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Any chance for more soul drinker stuff? Possibly just a plain chalice symbol on its own? (would like some Chalice on me Drop Pods )

Buttlerthepug wrote:Any chance for more soul drinker stuff? Possibly just a plain chalice symbol on its own? (would like some Chalice on me Drop Pods )

Yes, Im hounding my sculpting team for icons now, even a good chance of a Rhino kit as well.

Chapterhouse wrote:

Buttlerthepug wrote:Any chance for more soul drinker stuff? Possibly just a plain chalice symbol on its own? (would like some Chalice on me Drop Pods )

Yes, Im hounding my sculpting team for icons now, even a good chance of a Rhino kit as well.

Sounds awsome! Already need to pick up a bunch of your shoulders... now I got to spend more money...

Chapterhouse wrote:
To make it even funnier, Bolter and Chainsword, obviously payed for by GW (yes I think GW pays the owner, how else could they use IP like Bolter and Chainsword in thier title and run the site with no advertising income) pretty much banned my sculptor for showing, not selling, our products in developement. They did not email him or even warn him. Just banned. There was no offer to sell, just a Work in Progress thread to get critiques and show off his skills.

S'alright, Nick, Ol Chap.

You've always got Dakka and Bartertown!

Eric

I'm not sure if it's required to postulate that far, certain fansites are excessively terrified of GW and will do whatever it takes to avert their imagined wrath. 40k Online and B&C have always been poster children for this.

Lol, all points towards that those hypocrites make money of GW themselves. Then the have the nerve to ban people for showing greens all according to their own rules. no wonder they dont even dare answering emails about it

Ok. I am pleading you. No, more like begging you. Please make iron hand shoulder pads. I would pay out da wazzoo for some. We are so under appreciated!
-sobs-
I love your work though. The salamander stuff makes me want to play as them! You make a brother proud!

Dont worry, I have came up with IH storm shield concepts and there will be shoulderpads as well and maybe even a thunderhammer and rhino kit but it takes time, I´m just one guy with a regular job next to my hobby.
The only issue is coming up with enough original icons that would please "machine loving" players out there. Right now I´m thinking cog-crenulations, iron gauntlets and crossed wrenches.

I can tell you that GW does not own, nor does it pay for anything to do with the Bolter and Chainsword. And neither Bolter, or Chainsword, are trademarked by GW.

I would need a little more then your word for it because by the way they act it really shines through.
Its not the issue with "bolter" and "chainsword" being trademarked by GW or not, its the hypocricy that the BnC beats down against their own rules on people "daring" to show greenstuff pictures that CAN be used in GWs games while themselves using clear GW art (bolter and chainsword) PLUS asking people for money to upkeep it all while in the background making a big investment of it.
Its low, disgusting, hypocritical and speaks volumes of the rotten core that is the BnC and I laugh at their attempts to silence it down under the rug.

That Iron Snake front would also be fun for Alpha Legion Players, I'd think. As for Iron Hand Players, I'd think that having cog or tech doors would appeal to both them and also Iron Warriors players.

I´m doing a second version of the snake front but this time but with a dragon head instead. It could fit "evil" dragon armies as well as salamander armies.

Games Workshop does not sell any Iron Hands shoulder Pads that I know of. If they do, please send me a link. I have been looking for some time now. I think you might be confusing the Iron Hands with the Iron warriors, ChapterHouse. But, I would be very interested in some Cog shoulder pads, doors or even decals. Adeptus Mechanicus Pads and doors would be very nice as well. I do understand that you are busy at the moment. But if you ever get around to any of these things, please let me know! I would be more than willing to buy.

I have sculpted more template shoulderpads to use as "canvas" in pad creation. Those should if all goes well be made available to me in 2-3 weeks. It will definately decrease sculpting time on pads since I will no longer have to spend time on doing the very pad foundations from scratch every time, having them cast in resin and then combining them with the sculpted icons. This is what made pad sculpting so slow.

As for pads that would go well with "Iron Hand" and other "steampunk" armies:
People, if you want those to come out faster you NEED to help out by sending in ideas and suggestions, sometimes a project is on hold a really long time simply becasue I am stuch with ideas and cant come up with something "cool" enough. I´m a lone guy and not a team of paid professionals that come up with concepts all days long
Just remember, the ideas need to be original and not GW copies...we dont want the poor BnC mods to sweat in their seats trying to delete and silence every thread showing our stuff now do we, it would not be taken well by their GW masters.

