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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: but you might try going easier on those of us who clearly have something wrong and need help

Did Avatar make you suicidal because you can't live in a death world jungle as well? I ask because we weren't talking about clinical depression in general but you used the first person plural form.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: Hopefully I'm not sounding preachy, not my intention at all.

It wasn't your intention but it still happened.


While a few of these cases may be legitimate (though it wouldn't be solely Avatar, as said, something there before) many of them are just jagoffs that want to live in a fairy world instead of the real one. Every day is fun in Pandora where you don't have to work and you don't have a boss or a mortgage and you get to wear that leather bracelet that makes you look really cool. Of course they never see the actual work that goes into keeping a primitive (I am loathe to use the term but it wll work for now) society alive. It is all running in the trees and riding dragons by sticking your genitals into them.

It is very important to realize how crippling serious depression can be. All of my sentiments about parts of the psychiatric industry aside, depression is a very real condition, that can be triggered by almost anything.

Having such easily accessible triggers, as a movie is able to cause them, is an indicator of how much help a person needs. I have a hard time grouping all cases of depression into one basket though. TBH, even though depression can be associated with delusions/ psychosis, after a certain point there may be a strong link to symptoms of Schizophrenia. Short term psychosis can end very badly, and it is very hard for a person that has never experienced such intense confusion. To overlook the fact that people experiencing it, may have not literal control over how they deal with the experience, is just unfair to the individual.

I am not a professional, nor do I particularly trust many of the professionals in the Psych. industry, but there is something to be said for group therapy. In a nutshell, that is all most of these "cults" seem to be. I can honestly say that parts of the furry community are well aware that they are just taking part in a fetish. Wanting to live on Pandora, and building an intricate sub-identity, is simple madness. I find it hard to believe that the majority of the people in this specific social offshoot, have gone to the lengths that would compose a full on case of delusion. Some people listen to Rock, and dress like they do, some listen to Techno and do the same (looking crazy as hell doing it to, but it appears to be in a somewhat socially accepted way). Other people like to dress up like bunnies... which is really not that much crazier than many styles I have seen walking around, partying it up.


Wrex after New Years...

"Huh? Makeup? Oh... well, at least I have a smoke and some booze. This booze appears to have been used as an ashtray..."

Oh ffs, this always happens in these threads doesn't it? We start on one specific group of sad lonely people and suddenly people act like were bagging on every case of depression ever. NO ONE AT ANY POINT IN ANY OF THESE THREADS HAS DENIED THAT CLINICAL DEPRESSION IS REAL OR THAT IT ISN'T SERIOUS.

The day I meet a furry that knows that it is just a fetish I will agree with you but every single one one I have met has taken it to that next level. I'm sure the exception is out there but I haven't met it.

Wrex wrote:I have a hard time grouping all cases of depression into one basket though.

Which is why I mentioned that...

There are many types of people, even in this group of Avatar-lovers. The fact that they are into Avatar is not directly indicative of much of anything, besides their particular coping mechanisms.

Ahtman wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: but you might try going easier on those of us who clearly have something wrong and need help

Did Avatar make you suicidal because you can't live in a death world jungle as well? I ask because we weren't talking about clinical depression in general but you used the first person plural form.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: Hopefully I'm not sounding preachy, not my intention at all.

It wasn't your intention but it still happened.

No, not at all. I've tried escapism before (in much better fictional universes at that) and it has never really worked out that well If giving a disclaimer, a smiley and using the phrase "you might" is still preachy, I give up the internet.

Good yet scary stuff although for crazy nerd-stuff I prefer the Austrailians who are trying (or tried, been a while) to make Jedi an official religion via census reports.

Trying and failing.

They heard that all you needed was an official following of x thousand people.

You also need the tax status and a few other minor details.

They should have ridden on Scientology's coat tails in the early days.

Miguelsan wrote:Avatar has been pictured as racist too, isn´t that fun?

M.

WTF? There are people calling it racist because it stereotypes 8' tall blues aliens with tales? Are we going to have a million Navi march now?
Good Hell, when a show like this comes out, some of the people that go see it always make me feel at least one rung higher on the food chain than I thought I was!
I remember when Star Wars first came out, Alec Guiness was hounded by people approaching him asking for instuction in the ways of the force.
It'd be fun to start a thread to show how people overreact to movies.

