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twistinthunder wrote:
also @JHDD and MGS: could you guys stop arguing about petty things,no offense but its getting a bit pathetic.

Ahem... yes you two, please try and be friends.

twistinthunder wrote:
really didn't hear that over at warseer. i would have guessed daemons would be in it due to the fact that they are ridiculously newb friendly.

EDIT: ahh you have that a bit wrong he started a thread (we are thinking of the same harry right?) on warseer he was quoting someone from BoLS who said:

"blahblahblah 8th ed fantasy out summer 2010 with new starter set in fall, ive heard orcs and goblins and empire will feature, with O&G getting an update q1 2010.blahblahblah"

not a very reliable source as O&G aren't coming in 2010.

Nah, I'm referring to the bits where a couple of folks in the thread are going on the fact BoC would be the last army of 7th edition and he hints at something else, as if he is hinting a third book or something different to Tomb Kings will be in there before 8th.

Note I used 'Seemed' and 'as if' ... there is no definate 'yes and by the way theres a third/diff book coming,' type comment but Harry tends to be pretty cryptic with his responses over there, and often he is correct.

His last two points in post 104 is what I am seeing as a strong hint for example.

Probably nothing, but as its him, I do have to wonder.

Harry seems to hinting towards a third Warhammer army release before 8th hits next year, after BoC and Tomb Kings.

Just to clarify what harry said:

Tomb Kings are defo after beasts .... but I am not sure they are that soon or even next.

He said he believed TK were not before Beasts. We know that much already.

He also said that he is not sure if they would be soon after beasts, or even if they are next.

This does not equate to beasts and TK before 8th.

I believe they could release 2 armies before 8th (including beasts), but I have been told that TK are not until 2011. So this does not disprove harry (as he said he wasn't sure), but it means there could still be another army between beasts and 8th.

Rumours have gone round that some things have been discussed about Ogres, however they could easily fill up the space with wave releases.

You can forget about the Orcs until after the current cycle completes (imo), that is so unlikely to happen.

i think tk's will be before 8th ed with ogre kingdoms be soon after.

also i reckon empire and daemons of chaos for the starter set.

twistinthunder wrote:
also i reckon empire and daemons of chaos for the starter set.

Why?

daemons because they are one of (if not the) most newb friendly armies.

empire, dunno for some reason it just sounds right.

Well Empire and O&G is what's being touted about, I wouldn't know about daemons though, they seem unlikely to me for some reason, that may be because I am old and they still look like an upstart army and experiment.

They tried a daemon army before and ended up amalgamating it back into chaos.

Do daemon armies sell that well for fantasy? If they did use them as one of the two starters, I think it would be a Dark Elder sized mistake.

lol dark elder sized mistake! lol

i dunno they more power in fantasy than they are in 40k (i think) and as both a 40k and whfb i was thinking of making a magnetized bases daemon army.

Grimstonefire wrote:

Harry seems to hinting towards a third Warhammer army release before 8th hits next year, after BoC and Tomb Kings.

Just to clarify what harry said:

Tomb Kings are defo after beasts .... but I am not sure they are that soon or even next.

He said he believed TK were not before Beasts. We know that much already.

He also said that he is not sure if they would be soon after beasts, or even if they are next.

This does not equate to beasts and TK before 8th.

I believe they could release 2 armies before 8th (including beasts), but I have been told that TK are not until 2011. So this does not disprove harry (as he said he wasn't sure), but it means there could still be another army between beasts and 8th.

Rumours have gone round that some things have been discussed about Ogres, however they could easily fill up the space with wave releases.

Actually what he says there doesn't make any sense at all, but like I said he has a tendacy of being cryptic, in another post in that thread he said Orcs and Empire wouldn't be next after 8th launches, and in the same post you took that comment from he said this.

Dosadi wrote:
Yes, as most have figured out I had a brain fart and typed 2010 when I meant 2011.

... after Beastmen who will be the last 7th edition army ...

Harry wrote:
I will EDIT the first post to clear up this mistake.

I am not sure you are right about this either ... I'll say no more.

I have no idea myself, I'm just raising it as it seems odd thing for him to say, but like I've said its obvious he knows someone at/connected to GW, as he's said before he's been asked to back off with the rumours.

He's also right alot, along with Hastings, Brimstone and a few others.

Could be anything though, could be nothing.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no idea myself, I'm just raising it as it seems odd thing for him to say, but like I've said its obvious he knows someone at/connected to GW, as he's said before he's been asked to back off with the rumours.

Apparantly he doesn't know anyone currently at GW (for getting rumours, though Wade Pryce and Adam Troke have asked him to tone it down). I actually have a novel idea about who Harry's source is, but it would be very unwise for me to say.

Back on topic if Harry said that beasts would be the last army before 8th then that's pretty clear. I still don't believe that O&G 8th edition armybook will come any sooner than late 2011. A source book maybe, a wave release certainly, but not an armybook.

About Demons being one of the possible armies in the starter, I think that's unlikely for another reason. Moms. Mums. Mothers. And I mean that in the woman who raised and/or bore you sense.

Big old box of Orcs V. Human Empire is already hard enough to sell to parents. Human Empire vs. box full of evil demon-devil looking critters will be a no-sale for many households. They may look cool to kiddies and many adults but even the worst parents pause a little when their kid wants a box full o' obvious evil.

