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Pikachu.
He shoots lightning from his face...

Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction

Is Pikachu a humanoid?

What about Godzilla?

Kilkrazy wrote:Is Pikachu a humanoid?

What about Godzilla?

Or Mothra!?!?

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:A guy with an RPG.
A guy with a sniper rifle.
A guy with a roadside bomb.
A guy with a bag of bricks on top of a tall building.
A guy with a faulty water heater which produces carbon monoxide fumes that suffocate the SM in his sleep.

The logical flaw with SMs is that while they are awesome at straight 1-2-1 combat, they aren't invulnerable or immortal and can be killed in a variety of fairly ordinary means.

Space Marines are relatively unfazed by Frag Missiles and Heavy Bolters, with Frag Grenades doing very little. That seems to indicate RPGs and roadside bombs as being rather poor weapons (capable of taking one down, maybe, but the chances are slim, and Space Marines could probably avoid most of those things anyhow, between their unnatural reflexes, and heavy array of sensory equipment).

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I'm pretty sure modern RPG's have ARMOR PIERCING rounds as well as frag(HE) rounds. When they explode, the shaped charge forces a stream of superheated metal outwards that pierces armor. The older RPG's had such rounds too, but they aren't particularly effective against modern armor. I'd use those against a Marine if I had too.

EDIT: Cuz' I are smart like rock.

Assuming he'd let you use an RPG on him.

A piece of string stretched between two trees.

Terminator:I'm goin' in............. Whoa! man down!
Terminator 2:What happened?
Terminator:I tripped over a piece of string concealed in the bushes.
Emporer:

Railguns wrote:I'm pretty sure modern RPG's have ARMOR PIERCING rounds as well as frag(HE) rounds.

Well, Heavy Bolters are armor piercing rounds as well, but while they're dangerous they're not a sure fire kill.

More importantly, they require a direct hit against the Marine, and Space Marines can dodge a bullet shot at the back of their head by hearing the trigger being pulled. And that's assuming you have successfully snuck up on a Space Marine (carrying an RPG), which is a pretty unlikely assumption (infrared vision, night vision, superhuman hearing, the ability to go weeks without sleep, the ability to see in low-light conditions as well as daylight even without their helmet, the ability to track things like a bloodhound, dozens of years worth of training against the most dangerous aliens, mutants, and daemon-worshipers in a galaxy with weapons ten times as dangerous as any on modern Earth, the ability to control their metabolism through hypnotherapy and force of will).

When they explode, the shaped charge forces a stream of superheated metal outwards that pierces armor. The older RPG's had such rounds too, but they aren't particularly effective against modern armor. I'd use those against a Marine if I had too.

Superheated metal doesn't sound exceptionally scary against ceramite, as it conducts virtually no heat. I suppose the impact and leakage through the weaker parts of the armor could incapacitate one though (still a ways from killing one, but it would qualify for "taking one down" if it hit).

Aliens from uh, Alien(s) could pose a threat if they could close. Plus they seem to reproduce fast enough to stand a good chance of overwhelming them via sheer numbers. Assuming they have a Queen.

Eragon (and other riders) from the Inheritance trilogy (heard it's going to be a four parter now) could take them out. Plus they're smart enough to realize that fireballs are stupid when you can just telekinetically squish a brain or cause an aneurysm (sp?).

The Flood would, like the Aliens, be a threat if they are allowed to reproduce. I wonder how a large number of sentinels could do. In Ghosts of Onyx, I think, a group join together to take out a Covenenat cruiser. In Contact Harvest, Johnson uses a Gauss sniper rifle. It punched through a building, through the target, back through the building, and into the parking lot. I think that would pose a threat to a marine (but I don't know what the building was made of, for all I know it was just drywall).

Sgt. Salt wrote:Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction

What?

LordofHats wrote:

Sgt. Salt wrote:Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction

What?

His wallet says,"Inquisitor" on it. Just ask the Celestial Lions about messing with the inquisition.

I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFETHING IRON SNAKES, ON THIS MOTHERFETHING PLANE!

I cannot think of the Iron Snakes without giggling.

GW could have picked a better name.

The Fiery Loins?

Ratchet could take out LOTS of marines if he had a RYNO... Or a zodiac... Or a rift inducer... Or, heh... a sheep-o-ray... Heck, ratchet could take out a marine with pretty much anything, as long as it wasn't the unupgraded starter weapon.

So could Power Pete.

He was the single greatest video game character of all time.

Ronin wrote:Assuming he'd let you use an RPG on him.

I think the general concept of combat is that you don't wait for the enemy's permission to attack him.


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Orkeosaurus wrote:

Railguns wrote:I'm pretty sure modern RPG's have ARMOR PIERCING rounds as well as frag(HE) rounds.

Well, Heavy Bolters are armor piercing rounds as well, but while they're dangerous they're not a sure fire kill.

More importantly, they require a direct hit against the Marine, and Space Marines can dodge a bullet shot at the back of their head by hearing the trigger being pulled. And that's assuming you have successfully snuck up on a Space Marine (carrying an RPG), which is a pretty unlikely assumption (infrared vision, night vision, superhuman hearing, the ability to go weeks without sleep, the ability to see in low-light conditions as well as daylight even without their helmet, the ability to track things like a bloodhound, dozens of years worth of training against the most dangerous aliens, mutants, and daemon-worshipers in a galaxy with weapons ten times as dangerous as any on modern Earth, the ability to control their metabolism through hypnotherapy and force of will).

When they explode, the shaped charge forces a stream of superheated metal outwards that pierces armor. The older RPG's had such rounds too, but they aren't particularly effective against modern armor. I'd use those against a Marine if I had too.