Any chance for more soul drinker stuff? Possibly just a plain chalice symbol on its own? (would like some Chalice on me Drop Pods )

I´m working on a chalice themed rhino. As for a standalone icon, why not but only when I get time over for it. Right now I´m bogged down with the chalice front plate trying to figure a way to make a chalice from a pair of folded wings.
It might be a disaster or it might actually look really nice when finished, at this moment I dont know.

As for the standalone icons being worked on the most right now are my own "iron wolves" creation.

As said, these things take time, this is not my main job (for now at least) and I´m one guy having to come up with all the ideas so these things take time.

Hi Tom (Pyriel) .. Nick ... As the owner of the B&C and the person who pays for it out of his own pocket (with no advertising as you commented), I find it almost laughable that you need to go to such lengths to critique the B&C. Looks like somehow we touched a nerve for you guys!

Obviously Games Workshop don't "pay" for the B&C, nor have I escaped the gaze of their legal team who tried to shut down the Space Marine Painter I wrote. Its almost comedic that you would say that really, given the hassle they gave me for the painter, however I am sure GW Legal have sent letters to you and will do again, good luck with that

Anyway moving on you guys were banned because you broke the rules over on the B&C, nuff said really. I understand that frustrates you, but we really don't let people try and sell stuff via our board (hence no advertising).

I had to pop in as I got so many people telling me about this thread I had to come take a look at the "B&C Hate", as a long time Dakka Member I wish you guys good luck here, its a great board and as you can see I do post here quite a bit, so I look forward to seeing you around.

Anyway back on topic, love the sculpting Tom, very talented work, you should try for a job at GW perhaps?

Brother Argos
Bolter & Chainsword Owner.

p.s. For the record, I am the Managing Director of a profitable computer business, which is how I can afford to pay for the B&C but that doesn't sound half as much fun as being a super secret spy fronting for Games Workshop special covert legal operations does it now? .. hmmm but as a covert super secret spy I would say that wouldn't I

Thanks for the thread hijack.

Instead of trying to defend yourself in our thread, how about you start one on BnC, and let us post on it? Instead of completely locking out my account with no previous warning or emails.

The simple matter is this, rather then explain yourself on BnC, or even moderate and edit a post that supposedly was a for sale post (how it is, I dont know since it was all Works in Progress showing greens and asking for critiques) you and your moderators deemed to arbitrarily delete the threads and then ban our accounts. According to your rules, you go by a strike system, funny I did not even get a warning or a reason on why the threads were deleted and what rules we broke.

You choose not to explain your actions and act very much like a GW Legal representative, so what do you expect? Your board in my experience has a very fascist moderating and admin team who rather then explain thier actions, locks accounts and deletes threads.

It readily appears you are doing Games Workshops work for them by eliminating any mention of a viable bits competitor, does it not?
The only thing we ever did on your site in a way of "advertising" was putting our link on the bottom of our signature, which according to your rules, is completely ok.

I did email your admin as soon as my account was locked, as I got no reason or any PM but they must be on a mighty high perch since I never got a reply back.

Simple, but I doubt very much you would like to have to explain yourself on BnC, or your actions..

Why don't you post our original Works in Progress threads and lock them and ask your general membership if they looked like another "Works in Progress" thread or an actual for sale thread, a poll would be nice.

Obviously we really did touch a raw nerve, chill Nick ... enjoy your time on Dakka

"You act very much like Gw Legal" ... I have got to put that in a Sig sometime ... its a classic!

Although my favourite has to be the Facist thing, really ... its all about a game of toy soldiers Nick, what do you think we are going to do ... invade toy Poland?

Tell you what, next time your in London drop me a line, we can kick back, have a beer and a game


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However ... as this is your thread we should stop now, and let you get on with selling stuff

A WIP - can be a gateway/method for indirect/social network IM (internet marketting) via pm sales/ product recognition.

B&C has their ways of running advertising & sales of product whether indirect or direct.
And it was their call..