Just saying.

well daemons would never be in a box set because
1) there metal and metal+box=nono
2) if htey did make a plastic version they would lose HUGE amounts of mony because they would lose all the people buying the metal sets

Brigades are a strong reperisentation of what GW thinks is the big thing. From what there showing is that Empire and O&G are strong in sales and will be getting an even larger spotlight through either the starter set or a new revision of their codex

With the infusion of fantasy material in the last few years, I think Orks/Empire makes sense. I didn't really see any new models per se in the new brigade boxes, but if they do an equal type points value in the new Fantasy box as they have done for this one, they can expect another good round of sales.

And would match the current 40k set (SM/Ork).

I'd like to see all of Chaos return in one epic, hard back tome. Beasts, mortal, daemon, dwarf. I'd like to see them just concentrate on army books, models, fluff, campaigns, expanding the Warhammer World with armies from the border princes, Cathay. More stuff like the SoC or Lustria. A 'Good guy' Campaign into the wastes...

I'd like to see all of that, but I doubt I will. They'll change the rules to allow for snaking or lapping around the flank again, maybe change the lores up a bit. Nothing too drastic.

Beasts v. Empire in the box set. OR the kill the collective chubby everyone has Chaos Dwarfs v High Elves.

An aggressive good guy crusade type campaign would be fantastic. I always was tired of the goodies having to sit and defend the whole friggin' time.

Khornholio wrote:I'd like to see all of Chaos return in one epic, hard back tome. Beasts, mortal, daemon, dwarf. I'd like to see them just concentrate on army books, models, fluff, campaigns, expanding the Warhammer World with armies from the border princes, Cathay. More stuff like the SoC or Lustria. A 'Good guy' Campaign into the wastes...

I'd like to see all of that, but I doubt I will. They'll change the rules to allow for snaking or lapping around the flank again, maybe change the lores up a bit. Nothing too drastic.

Beasts v. Empire in the box set. OR the kill the collective chubby everyone has Chaos Dwarfs v High Elves.

Oh God, not overlapping. That made my head hurt. Also can't see it happening as we all use movement trays these days and taking out minis to overlap just slows down the game.

Think we'd all like to see Chaos back in one book rather than being "organised" into separate factions. Chaos is the operative word after all!

Khornholio wrote:More stuff like the SoC or Lustria. [...]

I'd like to see all of that, but I doubt I will.

I'll join you in doubting, seeing as I'm almost positive GW said Supplement books are going the way of the dodo. A shame, because they were pretty good.

I think I played a whole 5 games since the last edition came out :( I just don't get to play enough.

I like the idea of empire vs orks for the box set though, seems like the best choice for fantasy. It should at least be empire though, but what I don't get is why they never do chaos in the starter boxes for 40k too. I mean isn't chaos the biggest baddest enemy there is?

You need one human faction -- the "goodies"-- and one non human --the "baddies"-- as an easy POV to introduce the new players to I think from what I've heard and been told.

Chaos Mortals (Goodies) vs. High Elves (Baddies) FTW!

With a new core ruleset, I am also hoping there is a return to big blocks of infantry vs. Herohammer and 'Deathstars' type of play.

- Blackbone

I hope the new rule set address the flaws in the magic phase, hopefully nerfing Daemons in the process. I got into this game for big monsters and big bloks of infantry, not rolling dice to cast tons of magic. Normally when me and my friends have friendly games its, 2250 points, neither one of us choose a lvl 4 as our general and we might run 2 lvl 2's, depending on the army.

What was the big Magic shake up from 6th->7th, anyways? (Never played 6th).

Basically Wizards can only use the dice they generate plus the ones from the pool (i.e. the two dice you get). A popular tactic in 6th was using lvl 2 wizards as "batteries" for the big bad 4th lvl wizard. In 7th, that tactic went away as you could no longer share the dice.

Not sure I want a new edition, I will have to re-read the rules again, not to mention explaain them all over again to my dad. Also ill have to wait for all the new codexes to come out again.

I have one friend who's only played a single game under the current edition. He won't be happy.

Then again, my gaming group might not upgrade editions for a while anyway. 7th works fine for us as-is (no daemon or dark elf players in the group, no all cavalry armies, basically we don't play in tournaments or tournament style) so it might not be worth the hassle and cost changing to 8th straight away.

Blackbone wrote:With a new core ruleset, I am also hoping there is a return to big blocks of infantry vs. Herohammer and 'Deathstars' type of play.

- Blackbone

Shade deathstars are an official dark elf tactic. Check the armybook, it's in there.

Aren't Deathstars big blocks of infantry generally anyway?

I'd hope there is a diversity of types of play that all work reasonably well. I'm not sure what they can do to make infantry better though, in a world with flying monsters, fireballs and ubercav of doom.

Give em pikes!! ASF vs Cav and +2 to str when being charged by cav, +1 from other infantry when they are being charged. Fight in three ranks and no bonuses on the charge!!

A bit wishlisty but here goes:
GW could certainly change infantry moving mechanics a bit which in turn would make objective grabbing and such more feasible, If 8th ed. is gonna feature new scenario system. For example making difficult terrain effect infantry less (or even not at all) would be a good start. I'm hoping also that the scenarios will require standard troops to actually win now and then, which would hopefully steer the game away from the single models and such (a bit).

Reworking mechanics for templates and especially warmachines would be good way to streamline the game without removing too much flavor. I'm thinking guess weapons here.