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Wolfstan wrote:That's the store I want to visit!!!

"Hi! I know you're working and all right now... but I find you very attractive. I was wondering if you'd like to go get a cup of coffee or something after work?"

"Dude! I'm a guy!!!!"

"Ah! Oh. Umm... My bad. Sorry." (pause) "...So, uh, anyway, about that coffee..."

Eeeew.


Eric

Some dude with some cash is gonna get real smart and open a store with women only and double the prices..

smart_alex wrote:I think its pretty much established that chicks just dont like cool things. They do not really have hobbies. I often wonder what goes on in their heads. Girls do not really have things that they like to do. Unless it involves some pointless fitness/spirituallity thing like yoga or counseling. That is why they are never around cool things like warhammer.

Pardon me while I pick up my jaw. I seem to have laughed it right off.

I'm a gamer, I'm female, and up until college, I never gamed with guys unless they were the boyfriends of someone in my all-female group. We did tabletop RPGs, with minis, which led to my love of painting.

All of my exes have been gamers, or became so very quickly. My ex-husband and I met through Call of Cthulhu, and when we divorced we split our geekery as fairly as we could (he got the Space Marines and I got the Orks, he got the 360 but I got any the games I wanted). We still get on well, and he's asked me to help him build some drop pods in a few weeks.

So, yes, female gamers do exist. Female wargamers do exist. And we're pretty awesome.

nivekdaork wrote:Some dude with some cash is gonna get real smart and open a store with women only and double the prices..

Hmmm, something like a gaming version of a juicy bar might work. Gamers can use the facility to paint their figures, and pay extra for a "hostess" to sit next to them/on their lap/etc. and chat them up about wargaming/encourage them to buy stuff.

Finding talent willing to become knowledgeable enough about minis to hold a decent conversation is the hard part.

Demeaning comments (as a joke or otherwise) about gender and/or race will not be tolerated on Dakka. The only reason that Smart Alex's comments have been left is because I feel that 'Memory' has done such a good job pointing out how ludicrous they are.

Anyone who continues to post demeaning comments will be suspended.

Came across this chart to explain why some of you may be searching for love.




Some ladies love the gaming. Some not so much. Most will be tolerant and supportive to a degree. Female employees in GW stores or other classicly male dominated areas is to be celebrated.

BrookM wrote:The Amsterdam store used to have a girly red shirt aeons ago. She was a big nutter alright,

I'm not a girl.....


I've met a few female staffers- very nice people- and well used to the "jaw dropped" look from people

The Dark Elf (Eldar for today) hottie on the left is probably my favorite GW female sculpt for a handful of reasons;

1. She is wearing fishnet stockings - and fishnet stockings are hot.
2. She has a bare midriff - and bare midriffs are hot.
3. She has Dark Elf boobies and...well, you get the gist.

Posts like these are probably why there aren't more female gamers in the hobby.

yakface wrote:
Demeaning comments (as a joke or otherwise) about gender and/or race will not be tolerated on Dakka. The only reason that Smart Alex's comments have been left is because I feel that 'Memory' has done such a good job pointing out how ludicrous they are.

Anyone who continues to post demeaning comments will be suspended.

I'm gonna put my balls on the wall here.....and yes, I feel like a rather giddy Luke Skywalker as he back talks the Emporer!....we all know how that ended don't we....Vader lost his life, and Luke can charge light bulbs by licking his fingers and holding the ends!

I read Smart Alex's comments, and I don't see how they fall into an offending catagory! I get the impression that he's making an observation based on his experience of females and what he classes as cool hobbies.....

On the flip side, Memory openly hints at having a (determined!) all female group, and only includes men if they are invited by being a "partner" of one of the members!!! To me, this is openly sexist, and massively against what the whole ethos of wargaming is about! If anyone has played the "sex" card it was Memory, by hinting at an exclusive atmosphere based on gender, rather than character or playing ability!

As an aside, my wife "plays" Capoeira, which she got into based on her own interests....I'd class that as a very cool sport/martial art, her getting into it had nothing to do with me, as I don't do it!! So women can and do involve themselves in cool hobbies and past-times.....to each their own!

lol - the very fact that this thread exists is a sad indictment on war gamers. Is it any wonder Memory's all-girl group existed? Be honest - how many of you had the initial thought of 'all-girl gaming group... that's pretty sexy!'?

