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I have to see when I can get down there to decide on the Team event, I know I will attend the 40k GT, as my GF has decided we need a vacation that weekend.

Nice!

: )

Max Total Points (over 5 games) = 1000
*600 total battlepoints
*400 total soft points

Max Total Battlepoints/Mission = 120
*Objectives: 100 Points
*Bonus: 20 Points

Objectives
*Primary: 50
*Secondary: 30
*Tertiary: 20

Bonus Points
*4 bonus/mission
*5 points/bonus

Max Total Soft Points/Mission = 80
*Soft Point Split
- Comp = 40
- Sport = 40

Comp Breakdown
*Did your opponent have two or more identical units that are Heavy Support, Elite, HQ, or Fast Attack?
- Yes = 0 pts
- No = 5 pts

*Did your opponent have three or more troops?
- Yes = 5 pts
- No = 0 pts

*How would you judge his/her theme?
- 0 (Win At All Costs)
- 5 (Lots of nasty combos)
- 10 (fair army)
- 15 (This army represents its background very well)

Sports Breakdown
*Did your opponent argue about rules, roll dice too fast, have disputes about terrain, slow play, not move or measure properly?
- Yes = 0 pts
- No = 5 pts

How would you rate your opponent?
- 0 (Would not play them again)
- 5 (Lots of rules arguments)
- 10 (Fair)
- 15 (This was my favorite game ever)

Appearance
* You will be judged by the TOs and score up to 250 points based upon the appearance of your army. A complete set of rules for the painting scores will appear later.
* There is a Player's Choice Award. You will vote for your favorite army during the GT.

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I was thinking about traveling out there when I visit family, but unfortunately I fear my vehicle will not have a proper surface to deep stri---arrive in. Yeah, we'll go with that.

It's an interesting score chart, but it seems to hurt some fluff themed armies that 'represent their background'...and Necrons, but that's alright since they don't really have a lot of different units in their FOC slots anyways...and no one loves them but me.

Oh yeah,I give them the love. You'd better believe it.

GBF,
I don't like the verbiage for the "sports breakdown".

I think you need to define "argue about rules" and "have disputes about terrain". I mean this could be interepreted as having to give someone a 0 just because there was a minor rules dispute. I.E. it makes it look like there isn't supposed to be any debate relating to rules or terrain... period.

I would suggest something like "Did your opponent argue to the extreme about rules" or "Was your opponent a jerk concerning rules" "Did your opponent work out rules disputes amicably?" etc.etc.

GG

To me it should be obvious.

: )

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Frankly, I'd get rid of that argument related question all together.

Subjective Comp? Really? From GBF?

I am just looking over the points for army lists and noticing how many points I will be losing.

As for the did your opponent stuff, terrain always need to be talked about. Just what is slow play? Rules questions will always occur.

These are all common problems that occur during tournaments... Slow play, disputes regarding rules & terrain, etc. Obviously there is a difference between a discussion and an argument. How would you define them Fabius?

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To me slow play is a case by case thing. If my opponent or myself has a lot to consider before an action, taking a few extra minutes is fine with me.

How should I define it with the written word so people can recognize it and report it?

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That's just it, you can't. It should be call a judge over and have them observe, then if they feel the person in question is slowing the game on purpose of hitting the time limit, they can act on it.


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Also, when you say Identical units, is that type or wargear/upgrade wise?


Say if I take 2 5 man assault termie squads would I get penalized? Or is it if I take 2 5 man TH/SS units?

We will be running a weekly e-letter. We will let everyone who is playing know what we expect and that we the TOs will be very vigilant. If you are unhappy you should talk to us about it. If you have a legitimate complaint we will resolve it for you. Yuri and I have lots of experience running events and we both see eye to eye on matters such as these.

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Its just now I am out a possible 60 points a game just because of the list I chose to bring.

You like the spam?

No, I like effective low cost units.

: )

We had one player who was notoriously slow at our local tournaments. A lot of it came because he played a horde ork army and he had a lot of models to move. This is poor sportsmanship though, because if you are playing a timed game with an army you cannot manage to complete the turn sequence in a reasonble amount of time, you will be penalized.

Also, and I'm not sure 100% on this, but I think he also did it to stall out the game as well...it's hard to kill 100+ models when you have 2 less turns to do it.

RxGhost wrote:We had one player who was notoriously slow at our local tournaments. A lot of it came because he played a horde ork army and he had a lot of models to move. This is poor sportsmanship though, because if you are playing a timed game with an army you cannot manage to complete the turn sequence in a reasonble amount of time, you will be penalized.

Also, and I'm not sure 100% on this, but I think he also did it to stall out the game as well...it's hard to kill 100+ models when you have 2 less turns to do it.

Staling is common, however usually the stalling is from the shooty players, not the CC oriented players, like horde ork tends to be. They stall to try and cut down on the amount of turns they will need to be in CC.

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I'd love information on what constitutes "identical" before I commit to driving 8+ hours and potentially taking time off work for this.

I feel its not fair for certain armies. Make an Eldar, DE, Chaos or Demon list that doesnt spam and is competative.

Two identical units (not troop) would be:

3x Oblit
3x Oblit


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Comp Breakdown
*Did your opponent have two or more identical units that are Heavy Support, Elite, HQ, or Fast Attack?
- Yes = 0 pts
- No = 5 pts

Just lost 3 out of state entrants.

GBF,
What if someone concludes that my 9 kans, 2 dread army is a "win at all costs" list despite that it is a fluff army described in the ork codex ("dreadmobs" p. 52)? Abaddon has great background too, but does that means he's not win at all costs? A seer council is also quite fluffy but complete win at all costs. Comp is crap.

olympia wrote:GBF,
What if someone concludes that my 9 kans, 2 dread army is a "win at all costs" list despite that it is a fluff army described in the ork codex ("dreadmobs" p. 52)? Abaddon has great background too, but does that means he's not win at all costs? A seer council is also quite fluffy but complete win at all costs. Comp is crap.

wow... youd really get creamed. 0 for duplications and 0 for out of theme. granted it is very much in theme but in a tournament is someone really going to give you that?

You can't take different wargear/upgrades for the kans?

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MagickalMemories wrote:

Comp Breakdown
*Did your opponent have two or more identical units that are Heavy Support, Elite, HQ, or Fast Attack?
- Yes = 0 pts
- No = 5 pts

Just lost 3 out of state entrants.

So Dakka-equese!

Is it really that hard to make sure that multiple units from the non-Troop FOC slots are not identical?

I mean, REALLY?

It took me about 2 minutes in my head to adjust both my DE tournament army and my Chaos tournament list so that there are no identical non-Troop units, and I doubt it has seriously affected either army's effectiveness.

Green Blow Fly wrote:You can't take different wargear/upgrades for the kans?

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But I could still get 0 for 'theme' if my dip@#%$ opponent thinks a kan wall is a win at all costs army. And what about the seer council--fluff or win at all costs? Or both?

If a player scores someone incorrectly then we will correct it. It's just that simple. Olympia are you thinking of coming over to play across the proverbial pond?

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