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I think people really underestimate the limits of Tyranids. I mean, every codex is written to make it sound like the faction in question is invincible but if you read it carefully you will find that they actually are balanced fluff-wise. Tyranids particularly scare people, I guess, for the same reason Necrons do: seemingly limitless numbers + no emotions. Things like the Shadow in the Warp and the Hive Mind are certainly frightening in some ways but they are also liabilities.

   
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Game over, man! Game over!

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Y'know, if the almight God-Emperor can't save me from the Tyranid threat, why shouldn't I sell my soul to Chaos?
   
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Nurglitch wrote:Y'know, if the almight God-Emperor can't save me from the Tyranid threat, why shouldn't I sell my soul to Chaos?
Why even bother rationalizing your defeatism?

   
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Well, after consulting with a bunch of the "ol'hats" at the FLGS last night, our general census was that in old fluff there are several different fleets and that they do compete with each other. Tyranids fight Tyranids to either collect the other's biomass or to collect a source of biomass. While none of us has gone through the new codex, we did discuss the "Hivemind" quote used earlier, which we pulled out.

Basically "the" simply refers to "a" Hivemind. Example: THE Hivemind of Leviathan has a crush on THE Hivemind of Kraken. THE Hivemind of Kraken controls ALL Tyranids under its control.

GW fluff is not a place to go trying to use grammatical analysis. The British as just as bad as any American or Australian when it comes to proper grammar and clarity.

So I would say there are multiple Hiveminds, and while all Tyranids work together, a combined consciousness, there is a driving will, or a "Core" consciousness. Or else all Tyranids would be the same, a Termagaut would be just as brave and enigmatic as a Hive Tyrant which would have the same properties as a Trygon.

In past fluff, the "Hivemind" of Tyranids can be attacked. I wish I could pull out all this info as references, but I will sourfully admit that much of it comes from reading old codices, Black Library books, Lexicanum, and a load of other accumulated information.

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Have you seen how fast humans reproduce? Were like fething rats!

We have 6.5 billion on Earth IRL, and its flying up every year.

They say there are billions upon billions of Tyranids.. humans can out shag any alien!

If you armed every single human over the age of 16 with a las gun i bet there would be a few trillion armed men. I mean, how many planets are the imperium supposed to have? A million?

The fluff says it is cruel to be a human amongst billions.. feth that, if we have 6 billion and rising on earth irl then some of those hive worlds must be sporting a few hundered billion. I bet if they actually had the time to really do a census of every single world humans would probably number about a quadrillion! We could beat them with sticks!

If the imperium of man really put some effort in they could wipe them out, they just arent very organized!

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Actually, I think the fluff dictates that a planet doesn't count as a Hive Planet unless it has upwards of 300 billion human inhabitants.

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I think the only races that have a chance are 'Nids, Orks, Necrons, DE and some form of humans. (not necessarily the Imperium)

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oggers wrote:I think the only races that have a chance are 'Nids, Orks, Necrons, DE and some form of humans. (not necessarily the Imperium)

Maybe some Dark Age of Technology empire that survived Age of Strife and remained undiscovered by the Imperium.

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My guard have never lost to a tyranid army! Let me at 'em coach!

But, the tyranids are only as dangerous as GW makes them to be. The ultramarines first company (100 dudes in terminator armour) broke the back of a tyranid hive fleet. The entire world of gyrphonne IV with millions of skitarri and titans and mechanicus goodness couldnt even make a dent. The tyranids are going to be stopped by the hive mind stubbing his toe and the great howl he releases into the warp shatters the minds of all the synapse creatures, just you watch

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Volkov wrote:My guard have never lost to a tyranid army! Let me at 'em coach!

But, the tyranids are only as dangerous as GW makes them to be. The ultramarines first company (100 dudes in terminator armour) broke the back of a tyranid hive fleet. The entire world of gyrphonne IV with millions of skitarri and titans and mechanicus goodness couldnt even make a dent. The tyranids are going to be stopped by the hive mind stubbing his toe and the great howl he releases into the warp shatters the minds of all the synapse creatures, just you watch

The Ultramarines also had fleet which kept Tyranid ships from their homeworld.If Gyrphonne IV had fleet I think that it would survive.