Superheated metal doesn't sound exceptionally scary against ceramite, as it conducts virtually no heat. I suppose the impact and leakage through the weaker parts of the armor could incapacitate one though (still a ways from killing one, but it would qualify for "taking one down" if it hit).

High speed water jets can cut steel. The jet from an RPG round is more like a plasma jet than just superhot metal, because it is moving so fast.

It depends what Marine's armour is made of. Maybe it's some kind of "Unobtainium" which is totally proof against everything. Even then you have the problem of transmitted shock.

It seems unlikely that a chainsword could cut through and an anti-tank shell couldn't.

A chainsword can't really cut through with ease, you'd have to aim for the joints, but yes I think an RPG could do it. (Tabletop anti-tank missiles take out marines fair enough, so it must be valid)

Cheif Librarian Vaako wrote:A piece of string stretched between two trees.

Terminator:I'm goin' in............. Whoa! man down!
Terminator 2:What happened?
Terminator:I tripped over a piece of string concealed in the bushes.
Emporer:

This Post IS AWESOMMME!


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Zentraedi battlepods. Heck unarmed Zentraedi. Marines are buff but they aren't 40 ft tall big bag of angry tough.


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Hangon, earlier someone mentioned the Jedi word, but that makes me wonder, can't a lightsaber cut a force weapon/power sword? Like Speid VS Spadd?

Explanation:

But a power sword emits an energy field as well, would a lightsaber be able to cut through that?

Also, totally agree Frazzled, there can only be so many dreadnoughts in a marine company.

on the jedi thing the force can be deadly think of
force lightning
lighsaber throw
force speed
telikinesis
also they could use battle meditation on them

also lighsabers can cut through blast doors as thick as the blade so they could cut through power armour

and SG1 would kick the marines ass

FM

Kilkrazy wrote:High speed water jets can cut steel. The jet from an RPG round is more like a plasma jet than just superhot metal, because it is moving so fast.

It depends what Marine's armour is made of. Maybe it's some kind of "Unobtainium" which is totally proof against everything. Even then you have the problem of transmitted shock.

It seems unlikely that a chainsword could cut through and an anti-tank shell couldn't.

Well, I think it's mostly Ceramite and Adamantium, which aren't proof against everything, but are quite a bit tougher than anything we have now (especially with regards to heat in the case of Ceramite). The things about chainswords is they're probably made of the same caliber materials, so they're going to scale with the armor.

I do think they would likely be taken out of the combat if they were hit directly, but as I mentioned the real issue is hitting one. Their armor gains a multiplicative effect thanks to their superhuman agility and awareness making them immune to a lot what can actually hurt them.

ME!!! thats what can take down a marine.

i would just hand him a plasma pistol, and run like heck ducking behind every bit of cover i can... eventualy, he will die

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:High speed water jets can cut steel. The jet from an RPG round is more like a plasma jet than just superhot metal, because it is moving so fast.

It depends what Marine's armour is made of. Maybe it's some kind of "Unobtainium" which is totally proof against everything. Even then you have the problem of transmitted shock.

It seems unlikely that a chainsword could cut through and an anti-tank shell couldn't.

Well, I think it's mostly Ceramite and Adamantium, which aren't proof against everything, but are quite a bit tougher than anything we have now (especially with regards to heat in the case of Ceramite). The things about chainswords is they're probably made of the same caliber materials, so they're going to scale with the armor.

I do think they would likely be taken out of the combat if they were hit directly, but as I mentioned the real issue is hitting one. Their armor gains a multiplicative effect thanks to their superhuman agility and awareness making them immune to a lot what can actually hurt them.

*Artillery
*Those bombie things falling from the sky.
*A big rock
*A lot of little rocks piled on top of each other, on top of the marine.
*for every fifth marine, a bullet, dart, knife, artillery, arrow. Guys, really put the helmet ON.

Artillery and bombies have to hit pretty close to the marine, who can probably move further from the point of impact pretty well, but that is a good example of why they shouldn't be running around out in the open, since shells and bombies probably aren't a huge expenditure at any rate.

Dropped rocks are unlikely to hit the marines since they have ninja abilities.

The helmetless Space Marines would, realistically, still be almost as hard to kill as the helmeted ones, but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

Wobbufett!



He can be thrown for miles at a time (usually from an explosion), deflect any physical or "special" attacks, nullify status ailments, and you can't retreat from him! The perfect soldier to counter the recklessly charging marine.

Orkeosaurus wrote:but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

"You know the helment has a filter on it, if you put your helment on, you wouldn't have to breathe in the dust"

"Yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to spot annoying snipers...like you"

Orkeosaurus wrote:Artillery and bombies have to hit pretty close to the marine, who can probably move further from the point of impact pretty well, but that is a good example of why they shouldn't be running around out in the open, since shells and bombies probably aren't a huge expenditure at any rate.

How close are you thinking? A nice 2,000 lb bomb is going to shock wave everything in a football field width into grape jelly. Unless the marine is zippy the wonder sprinter he can kiss his keister goodbye. Now visualize a B-52 drop.
'Yorgh I'm Morgh the Marine. I have a chainsaw!'
(looks up at 40 or so bombs coming at him)
'Uh oh.'

Dropped rocks are unlikely to hit the marines since they have ninja abilities.

What if the rock is dropped from orbit? You've got to think big baby.

The helmetless Space Marines would, realistically, still be almost as hard to kill as the helmeted ones, but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

Not exactly. Per fluff a chaos marine was killed by natives flinging darts at him.

There's a reason that Wobbuffet is shaped like a self-righting punching bag.
Frazzled, you have to tell me where I can get some of those battlepods.

Johan Hegg with a viking axe could take a few space marines.