Who or What could take DOWN a Space Marine!?

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**Orkeosaurus**

Maybe Ringwraiths?

**Da Boss**

I think most Warcasters from Privateer Press would do fine, one on one.

Does Spiderman count as a Super Soldier? I think he could take down a marine, eventually. It'd be a good fight though!
Lots of other superheroes could manage it, but Spidey would be the most entertaining I think.

**karimabuseer**

Kyle katarn would be ownage vs marines.

**Orkeosaurus**

Da Boss wrote:I think most Warcasters from Privateer Press would do fine, one on one.

I wouldn't really consider them front-line soldiers, though. They're more like wizard-generals or something, aren't they?

Does Spiderman count as a Super Soldier?

Uh...

Wasn't he accidentally bit by a radioactive spider? And then became a vigilante?

**Emperors Faithful**

Batman vs. Space Marines.
Weapon of Choice? Stairs.

**starbomber109**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Batman vs. Space Marines.
Weapon of Choice? Stairs.

What can take down a space marine? A well placed flight of stairs!

Since they have been mentioned, Spartans are basically Space Marines wearing different armor that has shields. Elites could probably take them on, Hunters possibly, but there aren't too many hunters.

I think Gordon Freeman stands a chance

**Orkeosaurus**

Spartan armor is inferior to Power Armor by quite a bit, as it takes very little to kill a spartan without his shield active. And in truth it probably takes less to kill a Spartan with his shield active than it takes to kill a Space Marine (since the missiles killing him instantly are probably some sort of shaped charge). Their standard weapons are also far weaker.

They would be a threat to Space Marines, definitely, but they wouldn't equal them.

**Shadowbrand**

Ehhh Rambos just a really good Catachan fighter imo.

**Cheesepie**

well now that you ask a space marine is 16 points each and a grot is 3 points each you can get a max of 5 grots for 15 points
Now a grot is a monster with natural shooting skill, the ability to take the beating from hulking brutes hourly, a jaw full of teeth, nothing to lose and, ADHD
With 2 attacks each on charge and 1 shot at bs 3 at the power of a lasgun before a charge Not bad for 3 points

**Orkeosaurus**

Cheesepie wrote:Now a grot is a monster with natural shooting skill, the ability to take the beating from hulking brutes hourly, a jaw full of teeth, nothing to lose and, ADHD

I recall having expressed suspiciously similar thoughts on the creatures myself.

**Iron_Chaos_Brute**

I saw this thread and instantly thought:
Space marines vs. Bolos!

A Bolo would kill a whole fething chapter...including spacegoing craft, all personnel and facilities, and all vehicles...

**crazypsyko666**

SAS. Hands down. That or a tank collumn.

**Kilkrazy**

A guy with an RPG.
A guy with a sniper rifle.
A guy with a roadside bomb.
A guy with a bag of bricks on top of a tall building.
A guy with a faulty water heater which produces carbon monoxide fumes that suffocate the SM in his sleep.

The logical flaw with SMs is that while they are awesome at straight 1-2-1 combat, they aren't invulnerable or immortal and can be killed in a variety of fairly ordinary means.

Because they are so expensive, and relatively easy to kill, they will usually lose by attrition to ordinary troops.

**Hawkins**

A 'please dont point that at my planet gun', or a Cute furry death grenade.

**The Devourer**

well I dunno if these count but:

A Predator (as you metioned in the opening post), I doubt a SM would last long against an alien with above human strength, invisiblity, Shoulder mounted cannons and lots of other nasty weapons. Not to metion a lot of practice. Plus if the predators die they will just blow the planet up with them.

Terminators ( the elite ones). They seem almost indestructible and have a lot of built in weapons and other tricks. By the time a SM realised that it wasn't human he would probably be about to die.

Both these depend on where the fight is happening. On a open field SM could take most things but in a forest or city they aren't so good. as its a lot easier to sneak up on them.

**oggers**

Someone armed with the holy handgrenade of Antioch.