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Skinnattittar wrote:So I would say there are multiple Hiveminds, and while all Tyranids work together, a combined consciousness, there is a driving will, or a "Core" consciousness.
Depends on what you mean by "core" consciousness.

   
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Manchu wrote:
Skinnattittar wrote:So I would say there are multiple Hiveminds, and while all Tyranids work together, a combined consciousness, there is a driving will, or a "Core" consciousness.
Depends on what you mean by "core" consciousness.
Guiding entity? The things that would be individual from another in a Tyranid consciousness.

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That doesn't seem supported by the Codex. Again, the proper metaphor seems to be one of cells or tissues or organs. Every Tyranid makes up the Hive Mind, even the lesser creatures. When lesser creatures are killed, the Hive Mind (although perhaps in a very limited way) is diminished. When a synapse creature is killed, the Hive Mind is disrupted. But the Hive Mind is not the consciousness of a "queen" (dominatrix, hive tyrant, whatever else) that guides the others.

   
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Okay, but you can still have different bodies, and the Codex, from your quote, does not explicitly state that there is but one Hivemind in all the galaxy. It just talks about what A Hivemind is. I am not trying to play semantics, but we have a clash of fluff, or at least as how I remember things and the wording is ambiguous.

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The Tyranids are basically a human body. Each cell is one Tyranids and they carry out different roles to contribute to one single goal: To keep the "body" going.

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@Skinnattittar: Not arguing that there is only one Hive Mind. Relevant Fifth Edition Codex fluff has already been posted. There may be a clash but it would have to be between new and old fluff (as metaillifan pointed out already) and we all know in who's favor those are settled.

@Zach: Yeah, now you're getting it. Except that there are different bodies: Kraken, Behemoth, etc.

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ZacktheChaosChild wrote:The Tyranids are basically a human body. Each cell is one Tyranids and they carry out different roles to contribute to one single goal: To keep the "body" going.
Substantiated by what? Are you saying all Tyranids in the galaxy are under one hivemind?

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Skinnattittar wrote:
ZacktheChaosChild wrote:The Tyranids are basically a human body. Each cell is one Tyranids and they carry out different roles to contribute to one single goal: To keep the "body" going.
Substantiated by what? Are you saying all Tyranids in the galaxy are under one hivemind?


And the ones outside of it too. Remember, those are just the tips of the tendrils that extend from the main body of the hive fleet.

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metallifan wrote:
Skinnattittar wrote:
ZacktheChaosChild wrote:The Tyranids are basically a human body. Each cell is one Tyranids and they carry out different roles to contribute to one single goal: To keep the "body" going.
Substantiated by what? Are you saying all Tyranids in the galaxy are under one hivemind?


And the ones outside of it too. Remember, those are just the tips of the tendrils that extend from the main body of the hive fleet.
That's if there are others. We don't actually KNOW yet

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If tyranids fight other tyranids then it is apparent that there is more than one Hive Mind. Otherwise, the proximity of one group of tyranids to another would simply result in the merging of the consciousnesses. The only argument against this is that this kind of merging of Hive Minds triggers a "proving duel" between the combining forces to speed up brood evolution by determining which group is the most fit and to quickly reprocess the "loser" into the form of the "winner."

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Manchu wrote:If tyranids fight other tyranids then it is apparent that there is more than one Hive Mind. Otherwise, the proximity of one group of tyranids to another would simply result in the merging of the consciousnesses. The only argument against this is that this kind of merging of Hive Minds triggers a "proving duel" between the combining forces to speed up brood evolution by determining which group is the most fit and to quickly reprocess the "loser" into the form of the "winner."
Or they duke it out and the superior fleet wins, or become so weakened that another force comes in and wipes both out.

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@Skinnattittar: Sure, but that doesn't really address the point of whether there is one Hive Mind or many Hive Minds.

   
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I sounds like there are many Hiveminds. AH! In one of the Ciaphas Cain novels a splinter fleet is coming to the planet. It is inferred in the novel that Hiveminds can be independent, IIRC.

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