Every place has their own rules on how things are run.
and..... owners of those places can do however they see fit...
even above established rules.

The most common misconception
Access to anyone's site is a privilege not a right

It is just how it is....

There doesn't seem to be a denial that the Chapterhouse guys were shut down fast, without the due process they normally give posters.

It's certainly their right to ban whomever they want for whatever reason, but there is still value in showing when/where an authority acts solely at their own discretion.

Pointing out when the emperor is really naked is fun. Sure, he's still an emperor, but we can still mock his genitalia

Good points all around, back to the regularly scheduled upcoming releases

Hi Tom (Pyriel) .. Nick ... As the owner of the B&C and the person who pays for it out of his own pocket (with no advertising as you commented), I find it almost laughable that you need to go to such lengths to critique the B&C. Looks like somehow we touched a nerve for you guys!

Obviously Games Workshop don't "pay" for the B&C, nor have I escaped the gaze of their legal team who tried to shut down the Space Marine Painter I wrote. Its almost comedic that you would say that really, given the hassle they gave me for the painter, however I am sure GW Legal have sent letters to you and will do again, good luck with that

Anyway moving on you guys were banned because you broke the rules over on the B&C, nuff said really. I understand that frustrates you, but we really don't let people try and sell stuff via our board (hence no advertising).

I had to pop in as I got so many people telling me about this thread I had to come take a look at the "B&C Hate", as a long time Dakka Member I wish you guys good luck here, its a great board and as you can see I do post here quite a bit, so I look forward to seeing you around.

Anyway back on topic, love the sculpting Tom, very talented work, you should try for a job at GW perhaps?

Brother Argos
Bolter & Chainsword Owner.

p.s. For the record, I am the Managing Director of a profitable computer business, which is how I can afford to pay for the B&C but that doesn't sound half as much fun as being a super secret spy fronting for Games Workshop special covert legal operations does it now? .. hmmm but as a covert super secret spy I would say that wouldn't I

Oh hi Argos (David).
After all the PM and email stonewalling from BnC I figured I post a bit nerve touching things in here to finally get a word with you and lo and behold, to my astonishment it actually worked (and people say I have a knack for the manipulative side, hehe).

So what gives, lets take it in here then rather then in BnC if you wish.

Yes you are right, you really touched a nerve there. I am least to say upset about the double standards the BnC has shown, getting booted of without even a PM for daring to show a green and helping a fellow sculptor out (no ads, no sales talk etc on my part) touched a nerve that is true. Surprised?

The things you say to and about me on your board about ripping GWs IP of and making money of them is laughable when you do so yourself using GW IP in the boards name and arts and that is not even a straight out comparison since I dont use direct GW IP contrary to you. The painter on BnC uses GW IP in a far more "illegal" way then any art copy of GW art transferred to greenstuff. Congratulations on wringling out of the GW legal trap on that one but then please dont preach to me that I´m doing "bad" things with GW IP since well, you know, stones and glass houses and all that.
Maybe you are not the GW secret spy but wrangling out of that calls for some high friends at the GW drinking bar at the least, that is if you dont want to mix in money into the equation.

We dont make money of GWs IP or rip them of as you said, any more then GW "rip" of Tolkien, Moorcock and Lucas and make money based of their IP and popularity crowd. The BnC itself using GW terminology to draw people in (and be a huge advertising boost to GW themselves) is different in exactly what way?
Dont say the difference is you dont make money of GW´s IP since the very same IP is what is alloweing your board/investment to grow and rise in value.
And those bolter and chainsword t-shirts and dice etc etc?
If I sold GW shoulderpad or chapterhouse T-shirts etc wouldnt you be the first to call me out as ripping GW IP of?

But here I am, posting a greenstuff picture, being previously called out to make money of GWs IP and funny enough booted of the site for showing a green, thats all, showing a green.
What happens next, will the BnC start banning people for showing of painted models using my sculpts on them answering questions about them that they bought them from CH?
That if anything is advertising.