Exactly.

Being a kid and all I have a Mother. And, in her attempts to keep 'in' and 'happening' (which sometimes can be fun mind you) she tried to get me to play a game of 40k with her. Knowing that saying no would crush her utterly, I said yes.
She whooped my ass in a well played 1000 pt game.

Ha!
lol lol

Yes, this thread is confusing. And why can't you people see that female wargamers is like male horse riders. There is nothing wrong at all and I'm not saying horsriding is for girls it's just that most guys don't like it.

Kyley wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

BrookM wrote:The Amsterdam store used to have a girly red shirt aeons ago. She was a big nutter alright, trying to tell my dad that I needed to stop doing Guard and instead get Orks.

Is that her picture you have as avatar? Is that your girlfriend? Do you know the girl in your picture? Are you the girl in your avatar?


....

Whenever Brook posts, I always wonder that...but I never asked.

-Kyley

I have a penis and you twits lack a brain, I'm just as smelly and loud as you, I can't be a grrrl!

Wait, imagine I'm the girl but with a BIG flaccid garden hose flopping between the legs.

@ BrookM

Why oh why would you have a female Avatar when you are in fact a male.....what are you trying to say?

Note: To those not versed in the art of irony, I am joking, as indeed I am also a male, and not a female Vampire....with Red Hair and a generous cleavage!

Delephont wrote:@ BrookM

Why oh why would you have a female Avatar when you are in fact a male.....what are you trying to say?

Note: To those not versed in the art of irony, I am joking, as indeed I am also a male, and not a female Vampire....with Red Hair and a generous cleavage!

In both our cases, Ackbar is somewhere around?

Delephont wrote:On the flip side, Memory openly hints at having a (determined!) all female group, and only includes men if they are invited by being a "partner" of one of the members!!! To me, this is openly sexist, and massively against what the whole ethos of wargaming is about! If anyone has played the "sex" card it was Memory, by hinting at an exclusive atmosphere based on gender, rather than character or playing ability!

Haha, nah, I should have been clearer. My first gaming group was all-female, because the majority of my friends were female, and that's who introduced me to gaming. Being as that was in high school, whenever someone in the group did partner up, we quickly invited them to the games, but there was about a 50/50 shot of them actually joining for any length of time.

Once I got into college, most of my friends were partnered or married, so my gaming groups were pretty evenly split along gender lines.

I would love there to be a woman staffer at the newcastle GW! id go in more!

actually i'm rather frightend of GW. The men in there are less then skilled at "oggling" discretely...i actually turned round and walked into a bloke behind me who was POINTING yes POINTING at my bum...lucky for me he almost died of embarrasment, made the whole thing funny. I got my burnt grass and got outa there...:p

BrookM wrote:

Kyley wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

BrookM wrote:The Amsterdam store used to have a girly red shirt aeons ago. She was a big nutter alright, trying to tell my dad that I needed to stop doing Guard and instead get Orks.

Is that her picture you have as avatar? Is that your girlfriend? Do you know the girl in your picture? Are you the girl in your avatar?


....

Whenever Brook posts, I always wonder that...but I never asked.

-Kyley

I have a penis and you twits lack a brain, I'm just as smelly and loud as you, I can't be a grrrl!

Wait, imagine I'm the girl but with a BIG flaccid garden hose flopping between the legs.

Dude, you told me months ago you keep getting those comments pm'd to you, I put a smiley on the end of my message...



it

was

a

joke.

Memory wrote:

smart_alex wrote:I think its pretty much established that chicks just dont like cool things. They do not really have hobbies. I often wonder what goes on in their heads. Girls do not really have things that they like to do. Unless it involves some pointless fitness/spirituallity thing like yoga or counseling. That is why they are never around cool things like warhammer.

Pardon me while I pick up my jaw. I seem to have laughed it right off.

I'm a gamer, I'm female, and up until college, I never gamed with guys unless they were the boyfriends of someone in my all-female group. We did tabletop RPGs, with minis, which led to my love of painting.

All of my exes have been gamers, or became so very quickly. My ex-husband and I met through Call of Cthulhu, and when we divorced we split our geekery as fairly as we could (he got the Space Marines and I got the Orks, he got the 360 but I got any the games I wanted). We still get on well, and he's asked me to help him build some drop pods in a few weeks.

