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Hollismason wrote:As far as I can tell Drones mounted on Pirahnas are the furthest you can move a unit. That I know of other than wyches. move 12 inches with Pirahnas Disembark 2 inches ; then add another D6 for being able to run; then add 6 for the jetpack move. For a move of 21 to 26 inches across the board.

Models may not disembark from vehicles moving flat out or attempting to move flat out in the same turn.

ptapanin wrote:

Hollismason wrote:As far as I can tell Drones mounted on Pirahnas are the furthest you can move a unit. That I know of other than wyches. move 12 inches with Pirahnas Disembark 2 inches ; then add another D6 for being able to run; then add 6 for the jetpack move. For a move of 21 to 26 inches across the board.

Models may not disembark from vehicles moving flat out or attempting to move flat out in the same turn.

12 inches is cruise speed not flat out. So the drones can still disembark after moving 12 inches.

Yeah its one of the things I actually like about it the more I play around with it in practice. It's actually very good works well and with Skyrays and Warfishes is highly mobile.

As for the 3 full squads = 6 Squads yeah it is actually incredibly useful as you can send drones around to harrass and contest objectives and you use your other squads to claim them.

Again, no, it's not. If you want 6 units, you can get 6 units. In your example you spend 1090 points to get (effectively) 6 units.

You could also buy 6 min sized Fire Warrior squads for 360 points. And they can take objectives.

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying that it's not like you're gonna fill a force org chart at 1500 points.
Getting 2 units for 375 points isn't a lot of units per point. Get it?

For a move of 21 to 26 inches across the board.

Sure, but why do you want to dismount them so bad? They'll get torn up in combat... They can still shoot just fine from the Piranha... And if they're in the Piranha, they're immune to S3-4 shooting (usually). All taking them out does is give the 5 Combat Squadded Bolter Marines something to kill.

Also, this reminds me... If you lose any of your Piranhas in your backfield, all the Drones from that squadron are walking for the rest of the game. They're still pretty fast units, sure, but not as fast as the Piranhas... So, all it takes is one dead Piranha, and they're forced to leave a percentage of their firepower behind. Yet another strike against them.

It's not actually that bad, depending on how you interprete the rules, you will only need 2 or 3 pods per squadron.

I agree with the RAW here, I think you'd only need majority, but I also think people might be a bit annoyed at that interpretation. Might be worth the 10 points to not deal with it.

Hmm, why are you using so many Rhinoes if you think AV11 is so vulnerable?

Many reasons...

1) AV11 Open-Topped ain't the same as normal AV11...
2) Sisters have murderous close range firepower that laughs at what a Piranha can bring. AV11 may be fragile, but when it's the best way to get that firepower in, you use it.
3) The Rhinos aren't the core of the list, they just transport the core of the list. By turn 3 or so, you no longer care if they live.
4) They're not all Rhinos, they're "Rhino chassis." Two of them are Exorcists (AV13).

That said, it's not lost on me what a major problem a Piranha Spam list would pose to my Sisters. I'm not trying to say the Piranha Spam list is a universal loser... I'm saying it's a generally mediocre list that will really polarize the results of games, which people are confusing with being a good list.

Really, I admit I don't know lot about Marine lists, but I don't think that list is all that competive overall.

Again, the point was to just put a lot of shooting in a Marine list in a way that's fairly commonplace. Razorbacks are very popular these days, as they're cheap, shooty, and can taxi people around. I wasn't tuning it to kill the Piranha list. If it looks like it was, that's a commentary on how easy it is to accidentally kill the Piranha list, and not any intent on my part.

Are you guys sure that 15 Piranha with "passenger" drones get to "disembark" them into 3 squads of 10?

Yes. And, in fact, they must. If a Piranha is destroyed, forcing its Drones to disembark, they ALL must disembark. Then they also can't re-embark.

As far as kill points, if I recal correctly, you get the KPs for the Piranha. The Drones neither prevent you from getting them, nor provide any if they die.

Actually for KP's the drone unit does provide a KP if it's wiped out. Any seperate unit in 40k now is a KP. It's why a few guys around here started taking the missile launchers on their devilfish to avoid an extra KP that drones would cause.

This list has potential only if the rules work the way you think they do. (not going to argue here, not YMDC).

However if they don't this army isn't going to function well at all. It lacks troops at lower points levels and Tau's troops aren't exactly hard to kill.

Also I wouldn't make my decision on how effective the army is entirly off of mathhammer. This army will struggle with things like new Guard, Shooty Orks, and other mobile armies such as RW, biker armies. Mech eldar also comes to mind. Its good if you know what your opponent is bringing and you can prepare for it, but it won't go far in a tournament.

I've been a tau player for 5 years, I've tried it and its gotten eaten alive.

I dont think the Drones can fire if the Pirahnas move 12.

I dont think the Drones can fire if the Pirahnas move 12.

I think you can fire them all. It says "in addition."

I dont know if you can as its moving at cruising speed.

Vehicular drones are allowed to fire if the vehicle itself is allowed to fire at least one weapon. Since Piranha is fast vehicle, it can move 12" and shoot with the drones.

That's my reading of it to as the vehicle is open-topped and the drones are passengers.