**LordofHats**

oggers wrote:Someone armed with the holy handgrenade of Antioch.

Dude I was going to say that XD.

**karimabuseer**

The Devourer wrote:well I dunno if these count but:

A Predator (as you metioned in the opening post), I doubt a SM would last long against an alien with above human strength, invisiblity, Shoulder mounted cannons and lots of other nasty weapons. Not to metion a lot of practice. Plus if the predators die they will just blow the planet up with them.

Terminators ( the elite ones). They seem almost indestructible and have a lot of built in weapons and other tricks. By the time a SM realised that it wasn't human he would probably be about to die.

Both these depend on where the fight is happening. On a open field SM could take most things but in a forest or city they aren't so good. as its a lot easier to sneak up on them.

Yes a predator. But I don't think it would take down the whole planet with it's bomb. Just a sizable area. Look at when he plants a bomb in AVP, or were they're fighting next 2 the pyramids (in the flash back). The whole planet doesn't get taken down...maybe just a mile.

I reckon the Space Marine would kill him. He towers over the terminator, and could pull it apart limp-for-limb with ease. Heck, they could decapitate it with a punch. And then we take the powerfists/swords into account....

You underestimate the power of space marine hearing. They have uber-super hearing which owns that of a guardsman. And they have sensors in their helmet, i.e heat.

I reckon a marine in terminator armour could take down a predator, a terminator and an eldar aspect warrior without breaking stride.

**RustyKnight**

Hmmm, a team of spartans might be able to take down individual marines. Likewise a group of Sangheili or Jiralhanae could do well. A bonded pair of Lekgolo would be a threat. AI's would be interesting, especially if they could take over machine spirits.

A lot of jedi would be capable of taking down at least one space marine. Some individual jedi would be capable of taking down a lot more than one (Reven, Nihilus, Luke (NJO), Kenobi (Episode III)).

Terminators, assuming the marine doesn't immediately realize something is wrong, might be able to take out a marine.

Powerful wizards from the Harry Potter universe could take out marines, but I doubt they could dodge bolter shells.

Ringwraiths are tough, but they don't seem LOLWTF fast or strong, so I doubt that they could take out SM.

Archimonde or Kil'jaedan could take out marines and the titans would be nasty.

Diablo, Baal, and Mephiston were powerful, I'd bet they could take on individuals. Duriel could kill the entire Ultramarines chapter at once.

A high level Wizard from DnD 3.5 would kill marines.

**Orkeosaurus**

Kilkrazy wrote:A guy with an RPG.
A guy with a sniper rifle.
A guy with a roadside bomb.
A guy with a bag of bricks on top of a tall building.
A guy with a faulty water heater which produces carbon monoxide fumes that suffocate the SM in his sleep.

The logical flaw with SMs is that while they are awesome at straight 1-2-1 combat, they aren't invulnerable or immortal and can be killed in a variety of fairly ordinary means.

Space Marines are relatively unfazed by Frag Missiles and Heavy Bolters, with Frag Grenades doing very little. That seems to indicate RPGs and roadside bombs as being rather poor weapons (capable of taking one down, maybe, but the chances are slim, and Space Marines could probably avoid most of those things anyhow, between their unnatural reflexes, and heavy array of sensory equipment).

Modern day sniper rifles would need to pinpoint the joints in the armor, or the visor. At least a long las isn't affected by wind and such.

Space Marines can dodge bullets, so they're probably not going to let something heavy be dropped on them. I don't know enough about their filtration equipment, heavily modified blood stream, and third lung specifically built to absorb oxygen from toxic environments to say whether Carbon Monoxide would be dangerous to them. I do know that Space Marines wouldn't sleep in dangerous circumstances, especially since they can stay awake for a good week at a time.

Because they are so expensive, and relatively easy to kill, they will usually lose by attrition to ordinary troops.

Well, they're not meant to hold ground; they're meant for rapid deployment against the thick of the enemy.