What nerve did I touch with you David, was it you thinking I´m a bad person that dares to do the same thing that GW or you yourself do albeit in a different shape, was it an angry email from GW or was it just you thinking some my sculpts are ugly (nothing new here)? Because whatever it was it sure as hell wasnt me doing advertising.
I´m sure the BnC mods are going to bring out some old fight which I was a part of to excuse this "later" ban, I dont care and quite frankly its so blatantly transparent that I am amazed to find it more amusing then pissing of and I am known for being easily pissed of

If you had such a problem with my greens pictures taking them for advertising despite nothing close to that being written by me (I helped out a sculptor with problems) as I am sure you saw the pics as that, why didnt you simply PM me about it rather then hiding behind proxy mods and go with a boot and then have the mods hide under the rug not even answering an email?
If that was such an issue I would have been more then happy to basically stop posting any "green" pictures what so ever.
Or was it the mistake that I posted the picture in Nicks thread where Nick used a banner picture about the site? Ok if so then my mistake, funny that you collateral ban people you dont agree with then. Besides having a banner like Nick has is not forbidden by the BnC rules.

Maybe it was Phal banon (think his nick is) who mentioned the forbidden "sale" word in Nicks post that threw you in a fit of collateral banning?
You might want to PM Phal since as soon as I saw his "sales" reply I PMed him telling him to not write any references to selling things since that goes against the BnC rules!
THAT´S how I follow them and THAT´S how non advertising I am so yes you hit a nerve by banning me based on a lie.
That if anything tells me I was the one hitting a very big nerve with you rather then you hitting a nerve with me!

What pisses me of is you laughing this of instead of mending it and hiding behind Nicks word usage. Answering with a "Fascists, thats funny" to his questions instead of admitting I was banned for invented reasons is childish, embarrassing and quite frankly as far from you as I thought it would be.



Now days the BnC has lost its magical touch, at least for me personally, gone are the passionate fights and arguments I was used to have about valid topics despite trying out a few to see if the fire was still there.
Now days the BnC is about 20 000 new kids all asking the same questions over and over again, how old is a space marine, how big is a boltgun etc etc.
Now I only ever use(d) the BnC as a friends contact site to keep up with old fellow hobbyists and online friends and to show and help out the fellow sculptor/painter now and then, nothing more!
So this sudden ban didnt produce anything but annoy me of and make a bunch of my friends unhappy since I hardly ever talk to or show my work on any other site out of old habits sake.

Congratulations on a biased ban and to handling it all so "mature", that rocked me and my belief in the BnC.



So you had GW legal trouble, well with the blatant usage of direct GW IP in both software as well as board art and terminology and all that for "free", well, it makes me smile...
Yes GW legal sent letters to us too but those were far from "legal" and had my lawyer almost laugh his behind out of his chair when he read a copy of them. Corporate thugging and "demanding" might work on 14 year old hobbyists but the funny thing is how did it work on you when GW had substantial IP copying and usage to call you out in their letters?
Hmm...if you paid, are paid, have a mutual deal or simply great amountof luck doesnt interest me, congratulations to a very nice deal and hope it continue to be profitable for you.

However what is rather insulting is you accusing me of making money of GW IP, being illegal etc all while I work my behind of and pour significant amounts of money into a legal system to make sure everything is 100% legal and correct. That this doesnt always concur with GWs legal policy page (read, not the true legals) is irrelevant to say the least.
You are actually the last person that has the right to be upset, amused or surprised that I called you out on making money on GW in return. What goes around comes around.



I broke the BnC rules and was banned for it, "nuff said"? Allow me to laugh David!
That is a blatant lie and the really funny thing is that both I and you know it so please dont insult my intellect and just drop that approach.
I never ever advertised, I never ever mentioned selling things nor did I ever link to any site that sells my stuff.
Heck if I would want to even subtly advertise my things on the BnC I´d get a banner under my sig like Nick did, all allowed under your BnC rules.

I know from your past words that you personally hate what I do (ripping of GW IP...pot calling kettle), dont like my "sallie" sculpts and dont even deign to answer PMs from me even when I asked you about your personal opinion on sculpting issues and seeked a way for us to "make piece".
What you did banning me over a blatant lie like this is as I said, low and hypocritical and it reeks of GW bias at worst or your dislike of what I do at best.

