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Ian Miller is without a doubt my favorite.
Wish that he was still doing GW stuff. I think he was freelancing though but with the amount of material he did I kind of doubt it! Some of his pictures can still be found in GW material though. Have to look kind of hard though. It's there though!

This captures the flavor of Chaos waaaay more than any other artist has been able to do. Sorry guys!
http://animewallpapers.lt/albums/DESIM/DarTinka/FANTASY-ART---WarHammer/ian_miller_the_slaanesh_women.jpg

Now that I know what Jim Burns did I love his stuff.

Wil Rees had a pretty cool style. Loved his hatching.

:edit: Yes I know I've made a post on this before, but hey, things change! : )

JohnBlanchebadWHAT wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:John Blanche is bad, bad, bad I tell ya!

I want pictures on your drawings and your work before I take your opinion seriously..
I'm less than impressed by your miniature painting skills so let's see, you can talk the talk, can you walk the walk?
Give me something that comes close to anything Blanche have done.

OK, here:



It's red, but you can clearly tell what it is.

So it's far superior to practically anything Blanche has drawn.


Point in fact - I'm an amateur artist, and drawing isn't my full-time profession. That doesn't change the fact that John Blanche is a no-talent hack.

The blanche cover of the Sisters of Battle codex pisses all over your eldar line drawing. Also what the feth is up with those 'bulbous' shoulders? Highly unlike the aesthetic of the race.


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Evil Eli wrote:I saw this back in 1989 and I have been hooked ever since.

I don't know who painted this , So if anyone knows please let me know. I would love to get a nice print of this.

I think that's by Les Edwards, he did some amazing stuff for GW, was 'in his prime' with them around the Dark Future era.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

JohnBlanchebadWHAT wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:John Blanche is bad, bad, bad I tell ya!

I want pictures on your drawings and your work before I take your opinion seriously..
I'm less than impressed by your miniature painting skills so let's see, you can talk the talk, can you walk the walk?
Give me something that comes close to anything Blanche have done.

OK, here:



It's red, but you can clearly tell what it is.

So it's far superior to practically anything Blanche has drawn.


Point in fact - I'm an amateur artist, and drawing isn't my full-time profession. That doesn't change the fact that John Blanche is a no-talent hack.

While I like it.. it's nowhere near John Blanche's magnificence.

I'm off the opinion that to be allowed to talk about art, and especifically criticize art you should be talented yourself.
Without having an artistic mindset and a talent yourself who are you to judge art? What is it about your opinion that warrants being taken seriously?
If it's better than everything Blanche has drawn.. why aren't you praised by "legions"(warhammer is niche, it's all relative) of fans like he is?

There's opinions, they're like donkey-caves.. you get where I'm going? Then there's educated opinions.. then, when it comes to art.. there's, I'm a crazy bohemian artist that lives, eats and breathe art - my opinion is worth more than yours because I'm a romantic, borderline insane, eccentric genius and you can't tell the difference between Van Gogh and Durer.
Most people don't "get art", I hate saying it.. because art snob donkey-caves say it all the time to justify buying art that isn't really art.. but it is true, not in those cases. But in many cases.. I was flabbergasted when a bunch of people started arguing against me when I said Family Guy uses the same art style that Simpsons does.. while there certainly are differences, I couldn't for the life of me understand how they couldn't see the resemblance. That's why I say most people are artistically impaired and their opinion is meaningless.

Along with a bunch of other artists he pretty much is the heart and soul of the Warhammer flavour, whether you like it or not.


To MOD: Thanks for keeping it open.
I honestly never understood the big problem with thread necromancy.. if the thread still serves a purpose why does it matter if it's old?
Why can't threads go on for years and years if there are no other threads discussing the same subject, isn't it better resurrecting an old one rather than starting a new one?
Perhaps you just had to respond to a specific post.. not expectin' y'all to change the rules.. just sayin'.

JohnBlanchebadWHAT wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

JohnBlanchebadWHAT wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:John Blanche is bad, bad, bad I tell ya!

I want pictures on your drawings and your work before I take your opinion seriously..
I'm less than impressed by your miniature painting skills so let's see, you can talk the talk, can you walk the walk?
Give me something that comes close to anything Blanche have done.

OK, here:



It's red, but you can clearly tell what it is.

So it's far superior to practically anything Blanche has drawn.


Point in fact - I'm an amateur artist, and drawing isn't my full-time profession. That doesn't change the fact that John Blanche is a no-talent hack.

While I like it.. it's nowhere near John Blanche's magnificence.

I'm off the opinion that to be allowed to talk about art, and especifically criticize art you should be talented yourself.
Without having an artistic mindset and a talent yourself who are you to judge art? What is it about your opinion that warrants being taken seriously?
If it's better than everything Blanche has drawn.. why aren't you praised by "legions"(warhammer is niche, it's all relative) of fans like he is?

