i'll comment more when i actually get my hands on the new codex.

I plan on writing up a few lists using the Chaos codex to mimic my Dark Angels army using my DA models.

So far I find I can do allmost the same thing for less points, with alot of options still open to me if I want to do more.

The hq is better since I can't put a sos onto hq's I would use, the bike squads are alot better, and I have alot flexablity with the troop and dev squads.

I'll loose speeders... but gain so much more.

Currently the Iron Warriors list looks good for that.

+'s:

Can still take Devastators (Havocs) as Elites.
Can still field Vindicator.

-'s:
Can't field Land Raider Crusade.
Lose ATSKNF. (Though gain MoCU.)

I believe that extra HS for 2 FA slots is optional, so you can still field assault squads and bikes.

I'm on a Traitor-themed team for Adepticon this year, and I'm fielding my DA as Fallen Angels, using the Wordbearer rules. Mostly so that I can have a Fallen Chaplain.

Here is the deal. Ultramarines and trait Chapters will continue to enjoy the ultimate in customization and flexibility. While Black Templars are 'new' they got their codex before the 'new' direction GW is headed now. DA, BA and SW will all be highly restricted codices.

- Greenie

Green Bloater, have you tested the list yet. I am interested in your results. If you are up for a game, PM me.

Mahu

I will let you know when I get the codex and have devised a competitive army list.

If you still want to test it with me you have my number. Though, as discussed, I will field an "average" army for the first few tests.  Instead of a balls to the wall competetive "I will eat your chilren" list that I normally field.

Hey Greenie, I'd like to test some games with you as well. I might as well see how well they do before committing to start another marine army, although I still hold the opinion that DA are going to be pretty cool. Plus, I can get some more playtesting in with my tourney IG list.

Capt K

Sure. Bring your most vicious stuff. It will probably be a couple weeks before I have anything ready.

- Greenie

Modified Turnsignals Comic.

LOL!

- Greenie

If they actually think along those lines...DE and orks are screwed. Unless you really, really like stikk bombas and hellions.

Well I finally got my codex in the mail today and after reading it again it is not so bad after all. Assault squads can drop their jump packs and take a drop pod for free. How cool is that? The veteran squads are also very potent as well as the five man command squads. There is also a banner that confers +1A for the squad to which the standard bearer is attached. So I am starting to see the new DA as a very strong drop pod assault army.

- Greenie

Well I finally got my codex in the mail today and after reading it again it is not so bad after all. Assault squads can drop their jump packs and take a drop pod for free. How cool is that? The veteran squads are also very potent as well as the five man command squads. There is also a banner that confers +1A for the squad to which the standard bearer is attached. So I am starting to see the new DA as a very strong drop pod assault army.

- Greenie

Don't forget you get free bolt pistols now!

Won't anyone think of the bolt pistols!

That sounds cool Greenie. I am really looking at a drop pod force as my next Marine Army. I like the concept behind Dark Angel playstyles and if they are competitve in a Drop Pod force, I am starting Dark Angels for sure. Post your preliminary list and let us see what you are going to do.

I hate to say it but my planned DA drop pod list will most likely be more potent than my high flying BA. Well maybe not quite, but certainly very close.

* EVIL GRIN *

Maybe we can get in some games at Rhubarbs next weekend.

- Greenie

This weekend is busy on both our counts.

The next weekend Sci-Fi is holding a raffle for the new Dark Angels army and Battleforces. $1.00 a ticket or three half full sprues get you a ticket. Games Workshop is trying to support our Terrain beutification project.

So where you want the match to go down is up to you. Sci-Fi does have the advantage of possibly gaining more Dark Angel goodness, if you are interested.

Interesting...A Space Marine army that is powerful with Drop Pods..."yawn"

Greets
Schepp himself

P.s. Sorry, I just had to...

I am really into drop pods.

- Greenie

Look for the new book out this Spring from Simon & Shuster, "Drop Pods: They really are my bag, baby" by Green Bloater.

LOL!

Since everyone is bashing the dark angels I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what types of DA armies will work?

Pod armies and marine hoard armies seem to be the most obvious as they usually take 10 man squads anyways and the marine hoard now becomes 16 or so scoring units.

Mechanized lists are also a good possibility. Those of us who were playing mechanized already don't have as rough a time adapting. I posted a proposed list several pages back. You lose a little firepower, but you tend to make up for the more expensive stuff with the cost decreases on the transports.

I am going to run three full assault squads in drop pods along with three full veteran squads in drop pods, MotRW on a jetbike, and use biker squadrons for my troop choices.

- Greenie