They think it sterotypes native americans.
and it also cause the hero is white and it helping another race. there basically saying "the main hero is white, it sterotypes that other races cant solve there own problem.

Wow, neither of you really understand the argument yet are able to put it into such simplistic terms to try and dismiss it out of hand. Ignorance and lack of proper research all in one fell swoop. Hooray!

Ahtman wrote:Wow, neither of you really understand the argument yet are able to put it into such simplistic terms to try and dismiss it out of hand. Ignorance and lack of proper research all in one fell swoop. Hooray!

I researched it and found the arguments silly. That's the reason I say some people are prone to overreact and find offense where none was intended.

Relapse wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Wow, neither of you really understand the argument yet are able to put it into such simplistic terms to try and dismiss it out of hand. Ignorance and lack of proper research all in one fell swoop. Hooray!

I researched it and found the arguments silly. That's the reason I say some people are prone to overreact and find offense where none was intended.

Again, if you had done research you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss with a wave of your hand and monocle firmly in place. You can disagree, but you aren't just disagreeing, you are belittling the people just because you lack their perspective. You also seem to be treating racism as if it were a single type of expression where it is not. Not all racism is as overt or purposeful as a cross burning in a front yard. The arguments aren't as simplistic as you are presenting them, and by doing so you are doing a disservice to yourself and to the greater dialogue on the subject. It could also just be that you are so submersed into white privilege that you can't see out of it. Like people who dismissed minorities that complained that police treated them differently when they got pulled over and they were dismissed. Guess what, they were treated differently, it wasn't just a made up story.

Ahtman wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote: Hopefully I'm not sounding preachy, not my intention at all.

It wasn't your intention but it still happened.

Pot veresus Kettle! Fight!!!

lolwut? they were DEPRESSED??

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You're triforcing everywhere these days, so proud.

I did my my research. yahoo news has an article about it just look.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100111/ap_en_mo/us_avatar_racism
i just paraphrased. just not that well.

LOL, ins some weird way this reminds me of the Better Than Life episode from red dwarf

"This is the first community on the internet for Na'vi 'Kin - those who are Na'vi in human form. Be it reincarnated Na'vi, Na'vi on a mental level, or spiritual Na'vi, we have one thing in common - we are Na'vi, truly, in our hearts and at our cores.

The aim of We Are Na'vi is to provide a safe environment for Na'vi 'Kin to gather and talk. I am the first, but undoubtedly not the last. When more Awaken to their true selves and have the Realization they will doubtless seek out a place to call home and be themselves. We Are Na'vi is that place."

What the feth.

How can you be re-incarnated from a fictional species?

Wow, that's trolling so hard it's like rape.

When did it become okay to take fiction so far?

binky wrote:When did it become okay to take fiction so far?

Manchu wrote:How can you be re-incarnated from a fictional species?

Look up the otherkin, they've been claiming reincarnation from fictional species for a while now. A fair whack of them claim reincarnation from stuff out of the D&D Monster Manual.

There's this whole mythology about the elven holocaust, and how mean, horrible humans killed all these elves and it so much worse than the holocaust. It's seriously bonkers.

Yeah, Wiccans have the same mythology. We might could construct a chart detailing the slipping of the collective pop-conscience into a fantasy world but . . . who has the energy.

Manchu wrote:

binky wrote:When did it become okay to take fiction so far?

I gamed in the early 90s, before people started turning tubes into the internet. Every other group I played in seemed to have one guy who really, really into the fiction. The guy who found it really important that phasers work exactly like they 'really' do. The guy who never talked about anything but the game, or the setting of the game.

It seems those guys have found the internet, and used the internet to find each other. Like any echo chamber, their crazy reinforces their crazy, and they all get nuttier until some of them actually believe they the soul of an elf inside them.


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Manchu wrote:Yeah, Wiccans have the same mythology. We might could construct a chart detailing the slipping of the collective pop-conscience into a fantasy world but . . . who has the energy.

Oh yeah, the burning times. As an innocent young lad I once told a wiccan that there was no historical basis for the burning times... I learnt a lot about human nature that day.

