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Generic lesser Daemons from the Chaos codex have proven very useful for me......only 130 points for 10 and have tied up a tyrant/guard retinue for 3 turns before and get 30 attacks on the charge/fearless/5+invul

ditto that. I have gotten some surpristing results using them. Also, I recently assaulted 12 chaos spawn into 10 chaos terminators and wiped them on the charge. Not terribly likely, but it was pretty darn cool.

C'tan!!!!!!

The most powerful unit in close combat...

When I think of how to answer this, I imagine 1 unit going against 1 unit. Lets presume we're not talking about attaching ICs to units, because then you can do some crazy things with Ork nobs and warbosses....

The most powerful unit in close combat is either C'Tan or Ghazgul Thraka.

C'Tan is Toughness 8, and his warscythe ignores all saves, including invulnerable saves. If you tangle C'Tan in close combat, you die.


Ghazgul Thraka. My wife plays Orks, I play Tau. I've been having a bit of fun with her Orks lately, and Ghazgul Thraka can single-handedly kill any of the units (including C'Tan) that everyone here just listed. He has a Strength 10 powerklaw, and 7 attacks on the charge. In any game, he'll be assaulting in turn 2+, which means that he'll Waaaugh! the turn he assaults....and that means that he has a 2+ invulnerable save for his turn and your turn. He has a weapon skill of 6, so he's going to probably need 3s to hit and 2s to wound, and you'll get no armour saves. And in return, he has a 2+ invulnerable save and he's immune to instant death.

In a tournament this past weekend, I had Ghazgul Thraka in a trukk with 10 nobs. I was playing against a terminator army (1300 points). The guy had 2 units of space marines, 1 scout unit, and a swarm of terminators with a Knight-Captain or something as his HQ. Ghazgul broke from the nobs, who went and assaulted his space marines with 4 power klaws, and Ghazgul went to single-handedly deal with the terminators and the HQ. He strikes at initiative 1, but who cares? 2+ invulnerable save, and he's attacking with weapon skill 6, strength 10 powerfist. The terminators and independent character ate it.

Now....using *likely* situations - that means that Ghazgul Thraka is going to either assault or be assaulted turn 2 (by being assaulted, that's presuming you're hitting him with an outflanking unit that came on) what unit in 40k can beat a toughness 5, 4 wound model that is immune to instant death with a 2+ invulnerable save that will get 5-7 powerfist attacks on you per turn?

In my opinion, the most powerful units in the curent 40k edition are Sternguard. In a squad of 10, 2 lascannons and 8 combi-plasma's or combi-meltas, they can take down practically everything before it even gets close. If necessery, they can blow out 8S8 and 2S9 shots in a single shooting phase. That will take down almost anything.

In a recent 1600pts game, i used a scaled-down version of the squad, consisting of 7 sternguard /w 2 lascannons (230pts) and ik took a C'tan down in a single shooting phase.

Is possible, support this sdquad by either a Librarian /w gate of infinity and null zone, or pedro kantor and it'll take down almost everything.

Grt. Pim

hehehe the most top of the line assult unit i have put together is the awsome commisar assult squad. it consists of 9 independent commisars joining up into the command squad to deal rediculous amount of damage for a redicuolusly low cost(10 pt= ws/4,bs/4,w/2,ld/10, and can include powerfists and powerswords)+1 heroic sr officer= masive amount of damage especialy if you can put them in a regular squad with close order drill(+1 initiative). but i guess it wouldent count as a single unit because technicly im combining the independent commisars.IDK...you decide

Yes But your commisar unit is how many kill points..
like 30?

This is the List So far: (basewd on value compared to points)

Abbadon
Ghazgull
C'tan
Sterngaurd
Avatar
Skulltaker
Ork Boy
Loota
Grot
Wolf Scouts
Genestealers
Basilisk
Harlequins
Whyches
TH/SS Terminators
Monolith
Conscript
...
What else?

I'm a big fan of obliterators myself. They have an excellent variety of heavy weapons to suit the needs of almost any situation.

tyranid bio titan!

Very true. Obs, DP's and Plague Marines are all quite powerful

What about the Nightbringer and the Deceiver 4 or 5 attacks each turn, you can't forget about that. But I do have to agree with everyone about the Nob Bikers.

This is the List So far: (basewd on value compared to points)

Abbadon
Ghazgull
C'tan
Jetseer
Noob Bikers
Sterngaurd
Avatar
Skulltaker
Ork Boy
Loota
Grot
Wolf Scouts + Snikrot
Genestealers
Basilisk
Harlequins
Whyches
TH/SS Terminators
Monolith
Conscript
Obs
Daemon prince (with wings, possibly lash)
...
What else?

I probably wouldn't place genestealers in the top list anymore given the accumulated rending nerfs in 5th.

Now in 4rth, yeah they were nasty, capable of ripping apart landraiders, MC, Terminators, ect with ease.

I would have placed Blood Claws before Wolf Scouts. Cheap PF options, with +2 attack when charging/counter charging, and large 15 man units, makes for a pretty affective unit.

