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Orkeosaurus wrote:We pretty much tied. No one gained land. No one really accomplished their objectives. America and Canada were both happy that they repelled their invaders. Britain didn't care so much, as they were busy fighting Napoleon.

Yeah, but Jackson gave you guys a hell of a bloody nose in New Orleans.

Platuan4th wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:We pretty much tied. No one gained land. No one really accomplished their objectives. America and Canada were both happy that they repelled their invaders. Britain didn't care so much, as they were busy fighting Napoleon.

Yeah, but Jackson gave you guys a hell of a bloody nose in New Orleans.

Neither country was really ready for war but America was desperate to assert itself as a power (not super, just a power). I think we accomplished that much as a nation. Its like standing up to a bully. We didn't win the fight but we did win some respect for starting the fight.

You guys could have picked yourselves a better ally than the French though. I mean...seriously!

Orkeosaurus wrote:We pretty much tied. No one gained land. No one really accomplished their objectives. America and Canada were both happy that they repelled their invaders. Britain didn't care so much, as they were busy fighting Napoleon.

No you tied. My relatives kicked English butt over New Orleans way...

I'm sure Germans from one part of Germany say that to Germans from other parts of Germany. Germany still lost the war though.

Ketara wrote:I'm sure Germans from one part of Germany say that to Germans from other parts of Germany. Germany still lost the war though.

Which war?

Khestra the Unbeheld wrote:

Ketara wrote:I'm sure Germans from one part of Germany say that to Germans from other parts of Germany. Germany still lost the war though.

Which war?

The World War V.18.12, of course! When the Germans invaded Sri Lanka but were counter invaded by Lesotho. Even though the Germans won plenty of beach front property, they lost a few holdings in the diamond industry. So, whether they won or not is a matter of perspective.

Y'know, this reminds me of the time an American tried to convince me they won Vietnam. Sorry boys, but I ain't buying today.

Vietnam is a touchy issue that has traumatized an entire generation of Americans. I know a guy who was taught that they won Nam but they didn't teach him who Stalin, Oswald or Churchill were.

Ketara wrote:Y'know, this reminds me of the time an American tried to convince me they won Vietnam. Sorry boys, but I ain't buying today.

That's funny actually, because I think that whole argument (whether we won or not) is a joke. If you keep score by body count and tactical engagements, we did win. However, in the end they took there country away from us. Tactical victories became irrelevant. We still left. I always laugh when someone starts on their, "We won every military engagement in Vietnam" argument. Its a clear case of denial. We were going against so many of SunTzu's tenets as soon as we stepped foot in that country it is actually a surprise we lasted so long.

Ketara wrote:Y'know, this reminds me of the time an American tried to convince me they won Vietnam. Sorry boys, but I ain't buying today.

It seems like Vietnam was quite a bit like the American Revolution, actually. Huge nation with impressive, well trained army, going against politically-inspired guerrilla forces that know the land, and are backed up by a powerful enemy of the first force. Huge nation wins most major engagements, is still unable to win the war on account of its expense and lack of popular support.

(We probably should have thought of that before going.)

All i know is that the Americans managed to capture King Kong and that should be worth a day of celebration in any Countries eyes.

athba wrote:All i know is that the Americans managed to capture King Kong and that should be worth a day of celebration in any Countries eyes.

THANK YOU.

athba wrote:All i know is that the Americans managed to capture King Kong and that should be worth a day of celebration in any Countries eyes.

I have three thoughts on this...

1.) But the zombies over ran our asses.

2.) It was a short lived capture and in the end it was beauty that killed the beast.

3.) No one ever got the best of Gojira. You kill him and he just keeps coming back stronger. Poor Japan.

athba wrote:All i know is that the Americans managed to capture King Kong and that should be worth a day of celebration in any Countries eyes.

It would be worth celebrating if IT DIDN'T ESCAPE AND WENT ON A RAMPAGE THROUGH NEW YORK.

It was a large uneducated primate in love - what else do you expect!!

athba wrote:It was a large uneducated primate in love - what else do you expect!!

That its captors showed a bit more common sense and understanding. Damn you Jack Black! Damn you!