There's opinions, they're like donkey-caves.. you get where I'm going? Then there's educated opinions.. then, when it comes to art.. there's, I'm a crazy bohemian artist that lives, eats and breathe art - my opinion is worth more than yours because I'm a romantic, borderline insane, eccentric genius and you can't tell the difference between Van Gogh and Durer.
Most people don't "get art", I hate saying it.. because art snob donkey-caves say it all the time to justify buying art that isn't really art.. but it is true, not in those cases. But in many cases.. I was flabbergasted when a bunch of people started arguing against me when I said Family Guy uses the same art style that Simpsons does.. while there certainly are differences, I couldn't for the life of me understand how they couldn't see the resemblance. That's why I say most people are artistically impaired and their opinion is meaningless.

Along with a bunch of other artists he pretty much is the heart and soul of the Warhammer flavour, whether you like it or not.


To MOD: Thanks for keeping it open.
I honestly never understood the big problem with thread necromancy.. if the thread still serves a purpose why does it matter if it's old?
Why can't threads go on for years and years if there are no other threads discussing the same subject, isn't it better resurrecting an old one rather than starting a new one?
Perhaps you just had to respond to a specific post.. not expectin' y'all to change the rules.. just sayin'.

You do not need to be talented to talk about art. Likes and dislikes are totally relevant to a discussion of 'favourite artists' like and dislike are all subjective.

John and many other do not like Blanches style technique or execution.

You and I do like it.

My wife will have an altogether more academic opinion by dint of being qualified to talk about arts and having a deep appreciation and understanding of art.

Adrian Smith & Blanche.
For 40K,they are BEST!

Jes Goodwin is also I like.

Paul Daniton, Karl Kopinski, Adrian Smith are all excellent artists, with the first two being my favourites...Their gritty, realistic style really brings the worlds to life, and adds an element of class to the GW art portfolio.

Blanche is garbage IMO. His style, anatomy, colors etc i cant stand. But thats just me.

Mark Gibbons has skill, but was better when he did work for GW in the 90's...when they rehired him for the 4th ed space Marine releases, his anatomy and perspective were terrible...i believe i remember in the 4thed SM codex, the chaplain legs are back to front in terms of perspective...very rusty.

Tony Ackland's work was also amazing, 3rd ed WHFB, RoC: Slaves to Darkness, WHFRP all brought to life by his work.

The fleshhound in Slaves to Darkness is still one of the all-time greats.

wanna play a cool game? its my hobby besides warhammer. http://www.torn.com/register.php?XID=508761

@MGS: I felt the design looked better with huge shoulders rather than tiny ones. The large shoulders balance the head & chess and counterpoint the wings similar to the head-vanes. They also provide visual contrast to the slim legs, waist & arms conveying power for an overall impression of speed and agility - something lightning quick which hits like a freight train.

Could they be smaller and achieve the same design purposes? Sure, to some extent, but then that kinda defeats the point I'm making with a much-larger-than-life design.

That is, the big shoulders are a deliberate detail in the same vein as the segmented wasp waist, or the matched pelvis-ankle guards, or the knee guards splitting the difference between the head and the other guards.
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@JB: It's not intended to be "magnificent". That isn't my style or goal. The point of this particular piece was to clearly show detailing and proportions for a possible 40k-scale Eldar Titan as a refinement and combination of several concept sketches that I had done previously.

I've been drawing for 30 years now, and taken my share of art courses. And certainly, when you ask those questions at a meta level, it's equally fair for me to turn them at a meta-question level: for you to be allowed to criticize me, perhaps you must first be a noted critic of others yourself.

As for why I'm not famous, it's simply because it's not what I do for my living. I choose not to live the life of la Boheme, having steered my talents towards other pursuits.

As for your opinion being worth more than mine, I find that claim to be rather suspect. I certainly can tell the difference between Vincent and Albrecht, along with Manet and Monet. Certainly, you've got more than your fair share of hyperbole in your post, so you ought to make some allowance in others.

As for people buying not-art, I'm sure you're well aware that Sturgeon's law is a gross understatement - far more than 90% of everything is crap. But that top 10%, is clearly visible to the layperson.

So anyhow, yeah, I get you. I get Blanche. He's damn lucky to be where he is.

But from a fanciful standpoint, if John & I were to sit down for a 40k-themed "draw-off", with similar constraints on time, I'm damn sure I can hold my own against him in any juried review. His strengths are primarily conceptual, and his detailing is Baroque. My strengths are more structural and my detailing is more industrial. Because we contrast so much, I'm not worried about going against him. From a pure talent and ability standpoint, we're pretty comparable.

Adrian smith.

Karl Kopinski and Alex Boyd top my list, followed closely by Adrian Smith. Karl and Alex's art work are the primary driving force that kickstarted my interest in Necrons. I wish the rules and models came within even a fraction of conveying the characters in their art. They've all also done excellent work with the Skaven.

EDIT: Gotta throw Paul Dainton in there as well

What is your goal then? What painter isn't striving to be magnificent?

If you've been drawing for over 30 years I'm even more unimpressed.. I figured you were 15-18 years old going by those examples you presented.. I would have considered those concept sketches to be mediocre if they were painted by a 14 year old.

Ok, you really, really think you could stand toe to toe with John Blanche? Wow.
Let me see your finest painting then.

