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Lol, what's funny is that I LOVE the models. Sure, they offer practically no cool customizations imo. I just think they're sexy dave ya know? The Orks I have been thinking of selling, but I'm only 9 Kans and a few Lootas away from having a full army. I might as well keep it, otherwise it all would've been a waste.

There are actually some great conversions you can do with the plastic Warriors and jetbikes.

Another unit that sucks are Hellions. Scourges are one of the worst... there is practically no advantage to having jump infantry that can't fire heavy weapons the same turn they move. Raiders, Ravagers and Warrior squads are the best units to pack heat. Warriors are actually a great unit for a troop choice. Archons with Incubi in a Raider are also solid. I think warp beasts with a beast master is a solid choice for a shock troop... they are fast and expendable.

If you really want to play DE I would run two webway portals... This is where a grotsque could be of some value. To me this is the only way to play the army competively. You can keep most of your army in reserve then fly out of the portals with your skimmers and assault the same turn. This keeps your opponent from shooting down your paper airplanes before you can assault. If you decide to run a WWP list then wyches can work. They are great at tying up enemy assault units and can beat down genestealers... That's nothing to sneeze at either.

Talos... I am on the fence regarding this unit... You need two of them for them to do anything but I would rather put the points somewhere else.

Nightshields on your skimmers can work in a WWP portal army. The main benefit is hosing enemy rapid fire.

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omar wrote:your vehicles are open topped . this is our blessing and our curse . this means we get penned by a bolter , but it also means that we can shoot while being in our vehicles . this gives us survivability . and we got the cheapest transports

but be sure that ALL our cool things will be gone if we get a new 'dex. gw always make other armys worse so that the marines will have it easier

I absolutely have to disagree with this statement. Yes, Marines are always the first codex in an edition, but this gives them the handicap of being slowly outclassed by all the new shinies that come with codex creep. Apparently GW was trying to REVERSE codex creep when DA & BA came out, but obviously with orks and Daemons, this was overrruled by the profit margins. Marines are and always will be a mediocre codex; The skill required to play it is entirely dependent upon the skill of your opponent.

NO. NO. THERE IS NO NEWS OF DARK EL-

Oh, my bad. Yeah they're actually really good. The only thing is their ass-ugly models.

Well, i can tell you form experience of my armies, and playing aginst DE (since 3rd ed to the present), that DE can eat marines, if played properly...remember that all of their armor and vehicles are made of wet paper mache.

Against Mech Eldar (my main list) DE suffer big time. The Eldar have tougher tanks and tons of S6 firepower that will shoot you to pieces..all before they get out to finish you off.

My orks (thanks to 5th and my aversion to Nob bikers) are primarily gunline, with Nobs and Boyz in 2 BWs as an assault force.... I actually feel bad about how fast they can gundown DE...lootas and killakans will be your worst enemy. 2 turns of shooting is usualy enough to gut most of a DE force.

Honstly, DE (and Eldar) can be complicated to play. Throw in old codexes and it gets even more complicated. I would wait unitl the new DE codex (and more importantly minis) then start fresh

Marines were actually hard core in the last codex... You could spam assault cannons like an arsenal and librarians were killing machines. There used to be a lot of crying.

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s1gns wrote:Lol, what's funny is that I LOVE the models. Sure, they offer practically no cool customizations imo. I just think they're sexy dave ya know? The Orks I have been thinking of selling, but I'm only 9 Kans and a few Lootas away from having a full army. I might as well keep it, otherwise it all would've been a waste.

And I am loving my new Ork army. Go figure...

s1gns wrote:Lol, what's funny is that I LOVE the models. Sure, they offer practically no cool customizations imo. I just think they're sexy dave ya know? The Orks I have been thinking of selling, but I'm only 9 Kans and a few Lootas away from having a full army. I might as well keep it, otherwise it all would've been a waste.

you are the most perverse guy i have ever seen ...
but seriously , the modells really look stupid imho

Haha, I may be against the norm on that statement but I still think they're pretty awesome. Judging from how old the codex is, I'm guessing they almost have to put out a new one this edition... (lol?)