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StarGate wrote: OK how far do You have to be away from a emeny model?? One Inch Right,

Not quite. You are unable to move to within 1" of an enemy model. There is no rule preventing you from being within 1" of an enemy model.

If the person is hugging the table edge, you dont have a Inch to come on to the table?

You don't need one. The vehicle moves on as if they had been positioned just off the board in their previous turn and moves normally. So the vehicle is starting just off the board, and so is indeed starting its move within 1" of an enemy model... but it didn't actually move there. It is just treated as if it was there. So no rule is broken.

So at best, the vehicle starts its Tank Shock move with an enemy model already in base contact. Which is legal, since the vehicle rules allow vehicles to move away from enemy models in contact with it.

Plus dont you have to declare you Intentions before you do a action( like charge or shooting at a unit).

Not specifically for all actions, no. It is the most efficient way of letting your opponent know what you're doing, though.

A Tank Shock does have to be declared, though.

If your in Reserves how can you. You dont know what coming on the table until you roll for it. Since you roll for each unit separately coming on the table.

You declare the tank shock when you are about to move the tank. Just as you would declare any other action immediately before performing it.

I didnt disappear, i have a life outside of a computer.



I don't literally mean a turn 0

Scout move = a movement phase before turn 1 begins. So essentially they get a chance to move, before turn 1 but after deployment.

TopC wrote:I didnt disappear, i have a life outside of a computer.



I don't literally mean a turn 0

Scout move = a movement phase before turn 1 begins. So essentially they get a chance to move, before turn 1 but after deployment.

Are we still talking about DoW scouts?
Okay, lets ignore the perfectly clear DoW rules for some reason, I suppose.

Go ahead, make your scout move pre-turn 1.
Wait, the units haven't entered the game yet?
And they aren't positioned anywhere to make the moves from, not even just off the board, because that is specified as happening in turn 1 by the DoW entry rules we're ignoring?
Hey, looks like you still can't make the moves, even if you ignore the rule prohibiting them. Whoops.

Then why would Dow rules themselves even DIRECTLY STATE, make scout moves.

TopC wrote:Then why would Dow rules themselves even DIRECTLY STATE, make scout moves.

Maybe because you can deploy units who could make scout moves within your 2 troop + HQ choices?
If you're talking about those units then I have no idea what you are trying to argue, as the rules continue to be completely clear for that case and have nothing to do with any argument about units that are off the board.

TopC wrote:Then why would Dow rules themselves even DIRECTLY STATE, make scout moves.

Because you can make scout moves with any deployed units that have the Scout rule.

It boils down to this

What takes priority?

Special rule?

Standard deployment?

thts the question about that in a nut shell.

TopC wrote:It boils down to this

What takes priority?

Special rule?

Standard deployment?

thts the question about that in a nut shell.

No it isn't, you can't make scout moves even if you ignore the DoW rule. You can't move units you didn't deploy, and they have no way to enter the game until that rule allows it.

If you're still talking about Scout moves, what it boils down to is simply whether there is any way provided by the rules for a unit to make the move without actually being on the board.

It's a completely different issue to Tank Shock, since Tank Shock does work within the existing Reserves rules.

I would recommend if you really want to hash out the Scout from Reserves thing that you start a separate thread on it, rather than muddying this one any further.

insaniak wrote:If you're still talking about Scout moves, what it boils down to is simply whether there is any way provided by the rules for a unit to make the move without actually being on the board.

It's a completely different issue to Tank Shock, since Tank Shock does work within the existing Reserves rules.

I would recommend if you really want to hash out the Scout from Reserves thing that you start a separate thread on it, rather than muddying this one any further.

page 68, paragraph 2 of tank shock.

may be done instead of moving normally.


Is not a normal move.


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Gorkamorka wrote:

TopC wrote:It boils down to this

What takes priority?

Special rule?

Standard deployment?

thts the question about that in a nut shell.

No it isn't, you can't make scout moves even if you ignore the DoW rule. You can't move units you didn't deploy, and they have no way to enter the game until that rule allows it.

In DoW, you deploy Via movement. USR = normal movement phase after deployment/infiltration.

There is not a definitive way to rule on this reading the book. Which is why I'm calling GW in the morning and asking both of these questions since a GW answer means way more than anything anyone here can ever say. Why? Because they wrote the book. If you try to argue that to justify yourself, your an idiot.

TopC wrote:

insaniak wrote:If you're still talking about Scout moves, what it boils down to is simply whether there is any way provided by the rules for a unit to make the move without actually being on the board.

It's a completely different issue to Tank Shock, since Tank Shock does work within the existing Reserves rules.

I would recommend if you really want to hash out the Scout from Reserves thing that you start a separate thread on it, rather than muddying this one any further.

page 68, paragraph 2 of tank shock.

may be done instead of moving normally.


Is not a normal move.

It's a normal move, from Reserves.

Is there such thing in the book as a "Reserves Move"?
Nope. You "move from Reserves". It fills all the requirements to Tank Shock.

TopC wrote:
In DoW, you deploy Via movement. USR = normal movement phase after deployment/infiltration.

There is not a definitive way to rule on this reading the book. Which is why I'm calling GW in the morning and asking both of these questions since a GW answer means way more than anything anyone here can ever say. Why? Because they wrote the book. If you try to argue that to justify yourself, your an idiot.

I'd appreciate it if you would stop making up rules and claims that support your position, and read the DoW and Scouts rules in the main rulebook. You are entirely incorrect, and the written rules are perfectly clear.

Gorkamorka wrote:

TopC wrote:
In DoW, you deploy Via movement. USR = normal movement phase after deployment/infiltration.

There is not a definitive way to rule on this reading the book. Which is why I'm calling GW in the morning and asking both of these questions since a GW answer means way more than anything anyone here can ever say. Why? Because they wrote the book. If you try to argue that to justify yourself, your an idiot.

I'd appreciate it if you would stop making up rules and claims that support your position, and read the DoW and Scouts rules in the main rulebook. You are entirely incorrect, and the written rules are perfectly clear.

I'm not making them up since i've referenced them repeatedly.

I will no longer be commenting on this thread until after i speak to GW and at such time i will post here to relay their position on the rule.

TopC wrote:I will no longer be commenting on this thread until after i speak to GW and at such time i will post here to relay their position on the rule.

I didn't know GW was a person, or do you mean "after I talk to some random box packer earning $8 an hour"?

TopC wrote:

I will no longer be commenting on this thread until after i speak to GW and at such time i will post here to relay their position on the rule.

@TopC....

Who do you think wrote this horrible mangled ruleset, all in the name of "friendly gaming"? (Oddly enough, if the rules were well-written, there would be less arguing over them, and therefore a friendlier overall community atmosphere.)

Best of luck getting a ruling from emailing/mailing GW. Also note that such rulings aren't "official", as it is hard to prove their validity...and in all honesty not worth the effort.

This thread appears to have reached an impasse so...

Good luck with the call to GW.