So, yes, female gamers do exist. Female wargamers do exist. And we're pretty awesome.

And we kick a$$.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Kyley wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

BrookM wrote:The Amsterdam store used to have a girly red shirt aeons ago. She was a big nutter alright, trying to tell my dad that I needed to stop doing Guard and instead get Orks.

Is that her picture you have as avatar? Is that your girlfriend? Do you know the girl in your picture? Are you the girl in your avatar?


....

Whenever Brook posts, I always wonder that...but I never asked.

-Kyley

I have a penis and you twits lack a brain, I'm just as smelly and loud as you, I can't be a grrrl!

Wait, imagine I'm the girl but with a BIG flaccid garden hose flopping between the legs.

Dude, you told me months ago you keep getting those comments pm'd to you, I put a smiley on the end of my message...



it

was

a

joke.

I know, I appear to have forgotten a smiley of my own. Here's a belated one along with a swift apology.

Oh well, all's forgiven, how could I stay mad at that pretty face and those full, pouting lips...





/smirk

Let's powerhug, you know I can't resist such a big bushy beard and that manic gleam in your eyes!

Anyway, I think that a GW store somehow has these invisible negative vibes that makes grrrls feel unwelcome. And that's before you add in the clientèle and staff.

I went in to get some primer and the prat behind the till said "Bag"

I responded "Do I want one or are you calling me one?"

Miss Dee wrote:I went in to get some primer and the prat behind the till said "Bag"

I responded "Do I want one or are you calling me one?"

I lol'd...I hate rude staff, anywhere. I always go out of my way to make them feel bad if they are a 'D-bag'.



All these sexist accusations going around ... "Well, so what? What's wrong with bein' sexy?" - Nigel Tufnel

Miss Dee wrote:I went in to get some primer and the prat behind the till said "Bag"

I responded "Do I want one or are you calling me one?"

Is that what he said or was it 'bag?'

If you know he was trying to be funny at your expense, complain to the management.

BrookM wrote:Let's powerhug, you know I can't resist such a big bushy beard and that manic gleam in your eyes!

/pats knee...

What GW stores need is several staff courses in proper etiquette and plenty of ADHD meds as well. Hmm, maybe chemical castration while we're at it. Let's bring back good people to staff these stores.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:/pats knee...

You're the uncle I've always wanted..

I think a 2'x4' works better.

Or we could ask good ol' Frazz to make a few house calls.

I figure girls in game stores tend to get the same sort of looks I got in AC Moore when I spent an hour or so trying to figure out of those "Kricut" things in the scrap booking section would cut styrene. Sort of the "He is too ugly to be gay, but why is he here? Is it a trap?" Granted, it might have been the aura of trying to kill the packaging designers with my brain I was giving off, but of the women that did say hi, most were approaching me like an Animal Planet star approaches a wounded leopard.

However guys, there is hope! (Just not in the scrapbooking aisle). There was/is a rather cute redshirt at the Franklin Mills GW who got me in a fair bit of trouble with my then fiance. You see, if you don't get all sweaty and mumbly, she was quite happy to make small talk and mention how much she likes the Witch Hunter's line and ask how your painting is going. Enough so that upon leaving the store, my fiance peppered me with the "Where do you know her from? Why was she talking to you!?" sort of questions. (Though Pro Tip: The correct answer is not "What, afraid I am going to trade you in for a gamer girl with better grammar?")

statement of opinion
As an aside, tact and diction not withstanding, Smart_Alex does have a bit of a point. Memory and crew are a rare and wonderful thing: a girl with full fledged hobbies, and more, hobbies that guys also like. Many women just don't seem to have the obsessive drive that men have when it comes to the concept of hobbies. Those they do have tend to be much less social than even wargaming, such as the various cloth/yarnwork fields and gardening, and tend to be more generalized (i.e. they dabble more.) I suspect that those two tendancies (which are not universal of course) tend to make it seem that women have zero hobbies, as you rarely see them practice them in groups, and they rarely become the type that spends every spare second on them.
In fact, it might be said that many men have hobbies that focus on social aspects, while women socialize as a past time and have hobbies as something to do outside of that.
I could also be completely wrong. I often forget that I am a strange minority in the human family Still, it seems likely that women and men do generally like different sorts of things for different reasons, and those are worth talking about if you want to get your S/O into your war gaming or gardening or something.
/statement of opinion