You (plus donations) pay the BnC site out of your own (and others) pockets, ok if you say so (not that it matters to you if I say I am doing a legal business myself), all logics however point to quite the contrary.
The "upkeep" makes for quite some investment:
http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.bolterandchainsword.com
Plus I bet the 45% of on all GW toys are thrown in the bargain.

Congratulations to some money well made on GW´s IP David and good luck making even more in the future, after all money and hobby together is the best of things.
but please dont stoop so low as to call me out on making money of GW and banning me for an invented advertising that I never did, that is laughable and really doesnt suit you from what I know of you from chats past.
The BnC is one gigantic free GW advertising neon bright sign, the eventual trouble you had with your guys at GW were surely more for show then serious or you would have been sued for using actual direct GW IP in a money/investment making way.

Yes and I still remember that day when the BnC crashed and you rushed headlong back to the UK from a vacation in Spain with family to as quickly as possible repair the damage and get the BnC site back up.
Naturally you were hailed as a living santa clause by the not knowing better community but it takes a blind fool not to see a person doesnt abandon a vacation in Spain with family to cut a few days of a board crash and get it back online unless there are money involved in it.
I cant recall any instance when the FoN or SB sites had their owners or us admins abandon all they were doing to "save" a couple extra days of surfing fun for some hobbyists around the globe. You must be the kindest person on this planet...which kinda doesnt make sense with you banning me for something I never did in the first place.

You must surely have confused me with my friend Nick why actually HAD an advertising banner under his name on the BnC and on occasion posted a bit to "provoking" threads but no, my and his accounts are not the same so do it right and do it again and please drop the you were banned because you advertised or at least incluse a new BnC rule of colateral banning if one person tresspasses.
To bad you never did as your mods preach and used the PM function with me to solve an irritating issue without polluting the board but then again why should you when you can simply make whole threads vanish and then refuse to reply to emailed questions.

Although my favourite has to be the Facist thing, really ... its all about a game of toy soldiers Nick, what do you think we are going to do ... invade toy Poland?

Strange, I thought it was about a site that acts as a pretty big future monetary investment and doesnt allow any "unwanted" persons on it and invents reasons to ban them but hey, the toy soldier part of the hobby is darn fun.

Tell you what, next time your in London drop me a line, we can kick back, have a beer and a game

If you really meant that why didnt you have a serious discussion in a PM or online with Nick rather then invent a rule breakage (on my part) and delete it and then stonwall it?
for crying out, it took me to post these things in here to even get an acknowledge from you (forced you out) and even then all you do is avoid the issue of my and Nicks banning like a politician avoids
raised taxation issues.
And no, "nuff said" is not an argument.


But I´ll take you up on your offer and even write about it after wards in here.
Next time I´m in the UK I´ll drop you a line, I think it would be kinda fun to have a beer and a game, best outcome we realize the other guy is not such a bad person after all, worst outcome, status quo.

Although I´d need some form of means to contact you, how on earth am I going to drop you a line about us having a beer when you never reply even to PMs sent on your very own board?
I cant even contact your admins and ask for a beer with you, they dont reply either the polite lot of them.
Do you use MSN? Skype? ICQ?
Please advise David!


Cheers.
Pyriel aka. Tom.

LOL at the hijacking comment. Since when is replying to accusations made by the thread originator is hijacking? If you don't want it responded to, don't post it in your thread. Duh!

Hmmm a solid wall of text ... but all I see is "Blah Blah Blah ..."

I learnt long ago not to argue on the net, no one ever wins apart from admins with banning powers!.

Enjoy yourselves on the rest of the net guys

Adios!

A moderator said:

It would be best if Chapterhouse and B&C took their argument against each other offline. Dakka is not the right venue for that kind of proceedings.

This thread has another purpose which is to discuss the Chapterhouse offerings.

In terms of IP and legal concerns, GW will no doubt knock on Chapterhouse's door if and when they have an arguable case. So that's another issue which doesn't need to be discussed in the thread.

Thank you.

Very cool stuffs, not for armies I play, but still cool stuffs.

Also, this thread did clear up some legal concerns I had about making my own sculpts and possibly selling them.

Those sculpts look fantastic.

I think all the legality of it is silly. If GW believed they could do something about it, they would. B&C's overly protective posture, is exactly why I think there is something seriously wrong. It is the sort of "fear" that GW's legal department wishes to impose on the hobby. Brother Argos, didn't deny the facist claim, I guess he's accepted reality.