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Back on topic, happy belated fourth of July:

Now Jurassic Park - I believe that was an Anglo - American invention, something we both should be very proud of.

btw. the BBC link in original post mentioned ice cubes - it really is true and made laugh a lot.

BrookM wrote:That its captors showed a bit more common sense and understanding. Damn you Jack Black! Damn you!

Jack Black was in that? Oh, right! I had blocked that pile of Gorilla dung from my memory, thanks for reminding me of that crappy version. Honestly I'd rather watch Charles Grodin, Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lange run around again then sit through that Peter Jackson pile.

BrookM wrote:Back on topic, happy belated fourth of July:

That image is fantastic!

GoFenris wrote:

BrookM wrote:That its captors showed a bit more common sense and understanding. Damn you Jack Black! Damn you!

Jack Black was in that? Oh, right! I had blocked that pile of Gorilla dung from my memory, thanks for reminding me of that crappy version. Honestly I'd rather watch Charles Grodin, Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lange run around again then sit through that Peter Jackson pile.

......Who now?

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, this reminds me of the time an American tried to convince me they won Vietnam. Sorry boys, but I ain't buying today.

It seems like Vietnam was quite a bit like the American Revolution, actually. Huge nation with impressive, well trained army, going against politically-inspired guerrilla forces that know the land, and are backed up by a powerful enemy of the first force. Huge nation wins most major engagements, is still unable to win the war on account of its expense and lack of popular support.

(We probably should have thought of that before going.)

The British army was at a low ebb in the 1770s-80s, actually, compared to the 1750s-60s and 1800s.

The NVA was a veteran force with an excellent record against the Japanese in WW2 and the colonial French in the 50s.

However, if you look at Vietnam now, it is pursuing a capitalist agenda much the same way as Red China. It's pretty clear that the communist ideals which inspired the NVA victory have failed.

Kilkrazy wrote:The British army was at a low ebb in the 1770s-80s, actually, compared to the 1750s-60s and 1800s.

But was it still better trained and maintained than the American militias? I would have to think so.

The NVA was a veteran force with an excellent record against the Japanese in WW2 and the colonial French in the 50s.

Yes, but a large part of America's defeat in the south was due to the Vietcong. However, I may have simplified it too much with "well trained". I probably should have said "well supported", as it was things like air power and artillery that gave America a lot of their edge in that war. (And naval superiority helped the British out quite a bit, until France evened it out.)

However, if you look at Vietnam now, it is pursuing a capitalist agenda much the same way as Red China. It's pretty clear that the communist ideals which inspired the NVA victory have failed.

Yep. It didn't turn out particularly similar in the end.

.........Anyway back to King Kong - keep this on thread please!

athba wrote:.........Anyway back to King Kong - keep this on thread please!

This thread has barely been on topic at all! What is the topic anyway? Good nature-ed ribbing back and forth across the pond?

Anyway, I prefer the old RKO version of King Kong the best, Ah yeah!!!

This thread has barely been on topic at all! What is the topic anyway? Good nature-ed ribbing back and forth across the pond?

Just prefer it to be more light-hearted and not so much about war.

No arguments from me there.

GoFenris wrote:

Ketara wrote:Y'know, this reminds me of the time an American tried to convince me they won Vietnam. Sorry boys, but I ain't buying today.

That's funny actually, because I think that whole argument (whether we won or not) is a joke. If you keep score by body count and tactical engagements, we did win. However, in the end they took there country away from us. Tactical victories became irrelevant. We still left. I always laugh when someone starts on their, "We won every military engagement in Vietnam" argument. Its a clear case of denial. We were going against so many of SunTzu's tenets as soon as we stepped foot in that country it is actually a surprise we lasted so long.

We definitely lost Vietnam. That'll teach us to keep trying to save France's arse repeatedly.

Ketara wrote:I'm sure Germans from one part of Germany say that to Germans from other parts of Germany. Germany still lost the war though.

Why should we? We never kicked ass around New Orleans, IIRC.

Thor665 wrote:

Salad_Fingers wrote:Though whenever an American does talk about kicking our ass back them i feel the need to mention... 1812

America lost the War of 1812? I'll have to readjust all history books I've read on the subject, definitely.

I wouldn't call having the White House burned a major victory.

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Stop motion King Kong was and always shall be, the King.

Hail to the King baby!