I remember coming across the "transporters could totally work" people as a kid. I don't remember the "I am a reincarnated Copper Dragon" people.

Also, I'm guessing you meant "no historical basis."

Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Wow, neither of you really understand the argument yet are able to put it into such simplistic terms to try and dismiss it out of hand. Ignorance and lack of proper research all in one fell swoop. Hooray!

I researched it and found the arguments silly. That's the reason I say some people are prone to overreact and find offense where none was intended.

Again, if you had done research you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss with a wave of your hand and monocle firmly in place. You can disagree, but you aren't just disagreeing, you are belittling the people just because you lack their perspective. You also seem to be treating racism as if it were a single type of expression where it is not. Not all racism is as overt or purposeful as a cross burning in a front yard. The arguments aren't as simplistic as you are presenting them, and by doing so you are doing a disservice to yourself and to the greater dialogue on the subject. It could also just be that you are so submersed into white privilege that you can't see out of it. Like people who dismissed minorities that complained that police treated them differently when they got pulled over and they were dismissed. Guess what, they were treated differently, it wasn't just a made up story.

This gets funnier by the minute. A few posts earlier, you call people "Jagoffs" because they might be suffering from depression for what might be deeper circumstances than you realize or care to look into. Then you turn around and say I'm into white privilige so deep that I wave a dismissive hand at people that say Avatar is racist because they claim it took a white man to save 8' tall blue aliens. Then you go on to talk about traffic stops for some reason I can't see.
I say give it a rest, it was just a movie. But then again, Blade offended me because it took a black man to kill vampires. I'm so depressed about this...

Relapse wrote:But then again, Blade offended me because it took a black man to kill vampires. I'm so depressed about this...

Please stop opening old wounds!

Da Boss wrote:That is what I meant when I said they must have already had a chemical imbalance. What makes it unbelieveable for me is that so many hardcore avatar fans would have a chemical imbalance like that- it's not THAT common. I've had the other kind of depression, the sort related to bad life events, and the triggers for that have to be a bit more extreme than a film in general, or your life must be incredibly sheltered, which I think makes you fair game for some slagging.

That would be because there might have been one or two unbalanced people who actually felt this way. Followed by a metric -ton of internet trolls that hammered the story into the ground.


Duh.

This movie is rascist though. How come the humans are trying to get resources from any planet they can see? How come the blue guys are 8 foot giants that can take down robots? The answer is, the Na"vi are secretly the Ultramarines. This would explain why all of the humans (possible 40k players) hate them.

Relapse wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Wow, neither of you really understand the argument yet are able to put it into such simplistic terms to try and dismiss it out of hand. Ignorance and lack of proper research all in one fell swoop. Hooray!

I researched it and found the arguments silly. That's the reason I say some people are prone to overreact and find offense where none was intended.

Again, if you had done research you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss with a wave of your hand and monocle firmly in place. You can disagree, but you aren't just disagreeing, you are belittling the people just because you lack their perspective. You also seem to be treating racism as if it were a single type of expression where it is not. Not all racism is as overt or purposeful as a cross burning in a front yard. The arguments aren't as simplistic as you are presenting them, and by doing so you are doing a disservice to yourself and to the greater dialogue on the subject. It could also just be that you are so submersed into white privilege that you can't see out of it. Like people who dismissed minorities that complained that police treated them differently when they got pulled over and they were dismissed. Guess what, they were treated differently, it wasn't just a made up story.

This gets funnier by the minute. A few posts earlier, you call people "Jagoffs" because they might be suffering from depression for what might be deeper circumstances than you realize or care to look into. Then you turn around and say I'm into white privilige so deep that I wave a dismissive hand at people that say Avatar is racist because they claim it took a white man to save 8' tall blue aliens. Then you go on to talk about traffic stops for some reason I can't see.
I say give it a rest, it was just a movie. But then again, Blade offended me because it took a black man to kill vampires. I'm so depressed about this...

Besides twisting my words (there is no real comparison between this and what I said before Scarecrow) because you can't actually refute my argument without doing you also show a profound misunderstanding/ignorance of the following:

History
Literature
Sociology
Cinema
Psychology

I would have included reading comprehension, because I think it is true, but that would be mean so I won't.