This whole hobby is about creating unique yet derrivative works. Chapterhouse is just as protected from legal action when they make these sculpts and cast them as the guy who paints up an "Ultramarines" army and gets paid for it.

GW will always have the burden of proving that anyone who sells services or sculpts are doing something incongruous with the expectations of the hobby. GW has to ignore the precedents of the model building hobby that existed before while denying that it promotes the excercise of ones ability to create unique artistic works with its IP.

What people don't realize is that GW has granted everyone the right to do this type of work, by virtue of the fact that with out the implied consent, you would violate their IP just by assembling a model in a way other than it was intended, by painting it in a way other than it was intended, by replicating for ones self or for others the coloration and iconography of GW's IP. As these are all derivative artistic works, things without implicit consent we could all be sued for producing such works.

I would LOVE to have Brother Argos(David) give the facts and defend the actions of hisself and his moderating team(seeing as he has pretty much refused to do so), but I think it needs to be done elsewhere.

Sadly, seeing as he does remove any post from his forums that question his actions (he even removes any post that just mention Chapterhouse Studios), I dont see it happening where it needs to be done.

I roused up a beast on this issue by posting about my frustrations about "Bolter & Chainsword" and the hipocritcy shown there.

If you guys want to, I can start a new post on dakka regarding the issue, but can we attempt to move this post back into our upcoming items and the discussion about them?

aka_mythos wrote:What people don't realize is that GW has granted everyone the right to do this type of work, by virtue of the fact that with out the implied consent, you would violate their IP just by assembling a model in a way other than it was intended, by painting it in a way other than it was intended, by replicating for ones self or for others the coloration and iconography of GW's IP. As these are all derivative artistic works, things without implicit consent we could all be sued for producing such works.

But maybe that is what they intend? I mean, if I buy some space marines and don't assemble them according to the instructions (which clearly show the proper way to assemble them and even have little icons to denote which parts are optional) then perhaps I am violating GW's IP? I mean, they never gave me permission to assemble their IP in any other way, right? In which case I am only allowed to do so only through the beneficent sufferance of GW's legal department, and I should be grateful they don't sic their law dogs on me!

You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout. I'm telling you why. GW Legal is coming to town...

That was a bit of what I was getting out. You can assume GW has set a litigous trap or that they've given us implicit permission. Courts in general would frown upon the first, especially when GW is constantly giving us instructions in mixing and matching and sculpting new artistic pieces.

That said, Nick when are we likely to see some of those other Rhino/Predator add-ons I know Chapterhouse is working on?

However, GW also sell bits to customise their models, as well as sculpting tools and supplies. From this it can be understood that they expect or even want people to chop and change their model kits and even entirely alter tham with the green stuff and tools that they sell along side their model kits.

They sell parts which can be combined into models, but it does not, as far as I am aware, matter what you use them for once you have them (so long as you are not selling them on in some way as your own work etc I think).

I could build a remote control car with a shell made from Space Marine legs and Tau rifles without any problem if I really wanted to. Though I am not sure why I would want to

Persephone 66 wrote:Very cool stuffs, not for armies I play, but still cool stuffs.

Also, this thread did clear up some legal concerns I had about making my own sculpts and possibly selling them.

I would advise you not to rely on this thread for legal advice.

IP law is a minefield. Chapterhouse have made proper consultations.

I agree with Killkrazy... if you're going to do anything like this seek consultation. This thread gives you a general sense of things, but different countries have different laws and it can get sticky.

Yep, US law is a bit different then UK law (which is why a US lawyer laughed at a UK company trying to impose UK law).

I am actually paying for the designs this week from the designer, it will probably be a month until they are on the site (they still need to be "printed", shipped, then molded and produced).

Nick

BrotherArgos wrote:Obviously we really did touch a raw nerve, chill Nick ... enjoy your time on Dakka

"You act very much like Gw Legal" ... I have got to put that in a Sig sometime ... its a classic!

Although my favourite has to be the Facist thing, really ... its all about a game of toy soldiers Nick, what do you think we are going to do ... invade toy Poland?