**lord of the ghosts**

techno facehuggers

**Orkeosaurus**

RustyKnight wrote:Duriel

Every time I read his name I seethe.

**Emperors Faithful**

oggers wrote:Someone armed with the holy handgrenade of Antioch.

+1

Or 'The Monster'.

**Ronin-Sage**

Jedi wouldn't fair too well against SMs, methinks, for the simple reason that their main defense against ranged attacks(deflection) wouldn't work against bolts. I know little about SW fluff, but maybe they have some "kinetic disruption" ability that causes all [solid] munitions to somehow swerve around them? >.>

In regard the Spider-man(he's not a "supersoldier" in any sense, as far as "purpose" goes, but for the sake of correction--&gt

no SM would stand a chance, save for a Primarch.

That reminds me. I've never seen it mentioned, but what's the jump-height of your average Tac like? Granted, they're in heavy power armor, but given their enhanced physiology and the boost they get from power armor, you would think they would be pretty good...jumpers(no, not leaping from skyscraper-to-skyscraper, but I reckon they could clear a large truck).

**Emperors Faithful**

I suppose initaites would be screwed, but for more trained jedi they could probably use the force to stop the bolters.

Remember of course, on an open battlefield, no jedi will match up to a SM. They need close quarters, where they can surround thier enemy, and not get shot to pieces. On an open battlefield, Jedi would be molested by the sheer AMOUNT of firepower.

As for jumps, a little better than the average human, but probably not anything like clearing a house or large truck in one go. Besides, they're in power armour so that weighs them down. AND they can pretty much walk THROUGH anything.

**Frazzled**

-Martian Tripods from War of the Worlds
Per the Black Library, some dudes with arrows, yes arrows (Go Abnett).
-Vlad Dracula. Ok, not a BA of course, as thats just "Uncle Vlad."
-Twilight vampire. The marines would laugh for so long they would run out of oxygen, and die.
-John Wayne with a demo charge, er ten sticks of dynamite. John Wayne, more Chuck Norris than Chuck Norris, pilgrim.
-Weiner dogs. 25,000 years ago, eldar farseers manipulated doggie genetics to create - the weiner dog. Their miniscule size makes them impossible to hit. Their yappy bark is particularly attuned to marine auditory sensors, creating a feedback loop that explodes the helmet. Further, their teeth, although inflicting no damage to us, have the hideous ability to lock into the ankle joint of a marine, causing them to crash and smash themselves with their own chain fist. All hail Wiener Dog. He will save us.
-Bugs Bunny. The dude can stop shotguns by plugging the barrel WITH HIS FINGERS. Thats Emperor awesome. Of course, thats easy, because we all know Da Emprah is really Bugs Bunny.

**Bran Dawri**

Fremen, especially when fighting on Arrakis, probably could. The Emperor there also had genetically engineered supersoldiers, and the Fremen wiped the floor with them.

Pak (or humans gone) Protectors, from Larry Niven's Known Space. Kzinti are probably a pretty good match as well, especially up close and personal.
Heck, humans from that universe are a pretty good match, considering peoples there tend to actually use their brains.

**Frazzled**

A ticked off wife with a bag of door knobs. Never mess with an angry wife.

**Emperors Faithful**

Frazzled wrote:
-Bugs Bunny. The dude can stop shotguns by plugging the barrel WITH HIS FINGERS. Thats Emperor awesome. Of course, thats easy, because we all know Da Emprah is really Bugs Bunny.

QFT

Frazzled FTW!

**IvanTih**

Bran Dawri wrote:Fremen, especially when fighting on Arrakis, probably could. The Emperor there also had genetically engineered supersoldiers, and the Fremen wiped the floor with them.

Pak (or humans gone) Protectors, from Larry Niven's Known Space. Kzinti are probably a pretty good match as well, especially up close and personal.
Heck, humans from that universe are a pretty good match, considering peoples there tend to actually use their brains.

Dune can't stand to the awesome grimdarkness of the 40k.