Structural, industrial? You mean soulless and lacking character and originality.. just like functional architecture, god awful, boring and bland would be an understatement.
You probably like John Sullivan and digital art too.
It's not real art you know.. it's blasphemy!

Baroque is the greatest artistic style ever conceived.

Don't let the hybris get to your head.. you couldn't be a renowned artist even if you put 100% of your life into it.
That's why you're not a famous artist.. not because you pursued other activities.
People are born with talent.. they can enhance it, but if you have no talent in the beginning you're not going to be a superior painter no matter how much you work.

You also have to be an eccentric loner.. nothing less will do.

"I dare affirm that any artist... who has nothing singular, eccentric, or at least reputed to be so, in his person, will never become a superior talent."
- Michelangelo

"Creativity is at the heart of eccentricity."
- David Weeks

"The painter must be solitary. For if you are alone you are completely yourself, but if you are accompanied by a single companion, you are only half yourself."
- Leonardo da Vinci

"The artist's task is to become a successful eccentric, a strange but wise duck able to venture out of solitary confinement and mingle among society."
- Eric Maisel




Ok.. show us your finest work then, cause I'm certain it won't come close to anything Blanche has EVER done.

Give us something akin to the cover of the 3rd edition boxed set please.

JohnBlanchebadWHAT wrote:What is your goal then? What painter isn't striving to be magnificent?

If you've been drawing for over 30 years I'm even more unimpressed.. I figured you were 15-18 years old going by those examples you presented.. I would have considered those concept sketches to be mediocre if they were painted by a 14 year old.

Ok, you really, really think you could stand toe to toe with John Blanche? Wow.
Let me see your finest painting then.

Structural, industrial? You mean soulless and lacking character and originality.. just like functional architecture, god awful, boring and bland would be an understatement.
You probably like John Sullivan and digital art too.
It's not real art you know.. it's blasphemy!

Baroque is the greatest artistic style ever conceived.

Don't let the hybris get to your head.. you couldn't be a renowned artist even if you put 100% of your life into it.
That's why you're not a famous artist.. not because you pursued other activities.
People are born with talent.. they can enhance it, but if you have no talent in the beginning you're not going to be a superior painter no matter how much you work.

You also have to be an eccentric loner.. nothing less will do.

"I dare affirm that any artist... who has nothing singular, eccentric, or at least reputed to be so, in his person, will never become a superior talent."
- Michelangelo

"Creativity is at the heart of eccentricity."
- David Weeks

"The painter must be solitary. For if you are alone you are completely yourself, but if you are accompanied by a single companion, you are only half yourself."
- Leonardo da Vinci

"The artist's task is to become a successful eccentric, a strange but wise duck able to venture out of solitary confinement and mingle among society."
- Eric Maisel




Ok.. show us your finest work then, cause I'm certain it won't come close to anything Blanche has EVER done.

Give us something akin to the cover of the 3rd edition boxed set please.

John showed first! show us yours! fairs fair.

Am I allowed to say Carl Critchlow?

I have got to say John Blanche, as I believe I share a very similar style with him, and how he related "punks" and all of that good stuff.

If this counts, I like Gary Morely for doing those goiaths. :x

I never claimed to be superior to John Blanche, which he did.

Besides, I don't have anything to show, I only paint once every few years.. and then I throw it away cause I'm narcissistic and I hate myself like that.. I could never live up to my dreams of perfection so I don't even try these days.. I'm slaaneshi like that.
I'm one of those guys that refuse to show my work cause I couldn't bear showing my failure to anyone but myself.
And I insist that it isn't good, cause it isn't.. even though laymen think it's "great".
That's why I don't respect their opinion.
That, and I've seen the drawings they consider good.

And even if I had something to show, and would be willing to show it(which I wouldn't), I don't even have a camera or a scanner. Cause I don't show up on photos.. I'm vampiric like that.

Excellent excuse, right? Honestly, it's not an excuse.. it's all true, except the vampire part.
And I understand if John don't want to show his other works if I don't show mine, but that's fine, I've seen enough.

I also want to apologize for being rude(was I? I don't even know anymore, I'm too far out already), when I thought about it while smoking a cigarette I felt bad and regretted it.

"I am getting so far out one day I won't come back at all."
- William S. Burroughs

JohnBlanchebadWHAT wrote:I don't have anything to show

Seriously?

You necro'd this thread to get on my case, but in reality, you're all talk?




At least I had the stones to put up.

You won't even do that.

Go away until you can actually show that you're even half the artist that I am.


Mods, please lock this abomination.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Tony Ackland's work was also amazing, 3rd ed WHFB, RoC: Slaves to Darkness, WHFRP all brought to life by his work.

The fleshhound in Slaves to Darkness is still one of the all-time greats.

This, Tony Ackland is fantastic.

Why did GW drop these guys anyway?

IBTL

and +1 Paul Bonner. Cartoony but I love it. (I'm not an artist...is it ok to like him). Can't stand Blanche's stuff either... I get it but it really turns me off. I hope I can still go to art museum's even though I don't draw, paint or sculpt.



http://www.paulbonner.net/

Well, that turned silly. Putting it back to bed.