Tell you what, next time your in London drop me a line, we can kick back, have a beer and a game


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However ... as this is your thread we should stop now, and let you get on with selling stuff

You still haven't responded to his complaints or answered his questions, and I don't think I'm the only one here who'd like it if you would.

I dont think we will get an upfront answer or explanation, and I hate to "pollute" dakka with a discussion that should be held on Bolter and Chainsword.
Sadly that will never happen as the "Bolter and Chainsword" moderators and owner refuse to let such a discussion happen out in public on that forum.

Neconilis wrote:You still haven't responded to his complaints or answered his questions, and I don't think I'm the only one here who'd like it if you would.

+1

Eric

It would be best if Chapterhouse and B&C took their argument against each other offline. Dakka is not the right venue for that kind of proceedings.

Ok then a new topic in the general section will be made. Poor little Argos is not weasling away that easy.
I cant see a general debate about the "alledged" hypocricy of the BnC be against any rules, should the owner keep running then let the public decide themselves.

Also, this thread did clear up some legal concerns I had about making my own sculpts and possibly selling them.

Its unfortunately not that easy, I advise you to get in touch with a professional attorney or legal firm or you might stumble into one of many pits.
It will cost you quite a sum and keep doing so in a rolling manner but I´d feel very bad if you took some ideas from "us" without the proper background knowledge and got in trouble for it.

What people don't realize is that GW has granted everyone the right to do this type of work, by virtue of the fact that with out the implied consent, you would violate their IP just by assembling a model in a way other than it was intended, by painting it in a way other than it was intended, by replicating for ones self or for others the coloration and iconography of GW's IP. As these are all derivative artistic works, things without implicit consent we could all be sued for producing such works.

This is valid on paper only and absolutely no judge in the entire world would ever attempt to impose or enforce such an action.
its like making it illegal for people to read books on mondays, doable in theory but how do you check every house hold for people reading books in privacy?

I would LOVE to have Brother Argos(David) give the facts and defend the actions of hisself and his moderating team(seeing as he has pretty much refused to do so), but I think it needs to be done elsewhere.
Sadly, seeing as he does remove any post from his forums that question his actions (he even removes any post that just mention Chapterhouse Studios), I dont see it happening where it needs to be done.

Do it in the general section since there are things worth debating, or I can compile it for you if you dont have the time, just ask.
Having Argos meet your arguments is a pointless task, its like having lying coward politicians meeting the public explaining what drain the funds went. Aint gonna happen.
I lured him out once straight into a barrage of his own GW IP money making examples and he said "blah blag" and dissapered. He will not make the same mistake twice or hopefully come back later much better prepared for a debate but dont bet on it, he has far more to win by playing the chicken card.

You better watch out. You better not cry. You better not pout. I'm telling you why. GW Legal is coming to town...

If GW were smart they would stop "scaring" us and meet us in a constructive discussion instead that might benefit both parties and is disclosure signed.
Going to court with a case that is not 100% waterproof and then some or relying on us being as giving in then the usual cases might seem like a fine idea for them but IF they loose we will make sure to open the flood gates to the whole chinese "copycat" tsunami that is just waiting such a court outcome. So is this might not be a court game GW would like to risk,especially when there are money making alternatives open to them instead.
Heck if I were them I´d contact us with a deal and make money and free advertising on it out of us in the process.

I mean look at the BnC owner, making big bucks of direct GW IP usage while selectively slamming down unlicensed manufacturers. Dont know weather to laugh or cry.

That said, Nick when are we likely to see some of those other Rhino/Predator add-ons I know Chapterhouse is working on?

They should be in casting at the moment. Sadly I was so rushed in finishing them that silly me forgot to take decent pictures of them so you´ll have to wait till I get my hands on a cast and paint it for show.

As for sculpting (what this thread is about):
Here is a WIP of landraider art that I´m workign on.

Funny enough this one picture was what David/Argos banned me for. To bad the hypocrite ran of instead of answered honestly why.

But chickens aside, what do you think, whats good, whats bad and what are your own ideas for the other landraider door art?
I´m thinking a similar theme with a robed skeleton but with another pose and another weapon.
What say you?

Tom, I think at some point you should do a sculpting tutorial on here. I think you could really show us alot we could benefit from.