@adie:

Rough Rider: 8 Points
Hunting Lance: 3 Points
Total: 11 Points per model
Veteran Sergeant is an extra 6 points.

1 Vet Sgt + 4 RRs + 5 Hunting Lances = 61 Points.

Not sure where you're getting 14 pts per model from...

Problem is, they're Gaurdsmen. I don't care how BAMF they are on the charge, if 5 T3 Sv5+ Guardsmen are exposed for more than the turn they charge, they're dead. A 5-man Bolter-packing Combat-Squadded Marine unit would drop them like a bad habit

It's why I prefer triple Hellhounds.

CK

gaz and 10 mega nobz in a battlefortress what else?

@Corpsman_of_Krieg

My bad man I dont play IG and was half geussing

A Grot!!!!

lol j/k

To kill a grot you have to commit an entire wound..
its 3 points for a wound, and for a mere 720 points (roughly the same as a noob biker squad) you can get 180 wounds, plus 18 runtherds..
So it's like: "how many points does your 120 point wraithlord have.. whats that? only 3? well i have 180 xD!!!"
hahahah

Hands down the assault terminator. for 40 points you get 2 S8 attacks, a 2+ save, and a 3+ invulnerable save. They can survive all sorts of punishment from shooting and HtH. Put them in a landraider and it's game over.

dr vompire wrote:Rough riders, point for point will butcher anything else you throw at them.

you can get about 30 for the cost of night bringer, he's a-gonna die

rough riders would get one charge in, then get pie plated, bown away and charded, not really too scary, but 25 chargig or so? still only 1 or 2 wounds.

adielubbe wrote:Yeah or you can legally take 120 grots for the same points as a nightbringer!!!!!!!
with 12 poisoned runt herds he'll die..
it will be slow but last time i checked he didnt have 120 HtH attack her her her

true the poisned weapons would kill him, but grots cant charge the nightbringer due to their t2 (models t3 or under are blown away when within 6 inch of NB at the beginning of your assault)

At my local GW they had a hero battle. i used Ghazkull. he did pretty good untill i fought Abaddon which i lost against. but it was a great fight.

inquisitors! daemon hunters are so broken! mystic will let you take shots at deep strikers, and you can have a really large amount of wep. servitors, ig with heavy weapons, and a targeter can let you pre-measure, ( more broken) not to mention grimoire of true names, which makes all daemons attacking the unit half WS and a daemon hammer strikes at normal Initiative , so bye bye Angron, blood thirster ,and avatar (and anything deep striking) and a null rod will basically wipe out any psychic power, while word of the emperor will make units charging take a morale test.( cant be used with the null rod though) and sacred incense will make all chaos units take the same test with-1, and the CCWs these guys can pack is ridiculous.

And again....Ghazghkull shouldn't lose against Abbadon if you're on your Waaugh!

He can't punch through your 2+ invulnerable save, even with his 5-11 attacks. You shrug them off like flies, and you're invulnerable to instant death. Abbadon is a *great* nob killer; for taking down Nob bikers, or nobs in trucks, but he and Ghazghkull head to head? Ghazghkull every time.

*laughing* In a hero fight, I bring a Tau commander *every time*. 24" plasma STR6 AP2 shots, 12" rapid fire, with shield drones and a missile launcher or a cyclic ion (lot of options).

You move away 6", fire, assault move away 6", and you always win. No one can catch you when you're moving 12" per turn and pouring plasma into them.

SWEEEET xD!!!!

A Dark Eldar archon loaded with combat drugs, agoniser, and shadow field:

2+ invulnerable save, wounds on 4+ automatically power weapon, 7 attacks with rerolls to hit on the charge...

Ciaphas-Cain wrote: A Dark Eldar archon loaded with combat drugs, agoniser, and shadow field:

2+ invulnerable save, wounds on 4+ automatically power weapon, 7 attacks with rerolls to hit on the charge...

Tell me more about this archon...

How many points is this dark eldar guy?

What about the IG psyker with master crafted force weapon and honorifica imperialis? 77pts, ws4 with re-rolls to hit, ok hes only str 3 but if 1 wound goes through all he needs to do is pass a leadership test at ld9 and kpow! If you put him in a squad witha commisar and heroic snr officer, both with power fists then MCs will die. If you want to get nastier then arm the 4 guardsmen with melta guns or flamers and mount them in a chimera.

As soon as you park the chimera and dismount (hiding the squad from half the opponent's army with the chmera) waste the nearest squad/tank. Next turn either assault or be assaulted. either way something will survive (hopefully its the psyker) and you can cause some more damage.

And why has no-one mentioned a winged hive tyrant?

Dashofpepper wrote:

Ciaphas-Cain wrote: A Dark Eldar archon loaded with combat drugs, agoniser, and shadow field:

2+ invulnerable save, wounds on 4+ automatically power weapon, 7 attacks with rerolls to hit on the charge...

Tell me more about this archon...

Did everyone forget about dark eldar archons all of a sudden?